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[Moon Elf13]

In my humble opinion, personality and sexuality are not intertwined, and can be very much seperate from one another. Not everything about us as people has to do with our sexual orientation and whether or not a person we deal with is attractive to us or not.
As for sexuality, I don't think there are very clear-cut lines. Its more of a spectrum, and where we fall on that spectrum, in my opinion, depends on a combination of our natural orientation, our general open-mindednes (or lack-there-of), and the depth of our emotions towards an individual (whether male or female).

[jlb524]

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic....but romances are a way for the player to connect further to their PC and define them more, so I support letting people just romance who they want in spite of playing as an elf, a female, a goody goody Paladin, etc.

[Mr.House]

Monica83 wrote...

Carver:Brother don't count
Varric:dwarf.Hetero
Avelin: is more a man than a woman but ok Hetero
Sebastian:DLC.i don't count it

Isabella:BI
Merryl:Bi
Fenris:BI

by the way to much BI and its still laughtable..in a storu prospective considering the character meet eachother only by random factor..

No need to be so rude is just a my opinion house.... Don't like this... You seems a kid that someone broke the toy

Criss chocker: Leave dragon age 2 alone right now!!! :___((

Seb, Carver and Beth count because they are companions, you can't exclude characters because it proves you are wrong.

[Mr.House]

jlb524 wrote...

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic....but romances are a way for the player to connect further to their PC and define them more, so I support letting people just romance who they want in spite of playing as an elf, a female, a goody goody Paladin, etc.

It's straight, thus there is no problem.

[neppakyo]

Easy enough to fix.

1 Bi NPC
1 gay NPC
Rest hetro

And everyone is happy! Well, if alcohol is poured down the throat of some female NPC's, they may make out like in Girls Gone Wild.

[Cutlass Jack]

jlb524 wrote...

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic....but romances are a way for the player to connect further to their PC and define them more, so I support letting people just romance who they want in spite of playing as an elf, a female, a goody goody Paladin, etc.

Exactly this. Nicely put.

[Monica83]

Exclude non romancable character in a thread like this is logic from a my point of wiew but maybe is just me

[Mr.House]

neppakyo wrote...

Easy enough to fix.

1 Bi NPC
1 gay NPC
Rest hetro

And everyone is happy! Well, if alcohol is poured down the throat of some female NPC's, they may make out like in Girls Gone Wild.

People won't be happy if said gay/bi npc is crap and the straight npc is better. Thus having 4 romances for everyone is fine imho.

[slimgrin]

Seems unrealistic to me, having bisexuality as a default option.

[KnightofPhoenix]

jlb524 wrote...

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic.

Yes, and this is something I'd ideally want to change. Perhaps it's difficult to implement with looks, but I'd certainly want it to be there in terms of history, race, beliefs, actions, methods...etc. absolutely.

I am tired of all the PC ego stroking vis-a-vis this and that all companions just line up for the PC to pick like its an open buffet. More tastes for companions and inter-companion romance (or something like Aveline with NPCs, just reduce the amount of killing we have to do). 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 juin 2011 - 03:29 .

[kglaser]

I can see both sides of this:
--On the one hand, I would immediately say that automatic bisexualization of everyone waters down the characters. I am not changing anything much about my companions; it is the main character who undergoes customization in such a game. Therefore, the other characters are more "fixed"...fiddling about with them does not strengthen them...quite the opposite.
--HOWEVER, since I AM role-playing my character, the absence of bisexual romances limits that customization potential, which is a major strike in an RPG.
I dunno.

[Mr.House]

kglaser wrote...

I can see both sides of this:
--On the one hand, I would immediately say that automatic bisexualization of everyone waters down the characters. I am not changing anything much about my companions; it is the main character who undergoes customization in such a game. Therefore, the other characters are more "fixed"...fiddling about with them does not strengthen them...quite the opposite.
--HOWEVER, since I AM role-playing my character, the absence of bisexual romances limits that customization potential, which is a major strike in an RPG.
I dunno.

Your PC would not know said character is bi/straight unless they flirt with you first or you flirt with them first.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic.

Yes, and this is something I'd ideally want to change. Perhaps it's difficult to implement with looks, but I'd certainly want it to be there in terms of history, race, beliefs, actions, methods...etc. absolutely.

I am tired of all the PC ego stroking vis-a-vis this and that all companions just line up for the PC to pick like its an open buffet. More tastes for companions and inter-companion romance (or something like Aveline with NPCs, just reduce the amount of killing we have to do). 

 

Agreed. I want some rejection based off my PC's looks, personality and decisions. 

[jlb524]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic.

Yes, and this is something I'd ideally want to change. Perhaps it's difficult to implement with looks, but I'd certainly want it to be there in terms of history, race, beliefs, actions, methods...etc. absolutely.

I am tired of all the PC ego stroking vis-a-vis this and that all companions just line up for the PC to pick like its an open buffet. More tastes for companions and inter-companion romance (or something like Aveline with NPCs, just reduce the amount of killing we have to do). 

They did this with BG2 (alignment/race restrictions on romances as well as gender).  They've moved away from it ever since, just keeping gender restrictions at first, but now moved away from them in DA2 (I personally hope they continue this).

I don't see the romances as PC ego stroking as I only pursue one in game.  I don't even believe the other potential LIs are in any way interested in my character romantically as I play the game.  However, it's nice to have an option to pursue who I want if I want to do a romantic subplot.

kglaser wrote...

I can see both sides of this:
--On the one hand, I would immediately say that automatic bisexualization of everyone waters down the characters.
I dunno.

How does it water down the characters?

Modifié par jlb524, 04 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

Agreed. I want some rejection based off my PC's looks, personality and decisions. 

Origins could have had that, with decisions, but gifts make everyone stfu.

I am not sure how it could be implemented with looks though. How would the game determine what is an ugly character? Or would it simply define companions tastes (like say they prefer blue eyes and black hair)? But that wouldn't recognzie the possibility of having blue eyes and black hair and still being fugly.

So I can't really see how looks could become a factor at play, at least in the short future.
But decisions, history, race, actions..etc could definitely be. Even specs, why would Alistair romance a blood mage?

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Origins could have had that, with decisions, but gifts make everyone stfu. 

I am not sure how it could be implemented with looks though. How would the game determine what is an ugly character? Or would it simply define companions tastes (like say they prefer blue eyes and black hair)? But that wouldn't recognzie the possibility of having blue eyes and black hair and still being fugly.

So I can't really see how looks could become a factor at play, at least in the short future.
But decisions, history, race, actions..etc could definitely be. Even specs, why would Alistair romance a blood mage?

 

Yeah I loved gifts. XD 

Oh I'm not talking about short term. In the long term it would be nice. 

Alistair is a bad example. I'm pretty sure Ali wouldn't mind romancing a bloodmage as long as she wasn't a evil person. Now Fenris onthe other hand...yeah....

[slimgrin]

They would never apply this principle to the overall character of NPC's...except when it comes to sexuality, which makes this whole approach seem more like something you would see in a dating sim than an rpg.

[kglaser]

jlb524 wrote...

How does it water down the characters?

I suppose it doesn't actually, not from the standpoint that each playthrough is a separate beast and they shouldn't be looked at together, but I can't seem to avoid doing that.  If I play twice with the same LI, but the first time with an opposite-sex romance and the next with a same-sex romance, it gets confused in my head.  Intellectually, I of course know they are two different playthroughs, but for me, it sets up a kind of cognitive dissonance that makes me that much less enamored of the character overall.  I don't know, maybe I'm just irredeemably weird.

[KnightofPhoenix]

jlb524 wrote...
They did this with BG2 (alignment/race restrictions on romances as well as gender).  They've moved away from it ever since,

Well that's a shame imo.

I don't see the romances as PC ego stroking as I only pursue one in game.  I don't even believe the other potential LIs are in any way interested in my character romantically as I play the game.  However, it's nice to have an option to pursue who I want if I want to do a romantic subplot.

But even if you are romancing one, companions still flirt with you or show they are interested. At least that's what I remember in Origins, minus one of the straight LIs. And I remember everyone except Fenris expressing interest in my Hawke. So yea, I feel like all of them are already spreading their arms (and other things) for him.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 juin 2011 - 03:41 .

[TheBlackBaron]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The fact that even straight only romances are open to any PC regardless of their morality, actions, beliefs, how ugly they possibly are, their history, race, etc. is already kind of ridiculous and unrealistic.

Yes, and this is something I'd ideally want to change. Perhaps it's difficult to implement with looks, but I'd certainly want it to be there in terms of history, race, beliefs, actions, methods...etc. absolutely.

I am tired of all the PC ego stroking vis-a-vis this and that all companions just line up for the PC to pick like its an open buffet. More tastes for companions and inter-companion romance (or something like Aveline with NPCs, just reduce the amount of killing we have to do). 

Well said. 

Now, as far as character appearances, well...I don't think that's possible. Sure, you could code in, "NPC A is only an LI if you have slider numbers x, y, and z", but that seems silly just typing it out. 

Basing options on morality, race, etc. are all very viable, and have already been done before with BGII. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 04 juin 2011 - 03:41 .

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Also, I think in this case the gameplay mechanic (romantic conversations) need to be divorced from some kind of obsessive need for the meta-contextual fabric of the story to make sense.

The way they handle character sexuality is very nuanced and internally consistent. There is no freaky five person orgy in this game. You are given the option to romance four characters regardless of who Hawke is. This does not mean that there are four bi-sexual characters in the game though. Again, just because the mechanics goes both ways doesn't mean the characters do.

And even, so... so what? Like, four bi sexual people aren't allowed to hang out? This has never happened in the real world? Have you never heard of the Bohemians?

[marshalleck]

slimgrin wrote...

They would never apply this principle to the overall character of NPC's...except when it comes to sexuality, which makes this whole approach seem more like something you would see in a dating sim than an rpg.

They're just giving their fanbase what they want. Everyone clamors for romances, this is what happens. Bioware should drop the RPG moniker and start making action dating sims.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 juin 2011 - 03:42 .

[jlb524]

Though, if you don't like the Alistiar/Blood Mage or Fenris/Blood Mage romance then just don't do it.

Of course it probably shouldn't happen, but does it matter if someone down the road gets some crazy thrill out of paring Fenris up with a maleficarum?

[Mr.House]

kglaser wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

How does it water down the characters?

I suppose it doesn't actually, not from the standpoint that each playthrough is a separate beast and they shouldn't be looked at together, but I can't seem to avoid doing that.  If I play twice with the same LI, but the first time with an opposite-sex romance and the next with a same-sex romance, it gets confused in my head.  Intellectually, I of course know they are two different playthroughs, but for me, it sets up a kind of cognitive dissonance that makes me that much less enamored of the character overall.  I don't know, maybe I'm just irredeemably weird.

I'm going to say this, and this will make me look like a real ass but I simply don't care anymore. That is your fault, not Bioware/the writers/characters ect, that's your fault. Many people can avoid it so it's not the games fault.

You can call me an ass if you want.

Modifié par Mr.House, 04 juin 2011 - 03:47 .

[Addai]

jlb524 wrote...

Not everyone is bi....

...and this game is chock full of heterosexuality at every turn...really.

Hawke just can't date any of them.  They're not into her.