Hi.
Around the net I read that Cerberus is now Shepard's enemy. Can somebody tell me why? I played all ME2 DLCs and I just can't remember why is that opinion around.
Why is Cerberus an enemy now?
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Devon Criss
, juin 04 2011 12:19
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 12:25
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We don't know yet -- and according to Casey Hudson a couple of months ago, it's the kind of thing that doesn't make sense without context.
So hopefully that means it will click better once we have our hands on ME3, but until then I wouldn't expect a straightforward answer on the issue. (Except the all-but-inevitable 'because BioWare sucks' answers from the usual suspects, but since ExtremeOne seems to have gotten himself stuck in a closet or something, it shouldn't be too bad.)
So hopefully that means it will click better once we have our hands on ME3, but until then I wouldn't expect a straightforward answer on the issue. (Except the all-but-inevitable 'because BioWare sucks' answers from the usual suspects, but since ExtremeOne seems to have gotten himself stuck in a closet or something, it shouldn't be too bad.)
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 12:25
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I think we'll have to wait until the game is released to find out the reasons why.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 12:29
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88mphSlayer wrote...
for the lulz
[The Illusive Man approaches the hologram of a stunned Shepard, his customary tune playing as he retains that expressionless face]
SHEPARD: "We're out here fighting a desperate war for survival and you're switching sides? Why the hell are you doing this?"
ILLUSIVE MAN: "For the lulz."
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 12:31
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I think it's a little odd that they're now a compulsory enemy, especially considering the keep the Base /destroy the Base choice felt like an ally with Cerberus/leave Cerberus option.
Miranda's resignation from Cerberus should you destroy the Base felt like confirmation of that.
Miranda's resignation from Cerberus should you destroy the Base felt like confirmation of that.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 12:41
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I did blow up the collector facility, and took their best operative, Miranda, she "handed" in her resignation, so I think that's enough. Plus I stole the SR2 Normany, even though it was a gift, stupid Indian givers want everything back.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 12:49
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Nothings confirmed but the writings been on the wall. Cerberus was never trustworthy, the games and books give you plenty of examples of Cerberus turning on it's allies. In the great game of Chess, Shepard was a Queen, but even a Queen can be sacrified, especially if you have a pawn in position to take it's place (*cough*Kai Leng*Cough*)
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 01:54
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Nohvarr wrote...
Nothings confirmed but the writings been on the wall. Cerberus was never trustworthy, the games and books give you plenty of examples of Cerberus turning on it's allies. In the great game of Chess, Shepard was a Queen, but even a Queen can be sacrified, especially if you have a pawn in position to take it's place (*cough*Kai Leng*Cough*)
this is assuming Cerberus is even smart
they don't call him "The Incompetant Man" for nothing...
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 01:59
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They've always been the bad guys.
They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.
They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:04
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Someone With Mass wrote...
They've always been the bad guys.
They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.
I seriously doubt that, it's more likely that something has occurred since ME2 which has made them change their stance on what to do with Shepard. If they had always been looking to kill Shepard then why ressurect him?
We can only find out why Cerberus are after Shepard once the game is out.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:10
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JeffZero wrote...
88mphSlayer wrote...
for the lulz
[The Illusive Man approaches the hologram of a stunned Shepard, his customary tune playing as he retains that expressionless face]
SHEPARD: "We're out here fighting a desperate war for survival and you're switching sides? Why the hell are you doing this?"
ILLUSIVE MAN: "For the lulz."
that priceless. i was actually hoping for a chance to get back at cerberus during ME2
. so this will be very fun when we get the chance in ME3
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:11
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They've always been the bad guys.
Right, so Cerberus can't be evil without trying to kill Shepard...If they had always been looking to kill Shepard then why ressurect him?
Also, they had to resurrect Shepard to kill him (since one can't kill a corpse)
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:16
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Devon Criss wrote...
Hi.
Around the net I read that Cerberus is now Shepard's enemy. Can somebody tell me why? I played all ME2 DLCs and I just can't remember why is that opinion around.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:20
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Honestly with all the projects Cerberus has done with old Reaper tech, etc I wouldn't be surprised if TIM and most of the group was indoctrinated.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:26
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Kelanil wrote...
Honestly with all the projects Cerberus has done with old Reaper tech, etc I wouldn't be surprised if TIM and most of the group was indoctrinated.
then why'd they resurrect Shepard to blow up the collectors?
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:28
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Sorry, to clairify. After the whole ME2 campaign. I'm sure they have other research projects going on during and after the events of ME2.88mphSlayer wrote...
Kelanil wrote...
Honestly with all the projects Cerberus has done with old Reaper tech, etc I wouldn't be surprised if TIM and most of the group was indoctrinated.
then why'd they resurrect Shepard to blow up the collectors?
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:31
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Kelanil wrote...
Sorry, to clairify. After the whole ME2 campaign. I'm sure they have other research projects going on during and after the events of ME2.88mphSlayer wrote...
Kelanil wrote...
Honestly with all the projects Cerberus has done with old Reaper tech, etc I wouldn't be surprised if TIM and most of the group was indoctrinated.
then why'd they resurrect Shepard to blow up the collectors?
good point i wouldnt be the least bit surprised either :/
ive never trusted TIM, everything about him just doesnt seem right to me
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:32
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Someone With Mass wrote...
They've always been the bad guys.
They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.
This.
Cerberus = bad. Always has. Is anyone really that surprised that TIM wants Shepard dead after his usefulness is gone?
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 02:57
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Cerberus is the enemy now because bioware set them up as cannonfodder morons in the first game and everyone will have to admit that it took a while before they could will their suspension of disbelief into effect to be able to enjoy a story where some organization that is basically too stupid to use doors is your employer.
And then they resurrect shepard, who should be little more then a cloud of charred dust; whatever, lets roll with it.
I would have liked if TIM would have stayed on shepard's side regardless. After all, Shepard is still the same shepard and still the best bet against the reapers, so the illusive man could provide more intel and dossiers on new teammates, threats and magical stuff to drive the plot. Shepards mistrust of cerberus could be used for once in gameplay; Shepard could suspect a trap and decide to not go somewhere the illusive man tells him to go.
That suspicion might turn out to be true or not and may have further consequences.
But Cerberus is evil now, so TIM decided to not use what little influence he has over shepard to help humanity and consequently cerberus survive by at least trying to provide intel.
TIM would have to have a very good reason to go against shepard. If Shepard can eliminate the reaper threat and/or survives it, cerberus may be the next address to go to.
And if i had to rescue everything that ever lived and someone knowingly interfered with that they better have a good reason. Being indoctrinated is rather cheap, but it works.
I hope they come up with something better and i fear they'll ruin the story by having tim go after shepard because he stole the ship, the personnel and the AI and pissed TIM off.
And then they resurrect shepard, who should be little more then a cloud of charred dust; whatever, lets roll with it.
I would have liked if TIM would have stayed on shepard's side regardless. After all, Shepard is still the same shepard and still the best bet against the reapers, so the illusive man could provide more intel and dossiers on new teammates, threats and magical stuff to drive the plot. Shepards mistrust of cerberus could be used for once in gameplay; Shepard could suspect a trap and decide to not go somewhere the illusive man tells him to go.
That suspicion might turn out to be true or not and may have further consequences.
But Cerberus is evil now, so TIM decided to not use what little influence he has over shepard to help humanity and consequently cerberus survive by at least trying to provide intel.
TIM would have to have a very good reason to go against shepard. If Shepard can eliminate the reaper threat and/or survives it, cerberus may be the next address to go to.
And if i had to rescue everything that ever lived and someone knowingly interfered with that they better have a good reason. Being indoctrinated is rather cheap, but it works.
I hope they come up with something better and i fear they'll ruin the story by having tim go after shepard because he stole the ship, the personnel and the AI and pissed TIM off.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 03:05
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why is cerberus an enemy because the zealous fanatics this game has demanded it.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 03:32
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eye basher wrote...
why is cerberus an enemy because the zealous fanatics this game has demanded it.
Cerberus has been an enemy since the first game. They've always been the enemy, not because people demanded it, but because they just were. The second game they were still the enemy, but one you had to work with for the greater good, in my Shepard's case very reluctantly.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 03:47
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I'm willing to bet that with what happened to TIM during the ME: Evolution prequel comic book series, that artifact that influenced him connected him to the Reapers. Whatever Cerberus are doing now, it's because of them.
That's my theory anyway and I'm sticking to it.
That's my theory anyway and I'm sticking to it.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 03:53
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They were never a real enemy like the Geth, however. Now, they've been moved into that status, and it feels very awkward and clunky. My Shepard started hating Cerberus (because of Akuze and Kahoku), but once he saw how it was run, he gradually came to respect them, even if their experiments with husks and rachni and thorian creepers got out of hand. But WHY did they get out of hand? Oh, right. Because Shepard just /had/ to go investigate and open up the the containment chambers (from the side mission where you actually are looking for Kahoku).
So, some of that isn't Cerberus' fault, but the fault of Shepard who interrupted and DISrupted Cerberus operations.
They ARE a checkered group. Great goals, questionable methods. My Shepard chose to trust the Illusive Man with that base ONLY so he could look for any sort of advantage the base and its technology might hold. If he could have given it to the council or the Alliance, he would have. (Though they would probably argue that sending in ships to the terminus to investigate their new piece of property would start a war. So in that case, they would do nothing at all, and Shepard would have to go back to Cerberus to get something done about it anyway.)
So something better happen during ME3 that breaks my Shepard from Cerberus. There's no other GOOD explanation. Indoctrination just doesn't work here. It's forced, and there's not really a good reason for it. The base can't have indoctrination tech, because it's Collector, not Reaper made. If it WERE able to indoctrinate people, why wasn't Shepard and his/her team indoctrinated?
It doesn't make sense. Something has to happen in ME3.
So, some of that isn't Cerberus' fault, but the fault of Shepard who interrupted and DISrupted Cerberus operations.
They ARE a checkered group. Great goals, questionable methods. My Shepard chose to trust the Illusive Man with that base ONLY so he could look for any sort of advantage the base and its technology might hold. If he could have given it to the council or the Alliance, he would have. (Though they would probably argue that sending in ships to the terminus to investigate their new piece of property would start a war. So in that case, they would do nothing at all, and Shepard would have to go back to Cerberus to get something done about it anyway.)
So something better happen during ME3 that breaks my Shepard from Cerberus. There's no other GOOD explanation. Indoctrination just doesn't work here. It's forced, and there's not really a good reason for it. The base can't have indoctrination tech, because it's Collector, not Reaper made. If it WERE able to indoctrinate people, why wasn't Shepard and his/her team indoctrinated?
It doesn't make sense. Something has to happen in ME3.
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Posté 04 juin 2011 - 04:02
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Devon Criss wrote...
Hi.
Around the net I read that Cerberus is now Shepard's enemy. Can somebody tell me why? I played all ME2 DLCs and I just can't remember why is that opinion around.
Because the Reapers have ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL of Cerberus and are using it to kill Shepard. Seriously, we don't know.
But this is likely so because it wouldn't make sense that the Reapers would just stupidly ignore the ONLY threat to their death march throughout the ENTIRE game.
