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[AngelicMachinery]

Harby obviously assumed direct control of TIM. I will mourn the loss of such a lovely voice.

[Volus Warlord]

Wait, wait, I know:



I did all of my playthroughs as TIM's buddy and now he wants to kill me. Cmon now TIM. Would someone throw away a tool of such power and versatility? NO! It is stupid. There would always be a use for Shepard, even if it were mere PR.

"Hey, I'm gonna pay through the nose to bring this guy back, and now I'm gonna kill him!" Cmon, it makes no sense. TIM, while cold and judgmental, does not seem like the type to simply toss huge investments away. Indoctrination? Stupid and overused. He would not have the capacity to lead Cerberus very long if he were indoctrinated. Egomania? While the such is possible, he doesn't show it in ME2. Zeal? Believable, but only if Shep's and TIM's goals conflict, which given current circumstances they do not. Envy? Never has either TIM or Shepard shown desire for each others' position and role. Rage? If you blew up the base, maybe. If not, why? Security concerns? TIM has killed Cerberus operatives to eliminate security concerns in the past, but killing Shep would be a monstrous jump from a few mad scientists. Other outside influence? Uh, what? Are the Eclipse paying him billions to cut their losses or something?

Basically, TIM being Shep's enemy looks like repeating 2 + 2 = 5 at this point. Some people may buy it if you repeat it enough, but most are just saying what the hell. Also, goodie-two-shoes "Cerberus is evil" nonsense is NOT a good explanation for the conflict between Shep and TIM. For all you know, Shep is evil, lol. We should fight him and have him killed too.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 04 juin 2011 - 04:24 .

[ADLegend21]

It's a front. TIM bought some rookies some kewl armor so they could look elite but they're just canon fodder so the rest of the galaxy can trust Shepard. you'd think the council woulld work with a Cerberus agent in ME3? Now Shepard has an "they're trying to kill me so a I hate them" get out of jail free card so that everyone can trust her and not worry about getting stabbed in the back, although that might happen anyway depending onthe Shepard. I bet we confront him and he goes "how else was the galaxy supposed to trust you?" since he knows how much Shepard means to humanity and everyone else and how stupid it is to work "with" the reapers. He's not an idiot regardless of if you kept the base or not.

[Seboist]

Cerberus is an enemy because not having to fight them would involve actual player choice and apparently that's not what they're going for.

[Siansonea]

Someone With Mass wrote...

They've always been the bad guys.

They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.

This. (Sorry SWM, but I have to agree with you on this.)

Cerberus has ALWAYS been the enemy, and I don't take anything the Illusive Man says in ME2 at face value. Nor, for that matter do I automatically trust the things we were told by Miranda Lawson, Jacob Taylor, Kelly Chambers, or any other Cerberus personnel. Miranda insists that Shepard was brought back "just as he/she was", without a control chip, but I wonder if that's actually true. Working with Cerberus should have been a last resort option in ME2, but Shepard falls in line pretty quickly and pretty much does whatever the Illusive Man tells Shepard to do—even after betraying Shepard TWICE (Horizon, Collector Ship). And yet still Shepard just herp durps along to the Illusive Man's plans. I found that frustratingly out of character for someone who had cleaned up Cerberus' messes on Edolus, Binthu and Nepheron, and especially for someone who was on Akuze and most especially for someone who encountered Corporal Toombs on Ontarom. Not to mention Jack's horrific story. But Shepard just kind of stares blankly and says "yeah, they're bad" or dismisses the subject altogether. CONTROL CHIP!!!!!!

[Volus Warlord]

ADLegend21 wrote...

It's a front. TIM bought some rookies some kewl armor so they could look elite but they're just canon fodder so the rest of the galaxy can trust Shepard. you'd think the council woulld work with a Cerberus agent in ME3? Now Shepard has an "they're trying to kill me so a I hate them" get out of jail free card so that everyone can trust her and not worry about getting stabbed in the back, although that might happen anyway depending onthe Shepard. I bet we confront him and he goes "how else was the galaxy supposed to trust you?" since he knows how much Shepard means to humanity and everyone else and how stupid it is to work "with" the reapers. He's not an idiot regardless of if you kept the base or not.

I seriously doubt Shepard/Cerberus relations would be a get out of jail free for the Alliance. "Well, you blew up a civilized planet, but Cerberus hates you so you're obviously a good guy!" Cmon..

Though that is an interesting idea. Probably the best I've seen so far. I like it. TIM attacks you to make it readily apparent to the galaxy that he and you have cut relations, but are actually helping one another out with long term goals-that is TIM, the cunning and manipulative frenemy. But I doubt Bioware will do that. Good idea.

[Yeti13]

most likely, it's because Cerberus are idiots and keep reaper artifacts in their desks

[AngelicMachinery]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Wait, wait, I know:

I did all of my playthroughs as TIM's buddy and now he wants to kill me. Cmon now TIM. Would someone throw away a tool of such power and versatility? NO! It is stupid. There would always be a use for Shepard, even if it were mere PR.

"Hey, I'm gonna pay through the nose to bring this guy back, and now I'm gonna kill him!" Cmon, it makes no sense. TIM, while cold and judgmental, does not seem like the type to simply toss huge investments away. Indoctrination? Stupid and overused. He would not have the capacity to lead Cerberus very long if he were indoctrinated. Egomania? While the such is possible, he doesn't show it in ME2. Zeal? Believable, but only if Shep's and TIM's goals conflict, which given current circumstances they do not. Envy? Never has either TIM or Shepard shown desire for each others' position and role. Rage? If you blew up the base, maybe. If not, why? Security concerns? TIM has killed Cerberus operatives to eliminate security concerns in the past, but killing Shep would be a monstrous jump from a few mad scientists. Other outside influence? Uh, what? Are the Eclipse paying him billions to cut their losses or something?

Basically, TIM being Shep's enemy looks like repeating 2 + 2 = 5 at this point. Some people may buy it if you repeat it enough, but most are just saying what the hell. Also, goodie-two-shoes "Cerberus is evil" nonsense is NOT a good explanation for the conflict between Shep and TIM. For all you know, Shep is evil, lol. We should fight him and have him killed too.

Shepard was suppose to have an expiration date built in.  TIM had one reason for bringing Shephard back,  it wasn't for saving colonies, it was for that sweet sweet reaper tech.  Now that he got what he wanted/or you blew up the base Shepard being around is just standing in his way of a humanity unified under him.  He wants to be the figure head,  not some marine who should have fallen to pieces after the Suicide Mission.  

TLDR:  Shepard was remade for a purpose,  now that it's over she can go die in a hole.

[Volus Warlord]

AngelicMachinery wrote...


Shepard was suppose to have an expiration date built in.  TIM had one reason for bringing Shephard back,  it wasn't for saving colonies, it was for that sweet sweet reaper tech.  Now that he got what he wanted/or you blew up the base Shepard being around is just standing in his way of a humanity unified under him.  He wants to be the figure head,  not some marine who should have fallen to pieces after the Suicide Mission.  

TLDR:  Shepard was remade for a purpose,  now that it's over she can go die in a hole.

Still, that doesn't make too much sense. Shepard is not as "expendable" as some of these other associates. Shepard cost a lot more to get and is capable of a whole lot more. TIM would not have to look very far to find a place for Shepard to get things done for him and do them well. Yeah, TIM does got the Reaper tech. Yeah, that was the primary intention of bringing Shepard back. Still, it's nonsense.  Kill a war hero and villianize his organization in the eyes of all the sponsors? That would hit TIM hard in more ways than one. He would get less money and less willing to help him.  All things considered, it would not be worth it for TIM to abadon Shep and try to kill him-huge buy in, huge cost out. It would not be intelligent handling of his assests, both current and future.

tl;dr All things considered it seems to be a poor and rather inconsistant choice on TIM's part

[Mr. Gogeta34]

With the Earth taken and Cerberus supposedly representing humanity... killing (or atleast trying to kill) Shepard to buy the Earth time seems like something Cerberus would try if they could make such a deal.

[ladyvader]

Badpie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

They've always been the bad guys.

They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.

This.

Cerberus = bad.  Always has.  Is anyone really that surprised that TIM wants Shepard dead after his usefulness is gone?

No, I don't.  I don't trust Cerberus.  I think TIM would be very angry with Shepard when the Normandy SR-2 is handed over to the Alliance.  How much infomration would be stored aboard the ships computers and don't for EDI.  

[Aedan_Cousland]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

I think it's a little odd that they're now a compulsory enemy, especially considering the keep the Base /destroy the Base choice felt like an ally with Cerberus/leave Cerberus option.

Miranda's resignation from Cerberus should you destroy the Base felt like confirmation of that.

No more odd than making them a compulsory ally at the start of ME2.

[lovgreno]

Cerberus was never realy your ally or friend and even when you had TIMmy as your boss he even admitted that he and his underlings couldn't be trusted.

[Labrev]

I'm thinking that Cerberus is going to do - *something* - that Shepard will naturally have some major issues with, and so he'll either try to intervene or Cerby will take a pre-emptive strike against him.

[CroGamer002]

It is still not known is Illusive Man hunting Shepard.

Only Cerberus is confirmed to hunt Shepard.


http://social.biowar...5/index/7388679

Modifié par Mesina2, 04 juin 2011 - 06:15 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

Mesina2 wrote...

It is still not known is Illusive Man hunting Shepard.

Only Cerberus is confirmed to hunt Shepard.

That's an interesting take on it, a Cerberus internal power struggle with the Illusive Man being toppled and replaced by a bigger ****.

[ladyvader]

Mesina2 wrote...

It is still not known is Illusive Man hunting Shepard.

Only Cerberus is confirmed to hunt Shepard.


http://social.biowar...5/index/7388679

Is there really a difference?  Unless one of the cells went rogue. 

[88mphSlayer]

Kelanil wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Kelanil wrote...

Honestly with all the projects Cerberus has done with old Reaper tech, etc I wouldn't be surprised if TIM and most of the group was indoctrinated.

then why'd they resurrect Shepard to blow up the collectors?

Sorry, to clairify.  After the whole ME2 campaign.  I'm sure they have other research projects going on during and after the events of ME2. 

and why would TIM send humans to study reaper tech and get indoctrinated and then spread indoctrination instead of using robots?

for teh lulz

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 04 juin 2011 - 06:44 .

[Dave of Canada]

Because the majority of people hate Cerberus (especially shown on these boards where it's paragon or gtfo), rather than keep them as allies they're making them villains for the large majority to enjoy themselves.

[kaiki01]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Because the majority of people hate Cerberus (especially shown on these boards where it's paragon or gtfo), rather than keep them as allies they're making them villains for the large majority to enjoy themselves.

They have always been villains >_>

[Bad King]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

They've always been the bad guys.

If they had always been looking to kill Shepard then why ressurect him?

Right, so Cerberus can't be evil without trying to kill Shepard...
Also, they had to resurrect Shepard to kill him (since one can't kill a corpse)

I assumed that when he said 'the bad guys' he meant an enemy of Shepard. Whether Cerberus is evil or not has nothing to do with the topic.