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[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Because the majority of people hate Cerberus (especially shown on these boards where it's paragon or gtfo), rather than keep them as allies they're making them villains for the large majority to enjoy themselves.

As Lorik Quin would say, Indeed.

[Bad King]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Because the majority of people hate Cerberus (especially shown on these boards where it's paragon or gtfo), rather than keep them as allies they're making them villains for the large majority to enjoy themselves.

Or it simply makes for more interesting gameplay- rather than constantly fighting husks we get to fight commandos. Kewl!

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

They have always been villains >_>

No they haven't. In ME1 they were a minor enemy who you had virtually no interaction with other than shooting a few mooks. In ME2 they were the heroe's benefactor.

True,ME1 Cerberus wasn't even anything special. They were just another Exogeni and Binary Helix.

[Dave of Canada]

Bad King wrote...


Or it simply makes for more interesting gameplay- rather than constantly fighting husks we get to fight commandos. Kewl!

The Blue Suns / Eclipse / Blood Pack would assist us greatly during this ordeal! Cerberus need not be involved!

[N3phtys]

why Cerberus becomes a new enemy?
easy.

After Arrival Bioware saw how you can easily use human enemies with brains as deadly dangers to sheppard.
And because every other human sees sheppard as a demigod, we now have to fight cerberus.


just think about it... we players got to strong. hundreds of krogans would not be able to kill Sheppard. You need shock troopers and enemies with heavy weapons and out-of-the-box-thinking about combat.
and we had alliance soldiers, asari commandos, krogan battlemasters, geth collosi; even Spectres against us. They all died.
So we use the only remaining group as enemies


maybe TIM just wants to test Sheppard... or he´s a future love interest for Sheppard and the entire thing is all about jealousy

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bad King wrote...


Or it simply makes for more interesting gameplay- rather than constantly fighting husks we get to fight commandos. Kewl!

The Blue Suns / Eclipse / Blood Pack would assist us greatly during this ordeal! Cerberus need not be involved!

Or indoctrinated Alliance or Turian military.

[Bluko]

Badpie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

They've always been the bad guys.

They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.

This.

Cerberus = bad.  Always has.  Is anyone really that surprised that TIM wants Shepard dead after his usefulness is gone?

Yay! Some people get it.

Also I'm pretty sure Cerberus has done something that puts them at odds with Shepard. I'm pretty sure I know what that is to, though I will have to wait and see to know for sure. Not too hard to guess either, if you have some attention to detail, much like it wasn't hard to guess Ashley/Kaidan were Spectres.

Modifié par Bluko, 04 juin 2011 - 07:30 .

[Barquiel]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Because the majority of people hate Cerberus (especially shown on these boards where it's paragon or gtfo), rather than keep them as allies they're making them villains for the large majority to enjoy themselves.

The writers took some random poll on BSN...they found out that the majority of people hate racist terrorists...they made them villains in ME3.

Yeah, I am sure that's how the devs decide what story they're going to write.

Modifié par Barquiel, 04 juin 2011 - 07:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

Why would I want to join up with some lame pro-human paramilitary group, which I'd imagine can contribute with very little when it comes to large scale battles with enormous dreadnoughts of the ancient machine race, when I can just call for help from entire races?

They're beyond useless in ME3. More like a liability.

[paptschik]

Barquiel wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Because the majority of people hate Cerberus (especially shown on these boards where it's paragon or gtfo), rather than keep them as allies they're making them villains for the large majority to enjoy themselves.

The writers took some random poll on BSN...they found out that the majority of people hate racist terrorists...they made them villains in ME3.

Yeah, I am sure that's how the devs decide what story they're going to write.

That was quite the surprise for everyone.

Seriously though...I think it had to at least partly ALWAYS been the plan to make Cerberus a villain. I mean...yeah, we worked with them in ME2, but even in ME2 it felt like "working with the bad guys for the sake of saving the universe"....ME2 felt less like Shepard and his friendly benefactors and more like the Fantastic Four accepting help from Dr. Doom in order the stop Galactus. Or something.
And then we have the books too and the books worked REALLY hard on making sure people HATE Cerberus (especially Kai freaking Leng!). There were PARTS of Cerberus in the games they wrote in a way to make them seem "good", likeable etc....mostly ME2 crewmembers that seemed to either not approve of what Cerberus does but don't see much of an alternative or crewmembers that are entirely naive or in total denial about it.
But generally...yeah, couldn't have been more obvious that Cerberus was meant to be the antagonist.

[An Irate Hobo]

Seboist wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bad King wrote...


Or it simply makes for more interesting gameplay- rather than constantly fighting husks we get to fight commandos. Kewl!

The Blue Suns / Eclipse / Blood Pack would assist us greatly during this ordeal! Cerberus need not be involved!

Or indoctrinated Alliance or Turian military.

I think it would make sense if you fought Batarians as cannon fodder.

Harbinger: (To Batarian Hegemony) So guys.... heard Commander Shepard killed 300,000 of you guys. U mad?

Batarian Hegemony: Just a little so were probably going to have to declare war on humanity.

Harbinger; Yeah well me and my homies are going to wipe out all life in the galaxy starting with Earth, how bout you give us a hand and we let your species live, you can have all our indoctrinated as slaves when we leave and you get to kick Shepard's ass.  Whaddya say.

BH: Well I don't know, how do we know you won't just kill us as well?

Harbinger: Come ooooooon.

BH: Well you persuaded me, let's go get em.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Turning Cerberus into antagonist just seems like a wasted story potential. If this is the third and last part. Grant us the ability to destroy OR work with them again (either willingly or just to get more on your side).

[Eshaye]

Kelanil wrote...

Honestly with all the projects Cerberus has done with old Reaper tech, etc I wouldn't be surprised if TIM and most of the group was indoctrinated.

Curently reading the TIM comic, and yeah... It's possible he is. And if not, to me he's the Mass Effect equivalent of Lex Luthor. He sincerely believes everything he does is for the best of mankind, to protect Earth from aliens and other threats while organising all kinds of crazy and disturbing experiments in the name of finding ways to protect themselves and Earth. Trying to convince the world's best hero to work for them and when things don't go as he plans try to destroy this hero. 

Yep that's how this is going down... 

edit: Whoa whoa, they didn't MAKE Cerberus a villain just for ME3 they were always were. It's not because Shepard works with them in ME2 that it makes them 'good' or excuses any of the horrific things they are responsible for... EVEN if TIM did help out Shepard in ME3 again I seriously doubt he'd get the mantle of hero for it. If the Alliance ever get theirs hands on him he gets prison for life or worse. He's responsible for various crimes against humanity, while trying to save it.. The irony might be lost on him... 

Modifié par Eshaye, 04 juin 2011 - 07:54 .

[Someone With Mass]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Large-scale battles are exactly what we DON'T want, actually. We saw how well that worked at the battle of the Citadel

When you say "we", I assume you mean yourself.

One of many goals in ME3 is to unite the galaxy against the Reapers. How can that not end with a large space battle?

Especially when one of the articles about ME3 describes a scene where the Normandy and a huge fleet are dropping out of FTL near a relay.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 04 juin 2011 - 07:53 .

[Seboist]

An Irate Hobo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Bad King wrote...


Or it simply makes for more interesting gameplay- rather than constantly fighting husks we get to fight commandos. Kewl!

The Blue Suns / Eclipse / Blood Pack would assist us greatly during this ordeal! Cerberus need not be involved!

Or indoctrinated Alliance or Turian military.

I think it would make sense if you fought Batarians as cannon fodder.

Harbinger: (To Batarian Hegemony) So guys.... heard Commander Shepard killed 300,000 of you guys. U mad?

Batarian Hegemony: Just a little so were probably going to have to declare war on humanity.

Harbinger; Yeah well me and my homies are going to wipe out all life in the galaxy starting with Earth, how bout you give us a hand and we let your species live, you can have all our indoctrinated as slaves when we leave and you get to kick Shepard's ass.  Whaddya say.

BH: Well I don't know, how do we know you won't just kill us as well?

Harbinger: Come ooooooon.

BH: Well you persuaded me, let's go get em.

I was kinda expecting the Batarians to be the Blue Suns/Blood Pack/Eclipse replacement before we heard the news of the Cerberus railroading.

[Eshaye]

ladyvader wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

They've always been the bad guys.

They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.

This.

Cerberus = bad.  Always has.  Is anyone really that surprised that TIM wants Shepard dead after his usefulness is gone?

No, I don't.  I don't trust Cerberus.  I think TIM would be very angry with Shepard when the Normandy SR-2 is handed over to the Alliance.  How much infomration would be stored aboard the ships computers and don't for EDI.  

Thank you. Yes TIM kills whoever isn't helping him anymore and knows too much. This is made really, really clear in the novels where even the most loyal Cerberus opreratives (Kai Leng) are always expecting TIM to kill them for failing missions... He isn't a good guy, never was. 

Also TIM WILL spend most of his money for a project such as Shepard and the Normandy and is willing to see it all destroyed after IF he gets everything he needs from them. His purpose is higher then whatever resources, people he's invested in. Everyone and everything is disposable as long as he gets what he needs from them and is one step closer to the Reapers. We are made to believe he's trying to destroy them, but maybe that's not entirely true either. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 04 juin 2011 - 08:04 .

[Seboist]

Eshaye wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

They've always been the bad guys.

They're just trying to convince everyone that they have some glorious and righteous cause.

This.

Cerberus = bad.  Always has.  Is anyone really that surprised that TIM wants Shepard dead after his usefulness is gone?

No, I don't.  I don't trust Cerberus.  I think TIM would be very angry with Shepard when the Normandy SR-2 is handed over to the Alliance.  How much infomration would be stored aboard the ships computers and don't for EDI.  

Thank you. Yes TIM kills whoever isn't helping him anymore and knows too much. This is made really, really clear in the novels where even the most loyal Cerberus opreratives (Kai Leng) are always expecting TIM to kill them for failing missions... He isn't a good guy, never was. 

False, he saved humanity from the Collectors.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...
False, he saved humanity from the Collectors.

Eh, no. Shepard did.

TIM didn't do jack ****. 

[Eshaye]

Seboist wrote...
False, he saved humanity from the Collectors.

Because it fits his agenda, or fits his utlimate goal whether it was to actually save humans, or to make Shepard all happy they saved people while he ends up with Reaper tech, which he doesn't anyway... 

[kaiki01]

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

kaiki01 wrote...

They have always been villains >_>

No they haven't. In ME1 they were a minor enemy who you had virtually no interaction with other than shooting a few mooks. In ME2 they were the heroe's benefactor.

True,ME1 Cerberus wasn't even anything special. They were just another Exogeni and Binary Helix.

define:villain

A person guilty or capable of a crime or wickedness
The person or thing responsible for specified trouble, harm, or damage- the industrialized nations are the real environmental villains(in a play or novel) A character whose evil actions or motives are important to the plot
[/list]# 1 - Check, Cerberus is guilty or capable of both in ME1 & ME2
#2 - Check, Cerberus assasinated Adminarl Kohaku, conducted immoral experiments, attacked the Migrant Fleet, etc
#3 - Check, see TIM.

Yep, Cerberus fits the definition of being a villain

Modifié par kaiki01, 04 juin 2011 - 08:13 .