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[MassEffect762]

I'm sure it has to do with indoctrination otherwise it's probably "special".

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...
False, he saved humanity from the Collectors.

Eh, no. Shepard did.

TIM didn't do jack ****. 

yeah Reviving someone, giving them access to the most advanced warhship, armor, and guns in the galaxy and pointing them in the direction of the most competent soldiers in the galaxy to save said galaxy is Jack****.

[gosimmons]

I had a theory that TIM was only after the collector base, not in stopping the reapers, but I don't know how that works. Why spend billions to help stop them when you planned to work with them?

[Someone With Mass]

He personally didn't do anything beyond looking up dossiers and made some investments.

Don't try to make him sound like the hero he isn't.

[Rekkampum]

MassEffect762 wrote...

I'm sure it has to do with indoctrination otherwise it's probably "special".

For those who were still with Cerberus in ME2, I find this might be the most likely explanation. Hopefully though, it's more complex.

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

He personally didn't do anything beyond looking up dossiers and made some investments.

Don't try to make him sound like the hero he isn't.

Not saying he's a hero, but he damn sure did more than the Allaince and council.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Being a hero doesn't just mean shooting people with a gun.

Heros don't conduct brutal experiments on people either.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Sure they do if they have good enough reasons.

Right. 

TIM doesn't.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Yes he does. He has an entire civilization and species to look out for. No sacrifice is too great. The price is reasonable.

Well, he fails horribly at that, so he can might as well hand over the responsibility to someone that's competent enough to carry it out.

[vanslyke85]

There has to be something that TIM has planned that isn't exactly to do with the Reapers. Otherwise why would there still be humans following him and fighting against Shep unless they knew something we didn't. It would be all mechs.

[Someone With Mass]

He could just be lying to them to make them believe in a grand goal that doesn't exist. Wouldn't be the first time.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

They were never the good guys and to me they were never that grey to begin with. All TIM ever wanted was to have the Collector Base sure to help stop the Reapers but he really wanted it so he could force his views onto the galaxy to put himself as a god. You see it in his smile after Shepard gives him the base that all he wants to do is evil with it.

My Paragon Shepard will end him when the time comes, in the middle of the Reaper invasion they're wasting time and resourses trying to kill Shepard and he will pay for the lives that he will un-doubtably end in his search for Shepard.

[Seboist]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

They were never the good guys and to me they were never that grey to begin with. All TIM ever wanted was to have the Collector Base sure to help stop the Reapers but he really wanted it so he could force his views onto the galaxy to put himself as a god. You see it in his smile after Shepard gives him the base that all he wants to do is evil with it.

My Paragon Shepard will end him when the time comes, in the middle of the Reaper invasion they're wasting time and resourses trying to kill Shepard and he will pay for the lives that he will un-doubtably end in his search for Shepard.

TIM never knew the Collector base could be captured intact until the very end when EDI informed him.

[kaiki01]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Heros don't conduct brutal experiments on people either.

Sure they do if they have good enough reasons.

No they don't. Stop confusing villain with hero. Please present your definition for hero & villain. They seem to deviate from the standard definitions.

[ImmortalWarrior]

vanslyke85 wrote...

There has to be something that TIM has planned that isn't exactly to do with the Reapers. Otherwise why would there still be humans following him and fighting against Shep unless they knew something we didn't. It would be all mechs.

There doesn't have to be anything that TIM has planned. People can just be blind, ignorant of all the facts, or just plain stupid. Take Osama and Al Quaeda for example. Clearly Osama had something important planned which is why so many people followed him. Clearly, Hitler something important planned which is why so many people followed him. Clearly, Saddam Hussein had something important planned which is why so many people followed him.

Otherwise why would there still be humans following *insert any random jackass/tyrant* and fighting against *insert their opponent* unless they knew something we didn't.

Saphra obviously would follow TIM because he has his facts straight.

The point I'm trying to make is, regardless of the *evil* group, they can always find people to follow them because everyone has different opinions on what is right and what is wrong. For some people, the end justifies the means, no matter the cost.

[Eshaye]

kylecouch wrote...

Except that books level of canon is ambiguous at best. Since it's written from the perspective of Udina being chosen as the Councilor. Also since if Anderson was chosen...he would never resign the post to help Khale destroy Cerberus. Drew said this himself...that book is only canon for people who picked Udina.

They never specify in the book what Anderson's position is, we just know he works at the citadel and has to attend a lot of meetings. I picked Anderson to be councilor and while reading the books I didn't get the impression he wasn't councilor.. In ME2 Udina and Anderson's jobs are pretty interchangeable. 

I'd like to see that quote from Drew because why write novels at all if they are not canon? As if picking ANY choice in the ME (or DA) universe actually matters for the over arching story, please. Casey Hudson said recently the choices are there mostly for flavor. Sure some of your choices impact how the story progresses a bit but the REALLY important stuff NEVER deviates. I would be extremely surprised if nothing from the books carry over to ME3, if anything the novels should be there to provide deeper context to what's going on. Like the first novel provided background for Saren and Anderson as characters. 

TIM did not start out as a bad guy, in fact he started out as someone who wanted to defend humanity and he did it similarly to Shepard. However the road to hell is paved with good intentions and TIM has completely gone there. You can have sympathetic villains, in fact the best villains usually are those you can understand and sympathize with. 

Anyway a thought has occured to me while mulling this over, it's quite possible Cerberus isn't out to kill but to capture Shepard. What for? Not sure but to support the claim that TIM wouldn't want to kill Shep that's another theory I find plausible. 

[onelifecrisis]

JeffZero wrote...

according to Casey Hudson a couple of months ago, it's the kind of thing that doesn't make sense without context

Translation: it's the kind of thing that doesn't make sense at all.