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[Seboist]

lovgreno wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Quole wrote...

Cerberus was always an enemy, the same way protoss was always OP.

No they weren't. They were an optional minor opponent that showed up on two worlds in ME1 and were an ally in ME2.

TIMmy, Miranda and Jacob all tell Shepard that he/she can not expect anything from Failberus. This is confirmed when Cerberus have the Normandy bugged and withold important information from Shepard. There is a very small step from this backstabbing in ME2 to open hostility in ME3. I think most of us saw it coming realy.

So? Anderson and the Council witheld important information from Shepard back in ME1.

[lovgreno]

Seboist wrote...

So? Anderson and the Council witheld important information from Shepard back in ME1.

I didn't say the Alliance and the Council was always a certain ally of Shepard. Considering the Arrival DLC and Shepard being Failberus sucker in ME2 it would have been understandable if they were the enemy instead of Cerberus. But they didn't choose hostility against Shepard while Cerberus did even if things could have been the other way around.

Perhaps it would have made a better story if we had the option to have Cerberus as a ally in ME2. But the developers chose to not write the story like that. Whatever their reason was it is their story.

[Ieldra]

Why is Cerberus the enemy now? I believe they want to give us something to hate. It is as it always has been. Cerberus' evil - I'll leave the question of its necessity open for now - has always been comprehensible and small-scale, the thing you can intuitively connect to and react with the appropriate moral outrage, justified or not. The Reapers are too big for that. They're beyond the scale of human intuition and as such, don't evoke any particular emotional response. They're too big for hate, if anything, they evoke fear.

Cerberus, they're the ME universe's whipping boy for those small-minded Paragons who won't feel satisfied without some easily comprehensible evil to hate, for those who need to turn their moral outrage into hate, and never stop to think about it - whether from unwillingness or inability - and realize that that easily comprehensible evil doesn't look quite as bad compared with the real threat, the Reapers. With Cerberus as an enemy, we can forego the necessity to rise above our fear and confront a hostile god-like power as we should, but can instead continue to deal with the familiar, never seeing the need to question our intuitive morality.

[KevShep]

I really dont see why people are having a hard time understanding the hole Cerberus and Reaper thing.

1 Cerberus is all about humanity
2 Reapers really only care about humanity (Omaga virus-kills all but humans)

1 Cerberus lives by the moto 'the ends justify the means".
2 Reapers live by the same moto. (they kill off everyone every 50 thousand years...ends justify the means!)

1 Cerberus is trying to make a hybrid (or PERFECT a hybrid) by using a human with a VI to make it a human AI. (Project Overlord)
2 Reapers them selves are HYBRIDS....... but something is wrong with them(other wise they would not be looking for something every 50 thousand years)

1 Cerberus is really shady like there holding something BIG from the player.
2 Reapers are also really shady.

1 Cerberus base...Shepards scars are a yellow orange color ...weird!
2 Reaper base...genetic goo being puped into the HUMAN reaper is the same yellow orange color...ALSO...when Harbringer takes control of a collecter yellow orange color scars ingulf them too...weird!

Is any one really not notice those things and see that there IS a connection there!

[KevShep]

My guess is that the reapers are ancant humans who lost there human form by becoming a human AI...but somthing happand and it is not what they wanted so they have to recreate there dead race (humans) through evolution (witch takes millions of years) to fix there problem (Cerberus) and becaome the ultimate life form both organic and synthetic hybrid...We know this because it says there hybrids of both but....all you see is synthetic in the reaper....where is the organic part?...Its DEAD! The clue is in project overlord...there having a problem connecting a human to a synthetic(trying to make a hybrid or... trying to make it work) This is what happend to the reapers!

[Dean_the_Young]

lovgreno wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Quole wrote...

Cerberus was always an enemy, the same way protoss was always OP.

No they weren't. They were an optional minor opponent that showed up on two worlds in ME1 and were an ally in ME2.

TIMmy, Miranda and Jacob all tell Shepard that he/she can not expect anything from Failberus.

This is pretty farcical on the face of it, since 'not expect anything' would rather invalidate half of the game, a third of Shepard's team, and most of Shepard's primary means of actually fighting the Collectors.

[Eshaye]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Why is Cerberus the enemy now? I believe they want to give us something to hate. It is as it always has been. Cerberus' evil - I'll leave the question of its necessity open for now - has always been comprehensible and small-scale, the thing you can intuitively connect to and react with the appropriate moral outrage, justified or not. The Reapers are too big for that. They're beyond the scale of human intuition and as such, don't evoke any particular emotional response. They're too big for hate, if anything, they evoke fear.

Cerberus, they're the ME universe's whipping boy for those small-minded Paragons who won't feel satisfied without some easily comprehensible evil to hate, for those who need to turn their moral outrage into hate, and never stop to think about it - whether from unwillingness or inability - and realize that that easily comprehensible evil doesn't look quite as bad compared with the real threat, the Reapers. With Cerberus as an enemy, we can forego the necessity to rise above our fear and confront a hostile god-like power as we should, but can instead continue to deal with the familiar, never seeing the need to question our intuitive morality.

I'm sorry but you're really off base and you're about to find out why either in a few weeks or months. (Days even?) 

KevShep wrote...

I really dont see why people are having a hard time understanding the hole Cerberus and Reaper thing.

1 Cerberus is all about humanity
2 Reapers really only care about humanity (Omaga virus-kills all but humans)

1 Cerberus lives by the moto 'the ends justify the means".
2 Reapers live by the same moto. (they kill off everyone every 50 thousand years...ends justify the means!) 

1 Cerberus is trying to make a hybrid (or PERFECT a hybrid) by using a human with a VI to make it a human AI. (Project Overlord)
2 Reapers them selves are HYBRIDS....... but something is wrong with them(other wise they would not be looking for something every 50 thousand years)

1 Cerberus is really shady like there holding something BIG from the player.
2 Reapers are also really shady. 

1 Cerberus base...Shepards scars are a yellow orange color ...weird!
2 Reaper base...genetic goo being puped into the HUMAN reaper is the same yellow orange color...ALSO...when Harbringer takes control of a collecter yellow orange color scars ingulf them too...weird!

Is any one really not notice those things and see that there IS a connection there!

Somebody give this guy a cookie! 

Modifié par Eshaye, 06 juin 2011 - 02:58 .

[DarkSeraphym]

KevShep wrote...

I really dont see why people are having a hard time understanding the hole Cerberus and Reaper thing.

1 Cerberus is all about humanity
2 Reapers really only care about humanity (Omaga virus-kills all but humans)

You have simplified their "similar interests" way too much. They care for different reasons. Cerberus wants to promote the self-reliance and dominance of humanity throughout the galaxy. The Reapers want the opposite as they are only interested in their own dominance. Really, I don't see how similar these interests really are once you set them out like that.

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus lives by the moto 'the ends justify the means".
2 Reapers live by the same moto. (they kill off everyone every 50 thousand years...ends justify the means!)

No offense, but I do not see the correlation here as you've once again simplified it. The **** Party under the leadership of Adolf Hitler would have agreed with the sentiment "the ends justify themeans" as would the Communists under the leadership of Joseph Stalin in Soviet Russia, a man who was so paranoid about a conspiracy against his power that he advocated the purging of his political opponents (a number that some historians believe exceeds the amount of people killed under Hitler). Yet, even though these two men agreed on this sentiment, they were bitter enemies.

Why exactly does an agreement upon a single ideal between two parties equate to the idea that they must be working together? Yes, it certainly helps when you can agree upon something with your allies, but this ideal is so minute that I do not think you could build a strong alliance out of that single factor alone.

KevShep wrote...


1 Cerberus is trying to make a hybrid (or PERFECT a hybrid) by using a human with a VI to make it a human AI. (Project Overlord)
2 Reapers them selves are HYBRIDS....... but something is wrong with them(other wise they would not be looking for something every 50 thousand years)

Once again, you have really simplified this to fit your needs. Cerberus was indeed attempting to make a human AI by interfacing it with a VI and a human being. However, the only purpose they had in wanting to do so was because Cerberus discovered the flaw in the logical processes of the Heretic Geth. By interfacing a human being with a program, they were hoping to create a "face" for that program that the Heretic Geth would worship and thus follow.

The Reapers, on the other hand, are interested in "breeding" by making more of themselves through this strange process of hybridization. When comparing actions, please consider the intents behind the actions as well. Sometimes, the intent behind the same action can make the difference between a hero and a villain.

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus is really shady like there holding something BIG from the player.
2 Reapers are also really shady.

And? For years, my parents were acting very shady when I was a child because they neglected to tell me a lot of important stuff about the world. Likewise, the United States government is "really shady" because it certainly doesn't tell a lot of its citizens the whole story when it comes to a lot of stuff. If this is the case, why are my parents not working for the government given the logic you were attempting to use in this comparison?

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus base...Shepards scars are a yellow orange color ...weird!
2 Reaper base...genetic goo being puped into the HUMAN reaper is the same yellow orange color...ALSO...when Harbringer takes control of a collecter yellow orange color scars ingulf them too...weird!

You are really grabbing for straws here with a kind of logical analysis that is getting too dangerously close into the same processes that conspiracy theorists use for their arguments. If you would like an idea of just how ridiculous this kind of reasoning can get, my eyes are the exact same shade of blue that is at the top and bottom of the North Korean flag. Thus, it would be logical to assume that because my eyes are the same color as that flag, there must be a connection between me and North Korea. I live in the United States and have never stepped foot in North Korea. See how ridiculous this is?

I don't think there is any kind of importance behind the color of Shepard's scars short of the aesthetic purpose of making your character look more Renegade or Paragon. If there were some kind of importance that we as players were supposed to identify, why would BioWare allow for Paragons to eliminate them over time or allow for players to simply skip them altogether with a 50K upgrade?

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 06 juin 2011 - 04:00 .

[Dave of Canada]

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus is all about humanity
2 Reapers really only care about humanity (Omaga virus-kills all but humans)

Cerberus is about empowering humanity in the galaxy, not melting them down because it's funny. Why else would they stop the Human Reaper's construction? Why would they be against the Reapers and then suddenly decide "These guys are pretty cool"? 

1 Cerberus lives by the moto 'the ends justify the means".
2 Reapers live by the same moto. (they kill off everyone every 50 thousand years...ends justify the means!)

Except that isn't the Reaper moto, the Reaper moto is that they are too complex for us to understand. That is a 

1 Cerberus is trying to make a hybrid (or PERFECT a hybrid) by using a human with a VI to make it a human AI. (Project Overlord)
2 Reapers them selves are HYBRIDS....... but something is wrong with them(other wise they would not be looking for something every 50 thousand years)

Incorrect, Cerberus isn't trying to create a hybrid. Cerberus is trying to build a way to control the Geth for use as shocktroopers against threats to save human lives, something they've been experimenting with since Mass Effect 1 (Rachni). 

1 Cerberus is really shady like there holding something BIG from the player.
2 Reapers are also really shady.

... this doesn't even justify a response, honestly.

1 Cerberus base...Shepards scars are a yellow orange color ...weird!
2 Reaper base...genetic goo being puped into the HUMAN reaper is the same yellow orange color...ALSO...when Harbringer takes control of a collecter yellow orange color scars ingulf them too...weird!

Reapers: Collectors, we desire Shepard.
Collectors: We accidently blew him up.
Reapers: Dammit guys, we need his corpse.
Cerberus: Yo dudes, I have it.
Reapers: Oh really? That's good. Revive him.
Cerberus: What?
Collectors: We spent a few days to hunt him down and you want them to revive him?
Cerberus: Yeah, honestly. We can just hand you over his corpse.
Reapers: Bring back Shepard to life and send him against us.
Cerberus: ... like, you want him to attack the Collectors?
Collectors: Oh hell no, we didn't sign up for this.
Reapers: It'll be funny, give him the tech and weaponry he requires to stop our plans and gather the best team in the galaxy for him. I'm sure it won't backfire.
Cerberus: Okay...
*five days later, on Horizon*
Cerberus: Okay, I sent Shepard to (Horizon/Collector Ship/Derelict Reaper). Feel free to kill him now.
Collectors: HE'S OWNING US, HELP
Reapers: PERSERVE SHEPARD'S CORPSE, WE NEED IT.
Cerberus: Why didn't you take it when we had it?
Reapers: WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA.
*five days later, on the Collector Base*
Cerberus: ... yep, Shepard's here and killed off every Collector.
Collector: No, I'm still here.
Cerberus: Not for long, that's for sure.
Collector: Because you're the p-
Reapers: Children, calm down. Try to perserve the factory, Cerberus.
Cerberus: I'm trying, gosh. Shepard's a paragon in this playthrough though, I doubt it'll work.
Reapers: *collective facepalm*
*a month later, in the novel Retribution*
Cerberus: We're researching on how to stop you, Reapers!
Reapers: That's hilarious.
Cerberus: Yeah, I know right? Just wanted to blow all this funding to research into the Collector Base when we're actually working for you.
Reapers: Have you seen Shepard yet?
Cerberus: Na, since he did the thing with the base he disappeared.
Reapers: Darn, keep an eye out for him.
Cerberus: I will.
*in Mass Effect 3*
Cerberus: WE'RE WORKING FOR THE REAPERS.
Reapers: You know what? I hardly believe that myself.
Cerberus: I know, right?
Cerberus: They'll never see it coming.
Shepard: I KNEW IT.
Cerberus: How'd you know?!
Shepard: I'm a paragon, anybody I hate is immediately evil and working with the Reapers.
Cerberus: Touche.
Reapers: Damn, he's good.

Shepard being implanted with Reaper tech wouldn't be surprising though, it's been suggested on the boards a dozen or so times before. Though to suggest that the Reapers were the ones who ordered it to happen is extremely silly.

Is any one really not notice those things and see that there IS a connection there!

If you try really hard and hope for it to be true, anything has a connection.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 juin 2011 - 04:02 .

[Dean_the_Young]

You know what else people hope is true? The existence of god.

A connection!

[Moiaussi]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Cerberus is about empowering humanity in the galaxy, not melting them down because it's funny. Why else would they stop the Human Reaper's construction? Why would they be against the Reapers and then suddenly decide "These guys are pretty cool"? 

The Reapers are presumably not melting humans down simply because they think it is funny. How is the plan to create human based reapers that much different than Cerberus' plan to alter human DNA by way of studying Thorian and Rachni DNA and exploring the effects of Thresher Maw acid injections? There is a scale difference obviously, but isn't it a similar methodology?

Incorrect, Cerberus isn't trying to create a hybrid. Cerberus is trying to build a way to control the Geth for use as shocktroopers against threats to save human lives, something they've been experimenting with since Mass Effect 1 (Rachni). 

They weren't with the Geth, but to some degree they were with Shepard. Shepard is heavily cybered up. TIM's eyes suggest he likely is to. IIRC there is some indication that Reaper tech was used as part of Lazarus, and keep in mind that Saren was not just heavily cybered by the Reapers, but was reanimated via that hardware after death in the form of Mecha-Saren. There is some basis for comparason there. It might not have been Cerberus' intent but that is the fun thing about indoctrination. You help the enemy while thinking you are doing the right thing.

Shepard being implanted with Reaper tech wouldn't be surprising though, it's been suggested on the boards a dozen or so times before. Though to suggest that the Reapers were the ones who ordered it to happen is extremely silly.

it isn't really that silly. Again that is how indoctrination works. If you 'assume direct control' you not only tip your hand but also lose the creativity and usefulness of your puppet. You render them unable to make their own decisions. So you use a light touch and nudge them in the right directions. They won't do everything you want, but that just makes them harder to detect as your agent. Shepard is strong willed and they likely can't just take him over while he is conscious, but I wouldn't be surprised where at some point in ME3 he has to fight for control of his body (this could end up part of the solution to defeating the Reapers. If they try to hack him, he might be able to hack them back through the connection).

[Northern Sun]

The demo they showed at the E3 press conference all but confirms that Cerberus is helping the Reapers.

[Dean_the_Young]

Northern Sun wrote...

The demo they showed at the E3 press conference all but confirms that Cerberus is helping the Reapers.

Opposing Shepard =/= siding with the Reapers, no more than fighting anyone who would otherwise fight the Reapers is siding with the reapers.

[Dave of Canada]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Opposing Shepard =/= siding with the Reapers, no more than fighting anyone who would otherwise fight the Reapers is siding with the reapers.

Unfortunately, the gameplay video showed the Cerberus soldiers defending a Reaper from Shepard and then trying to stop him from running away. I still defend my position and still say it doesn't make any sense, it's just the videos have been showing it. D:

[Someone With Mass]

A Reaper everyone thought was a geth shield thing until the Normandy bombed it, yes.

[KevShep]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

KevShep wrote...

I really dont see why people are having a hard time understanding the hole Cerberus and Reaper thing.

1 Cerberus is all about humanity
2 Reapers really only care about humanity (Omaga virus-kills all but humans)

You have simplified their "similar interests" way too much. They care for different reasons. Cerberus wants to promote the self-reliance and dominance of humanity throughout the galaxy. The Reapers want the opposite as they are only interested in their own dominance. Really, I don't see how similar these interests really are once you set them out like that.

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus lives by the moto 'the ends justify the means".
2 Reapers live by the same moto. (they kill off everyone every 50 thousand years...ends justify the means!)

No offense, but I do not see the correlation here as you've once again simplified it. The **** Party under the leadership of Adolf Hitler would have agreed with the sentiment "the ends justify themeans" as would the Communists under the leadership of Joseph Stalin in Soviet Russia, a man who was so paranoid about a conspiracy against his power that he advocated the purging of his political opponents (a number that some historians believe exceeds the amount of people killed under Hitler). Yet, even though these two men agreed on this sentiment, they were bitter enemies.

Why exactly does an agreement upon a single ideal between two parties equate to the idea that they must be working together? Yes, it certainly helps when you can agree upon something with your allies, but this ideal is so minute that I do not think you could build a strong alliance out of that single factor alone.

KevShep wrote...


1 Cerberus is trying to make a hybrid (or PERFECT a hybrid) by using a human with a VI to make it a human AI. (Project Overlord)
2 Reapers them selves are HYBRIDS....... but something is wrong with them(other wise they would not be looking for something every 50 thousand years)

Once again, you have really simplified this to fit your needs. Cerberus was indeed attempting to make a human AI by interfacing it with a VI and a human being. However, the only purpose they had in wanting to do so was because Cerberus discovered the flaw in the logical processes of the Heretic Geth. By interfacing a human being with a program, they were hoping to create a "face" for that program that the Heretic Geth would worship and thus follow.

The Reapers, on the other hand, are interested in "breeding" by making more of themselves through this strange process of hybridization. When comparing actions, please consider the intents behind the actions as well. Sometimes, the intent behind the same action can make the difference between a hero and a villain.

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus is really shady like there holding something BIG from the player.
2 Reapers are also really shady.

And? For years, my parents were acting very shady when I was a child because they neglected to tell me a lot of important stuff about the world. Likewise, the United States government is "really shady" because it certainly doesn't tell a lot of its citizens the whole story when it comes to a lot of stuff. If this is the case, why are my parents not working for the government given the logic you were attempting to use in this comparison?

KevShep wrote...

1 Cerberus base...Shepards scars are a yellow orange color ...weird!
2 Reaper base...genetic goo being puped into the HUMAN reaper is the same yellow orange color...ALSO...when Harbringer takes control of a collecter yellow orange color scars ingulf them too...weird!

You are really grabbing for straws here with a kind of logical analysis that is getting too dangerously close into the same processes that conspiracy theorists use for their arguments. If you would like an idea of just how ridiculous this kind of reasoning can get, my eyes are the exact same shade of blue that is at the top and bottom of the North Korean flag. Thus, it would be logical to assume that because my eyes are the same color as that flag, there must be a connection between me and North Korea. I live in the United States and have never stepped foot in North Korea. See how ridiculous this is?

I don't think there is any kind of importance behind the color of Shepard's scars short of the aesthetic purpose of making your character look more Renegade or Paragon. If there were some kind of importance that we as players were supposed to identify, why would BioWare allow for Paragons to eliminate them over time or allow for players to simply skip them altogether with a 50K upgrade?

your statments are ALSO up in the air like mine...
first off  you cant say that the reapers are into self reliance anyway...also I am just stating that there goals may be the same thing!
Next it does not say that the reapers are doing it for breeding!  IDE just guesses and any time they guess about a part in the main plot usually means that is not the case!(a spoiler is not revealed in a guess)
Thrid is about the Cerberus being shady...If they have nothing to hide then there would be not reason to be in the shadows...How long have you been playing games with stories man?
foruth is the three colors are connected it just stands out too much to not be!
Last The reapers may also be about humanity....but what ever it may be I do know that there goals... ARE...almost the same thing! 

[1upD]

In the E3 footgage, Shepard seemed to be trying to end the genophage. If that was the case, it makes sense that Cerberus would want to turn on him.  Why they were also defending the 'Reaper base' on the Quarian/Geth homeworld is anyone's guess.  I think that pretty much proves the indoctrination theory.  Mordin also mentioned something about leaders being indoctrinated - it looks like it's a widespread issue in ME3.

[Seboist]

1upD wrote...

In the E3 footgage, Shepard seemed to be trying to end the genophage. If that was the case, it makes sense that Cerberus would want to turn on him.  Why they were also defending the 'Reaper base' on the Quarian/Geth homeworld is anyone's guess.  I think that pretty much proves the indoctrination theory.  Mordin also mentioned something about leaders being indoctrinated - it looks like it's a widespread issue in ME3.

If the genophage data is kept in Mordin's loyalty mission TIM says the Krogans would be useful as shock troops against the Reapers, so that can't be it.

[1upD]

Seboist wrote...

1upD wrote...

In the E3 footgage, Shepard seemed to be trying to end the genophage. If that was the case, it makes sense that Cerberus would want to turn on him.  Why they were also defending the 'Reaper base' on the Quarian/Geth homeworld is anyone's guess.  I think that pretty much proves the indoctrination theory.  Mordin also mentioned something about leaders being indoctrinated - it looks like it's a widespread issue in ME3.

If the genophage data is kept in Mordin's loyalty mission TIM says the Krogans would be useful as shock troops against the Reapers, so that can't be it.

Really? Wow, I kept the Genophage data and can't even remember hearing that. Nice call.

Well, I guess it's indoctrination for everything then.

[KevShep]

Here is what I think happand in ME2. Like the human VI the human reaper also went rogue because the connection with a synthetic and an organic is just not working so they study on the geth to fix the problem because the human reaper itself is not working but it too fails. Cerberus must enter the base and do it there at the same time get shepard to be indoctrnated.(and if you read the newest book it states that the best way for the reapers to indoctrinate is to make you trust your enemys so that you are open to outside influance, this is what shepard is going through with...i.e. Cerberus) If this is the case then the hole thing is just a ruse to get shepard on board with the enemy(cerberus) ant the same time achave the reapers goal!

And does anyone notice that the collecters dont wait untill BRFORE the arrival to start getting people....thats because they need to trick shepard, If he is the face of humanity wouldnt you risk it. Think of it this way... they turn there enemy into an ally and cerberus corrects there problem at the same time....Shepard does state that TIM mite biuld a human reaper himself and TIM just responds by saying "My goal is to save humanity AT ANY COST!...just my two cents!

[100k]

Just watched GT's ME3 extended demo part 1

Liara asks Shepard at one point why Cerberus is attacking them, and Shepard says that they are indoctrinated. It's kind of hard to hear, because Casey is talking during that part, but you can still discern it.

And in part 2, there is actually a child that Shepard talks to. 

Modifié par 100k, 06 juin 2011 - 10:34 .

[tywinsregards]

100k wrote...

Just watched GT's ME3 extended demo part 1

Liara asks Shepard at one point why Cerberus is attacking them, and Shepard says that they are indoctrinated. It's kind of hard to hear, because Casey is talking during that part, but you can still discern it.

THANK YOU!!!! I was wonderin when someone would mention that!!! Now back to lurking......

[X20XJeremyX12X]

Don't remember which part of the video but Casey says Cerberus is working with the Reapers.

Modifié par X20XJeremyX12X, 06 juin 2011 - 10:32 .

[Eshaye]

100k wrote...

Just watched GT's ME3 extended demo part 1

Liara asks Shepard at one point why Cerberus is attacking them, and Shepard says that they are indoctrinated. It's kind of hard to hear, because Casey is talking during that part, but you can still discern it.

BAM! 

[1upD]

KevShep wrote...

Here is what I think happand in ME2. Like the human VI the human reaper also went rogue because the connection with a synthetic and an organic is just not working so they study on the geth to fix the problem because the human reaper itself is not working but it too fails. Cerberus must enter the base and do it there at the same time get shepard to be indoctrnated.(and if you read the newest book it states that the best way for the reapers to indoctrinate is to make you trust your enemys so that you are open to outside influance, this is what shepard is going through with...i.e. Cerberus) If this is the case then the hole thing is just a ruse to get shepard on board with the enemy(cerberus) ant the same time achave the reapers goal!

And does anyone notice that the collecters dont wait untill BRFORE the arrival to start getting people....thats because they need to trick shepard, If he is the face of humanity wouldnt you risk it. Think of it this way... they turn there enemy into an ally and cerberus corrects there problem at the same time....Shepard does state that TIM mite biuld a human reaper himself and TIM just responds by saying "My goal is to save humanity AT ANY COST!...just my two cents!

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't pay two cents for that spelling. 

I really don't think that Cerberus was onboard with the Reapers in ME2. The Illusive Man seemed pretty determined to stop the Reapers thoughout the game. Is it that hard to believe that he wasn't indoctrinated in ME2, but he is in ME3? Maybe it has to do with something Cerberus found between the games. 

100k wrote...

Just watched GT's ME3 extended demo part 1

Liara asks Shepard at one point why Cerberus is attacking them, and Shepard says that they are indoctrinated. It's kind of hard to hear, because Casey is talking during that part, but you can still discern it.

Really? I'm going to have to look at that again!

Modifié par 1upD, 06 juin 2011 - 10:32 .