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[100k]

There's a kid in part 2 too! Children for the first time, in ME3?

[Eshaye]

1upD wrote...

Really? I'm going to have to look at that again!

It's clear as day in this footage, somewhere in the middle to end of video. www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-mass-effect/714903

Modifié par Eshaye, 06 juin 2011 - 10:42 .

[tywinsregards]

Ye Shep said it too

[KevShep]

1upD wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Here is what I think happand in ME2. Like the human VI the human reaper also went rogue because the connection with a synthetic and an organic is just not working so they study on the geth to fix the problem because the human reaper itself is not working but it too fails. Cerberus must enter the base and do it there at the same time get shepard to be indoctrnated.(and if you read the newest book it states that the best way for the reapers to indoctrinate is to make you trust your enemys so that you are open to outside influance, this is what shepard is going through with...i.e. Cerberus) If this is the case then the hole thing is just a ruse to get shepard on board with the enemy(cerberus) ant the same time achave the reapers goal!

And does anyone notice that the collecters dont wait untill BRFORE the arrival to start getting people....thats because they need to trick shepard, If he is the face of humanity wouldnt you risk it. Think of it this way... they turn there enemy into an ally and cerberus corrects there problem at the same time....Shepard does state that TIM mite biuld a human reaper himself and TIM just responds by saying "My goal is to save humanity AT ANY COST!...just my two cents!

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't pay two cents for that spelling. 

I really don't think that Cerberus was onboard with the Reapers in ME2. The Illusive Man seemed pretty determined to stop the Reapers thoughout the game. Is it that hard to believe that he wasn't indoctrinated in ME2, but he is in ME3? Maybe it has to do with something Cerberus found between the games. 

100k wrote...

Just watched GT's ME3 extended demo part 1

Liara asks Shepard at one point why Cerberus is attacking them, and Shepard says that they are indoctrinated. It's kind of hard to hear, because Casey is talking during that part, but you can still discern it.

Really? I'm going to have to look at that again!

 first DONT be rude...yes iam not good at english spelling 2nd we dont know the full story on that!

[KevShep]

100k wrote...

Just watched GT's ME3 extended demo part 1

Liara asks Shepard at one point why Cerberus is attacking them, and Shepard says that they are indoctrinated. It's kind of hard to hear, because Casey is talking during that part, but you can still discern it.

And in part 2, there is actually a child that Shepard talks to. 

You can hear it but that does not mean that they actually are. Think of it like this, The reapers are attacking and you just found out that Cerberus is working for them...what would you think?

[100k]

KevShep wrote... first DONT be rude...yes iam not good at english spelling 2nd we dont know the full story on that!

What? Who's being rude?

Edit: Never mind.

Modifié par 100k, 06 juin 2011 - 11:37 .

[KevShep]

100k wrote...

KevShep wrote... first DONT be rude...yes iam not good at english spelling 2nd we dont know the full story on that!

What? Who's being rude?

 sorry not you the other person

[DarkSeraphym]

KevShep wrote...

your statments are ALSO up in the air like mine...
first off  you cant say that the reapers are into self reliance anyway...also I am just stating that there goals may be the same thing!
Next it does not say that the reapers are doing it for breeding!  IDE just guesses and any time they guess about a part in the main plot usually means that is not the case!(a spoiler is not revealed in a guess)
Thrid is about the Cerberus being shady...If they have nothing to hide then there would be not reason to be in the shadows...How long have you been playing games with stories man?
foruth is the three colors are connected it just stands out too much to not be!
Last The reapers may also be about humanity....but what ever it may be I do know that there goals... ARE...almost the same thing! 

1. I'm not sure I see how they would have similar goals. It has been hinted that the Reapers are in the business of some form of genetic ascension. Cerberus is also into ascension based upon the idea of genetics, but where the two appear to differ is that the Reapers strip a species in their process of "Reaperfication" of their physical identity. Cerberus appears to be too interested in the physical identity of the human race to share that goal.

2. This reasoning is dangerously close to the "black swan fallacy". Simply because many of the guesses made in Mass Effect are wrong, leading us to conclude there aren't many that are correct, doesn't mean that correct guesses can not exist. At best, EDI makes a prediction about why they are doing it and her deduction seemed rather sound.

3. Some people like their privacy, especially corporations. The circumstancial idea that "people must be hiding something because they refuse to let others in" is not entirely sound.  I personally think that the PATRIOT Act is silly. Must I have something to hide simply because I disagree with a federal act in the United States that says the government is free to conduct checks on me? Corporations and organizations like Cerberus are not typically in the business of telling you every little detail about themselves unless it is on a need to know basis.

4. While we aren't certain exactly what the goals of the Reapers are, we do know one thing. The Reapers are not interested in the physical survival, nor the physical dominance of the human race. If they were, why would they have been working towards destroying them? What is far more likely is that they are interested in the genetical survival of the human race, something that Cerberus can only agree with them upon partially. If the Illusive Man had only been interested in the genetic survival of the human species, why not cart them off for the Collectors to turn into Reapers?

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 07 juin 2011 - 12:27 .

[ME-ParaShep]

I don't know if anybody decided to take a look at my post last page, but many of you have caught the glimpse that Cerberus is on good terms with the Reapers. Remember, if Cerberus really wanted to help humanity in the long run, they would:

1) Stop preventing Shepard from saving the galaxy
2) Help out other species therefore gaining trust and allies thus helping humanity grow
3) Not be so mischievous about their actions and motives to EVERYONE including humanity

Cerberus is with the Reapers.. there's no denying it. Anybody who is deep into detail with the major organizations in ME 2 can discern how Cerberus and TIM as it's head is backing the Reapers. Their motives prove it. Their words TRY to make it sound good for the galaxy and humanity, but their methods and results only disprove it.

[Rekkampum]

Casey Hudson Interview

Casey Hudson specifically says that Cerberus is working with the Reapers for some unknown reason. (hint, hint, indoctrination?) That question is solved. Or is it?

Modifié par Rekkampum, 07 juin 2011 - 01:52 .

[AntenDS]

TIM does have some history with the Reapers. It is will interesting how they spin it if Cerberus isn't indoctrinated.

[Casper DM]

My thoughts are that Cerberus's goals are somewhat in alignment with the reapers in terms of the advancement and survival of the human race. Take for instance some of the reaper dialogue and their relationship with the collectors who they modified.

I remember posting this in a thread a while ago but for those interested I started along this line of thought after watching this fan made trailer:

[Abispa]

You give Cerberus the Collector base, they send in a science team, and, in that grand Cerberus tradition, things go out of control and everyone is indoctrinated.

Or...

You blow up the Collector base, Cerberus sends in a science team to collect the pieces, and of course the most well preserved piece was designed to be rugged so it could be picked up by a bunch of gullible lackeys (Cerberus personnel) so it could indoctrinate.

I'm thinking TIM resurrected Shepard NOT to destroy the Reapers but to clean up all of his carelessly run projects.

No wonder Miranda was "impressed" by Shepard after only ONE mission. Shepard blowing up a bunch of robots, managing to NOT kill one of his/her best friends, and turning off a bunch of TVs with his/her omni tool was a series of successes unrivaled by any previous Cerberus operative.

Modifié par Abispa, 07 juin 2011 - 03:05 .

[Dave of Canada]

Abispa wrote...

You give Cerberus the Collector base, they send in a science team, and, in that grand Cerberus tradition, things go out of control and everyone is indoctrinated.

And how exactly is every Cell including The Illusive Man supposed to be indoctrinated if they are in completely different facilities?

[KevShep]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

KevShep wrote...

your statments are ALSO up in the air like mine...
first off  you cant say that the reapers are into self reliance anyway...also I am just stating that there goals may be the same thing!
Next it does not say that the reapers are doing it for breeding!  IDE just guesses and any time they guess about a part in the main plot usually means that is not the case!(a spoiler is not revealed in a guess)
Thrid is about the Cerberus being shady...If they have nothing to hide then there would be not reason to be in the shadows...How long have you been playing games with stories man?
foruth is the three colors are connected it just stands out too much to not be!
Last The reapers may also be about humanity....but what ever it may be I do know that there goals... ARE...almost the same thing! 

1. I'm not sure I see how they would have similar goals. It has been hinted that the Reapers are in the business of some form of genetic ascension. Cerberus is also into ascension based upon the idea of genetics, but where the two appear to differ is that the Reapers strip a species in their process of "Reaperfication" of their physical identity. Cerberus appears to be too interested in the physical identity of the human race to share that goal.

2. This reasoning is dangerously close to the "black swan fallacy". Simply because many of the guesses made in Mass Effect are wrong, leading us to conclude there aren't many that are correct, doesn't mean that correct guesses can not exist. At best, EDI makes a prediction about why they are doing it and her deduction seemed rather sound.

3. Some people like their privacy, especially corporations. The circumstancial idea that "people must be hiding something because they refuse to let others in" is not entirely sound. 

 
1 We dont really know what cerberus goals are or what the reapers goals are but I do know one thing about games with deep story and that is if there is something shady ether about the plot or what ever then there IS a good reason for it and that reason is a SPOILER...All am saying is they are shady in the same exact way and it seems like I was right about that becasue in E3 cerberus is working for the reapers and Casey H said that part of the story has you trying to find out why.

2 Also from what I know about deep games is that they never tell you a spoiler through a lucky guess. The only reason that EDI guessed at all was to mislead people so when the real spoiler happens they can say that she didnt know she just gave a guess.

[Abispa]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Abispa wrote...

You give Cerberus the Collector base, they send in a science team, and, in that grand Cerberus tradition, things go out of control and everyone is indoctrinated.

And how exactly is every Cell including The Illusive Man supposed to be indoctrinated if they are in completely different facilities?

You fail to comprehend the true scope of Cerberus' established ineptness.

[KevShep]

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[SandTrout]

Not all of Cerberus in necessarily with the Reapers. Remember that there are multiple divisions of Cerberus, one of which being highly militarized. This militarized portion is the only section of Cerberus that we can obviously see in the video, and it makes sense that some of them would get indoctrinated. They would have been the first group to engage the Reapers due to the fact that they are aware of the threat.

[Omega Torsk]

Nobody exactly knows "why" and quite possibly won't know until the game comes out. However, people have their theories. At first, I suspected indoctrination, but now that I've seen the footage from E3 (and listened to Casey Hudson's commentary during the GameTrailers exclusive), I'm almost convinced that TIM and Cerberus have gone the way of Saren...

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 07 juin 2011 - 07:49 .

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

My guess is that all of Cerberus is with the Reapers. My guess is that the Illusive Man came to the realization that the Reapers can't be stopped, and would rather that humanity lived on as a Reaper than died fighting them. I doubt indoctrination was used, as it degrades the ability of the victim

This is what I'm thinking. Once the Earth falls in the intro TIM decides the war is hopeless already and elects to 'save' humanity by the best remaining way possible, even if it means surrendering to the Reapers.

That feels like too much of a cop-out and a lame Saren rehashing to
me. TIM has never given up no matter the losses Cerberus endures.

[Dave666]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That feels like too much of a cop-out and a lame Saren rehashing to
me. TIM has never given up no matter the losses Cerberus endures.

He's a practical man. He won't sacrifice humanity out of some sense of pride.

No, he only sacrifices them if they're children with Biotic abilities...

Or Alliance Marines...

Or Alliance Admirals...

[Homebound]

ive been wanting to slug tim in the face since akuze.