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Volus Warlord wrote...
Oh cmon. It was a game interview of a game developer. Did you expect anything else other than self-masturbatory nonsense?
Capt. Obvious wrote...
Volus Warlord wrote...
Oh cmon. It was a game interview of a game developer. Did you expect anything else other than self-masturbatory nonsense?
Wait, are you referring to every game developer in the interview or just BioWare?
Modifié par LTD, 04 juin 2011 - 03:15 .
Modifié par mrcrusty, 04 juin 2011 - 03:06 .
mrcrusty wrote...
That last part was a complete circle jerk. Bioware and CDPR probably being the worst offenders, though I'd rate Bioware "worst" as Tomasz Gop at least had the decency to praise Deus Ex in one of the questions instead of his own team.
On the other hand, Ken Levine and the guys at 2K get brownie points for mentioning Beyond Good & Evil as well as Planescape: Torment.
*adds 1 point to the Bioshock: Infinity anticipation meter*
Druss99 wrote...
mrcrusty wrote...
That last part was a complete circle jerk. Bioware and CDPR probably being the worst offenders, though I'd rate Bioware "worst" as Tomasz Gop at least had the decency to praise Deus Ex in one of the questions instead of his own team.
On the other hand, Ken Levine and the guys at 2K get brownie points for mentioning Beyond Good & Evil as well as Planescape: Torment.
*adds 1 point to the Bioshock: Infinity anticipation meter*
In fairness Casey Hudson also mentioned Portal and admitted he was probably being biased.
Modifié par mrcrusty, 04 juin 2011 - 03:14 .
mrcrusty wrote...
That last part was a complete circle jerk. Bioware and CDPR probably being the worst offenders, though I'd rate Bioware "worst" as Tomasz Gop at least had the decency to praise Deus Ex in one of the questions instead of his own team.
On the other hand, Ken Levine and the guys at 2K get brownie points for mentioning Beyond Good & Evil as well as Planescape: Torment.
*adds 1 point to the Bioshock: Infinity anticipation meter*
Modifié par Travie, 04 juin 2011 - 03:17 .
Modifié par slimgrin, 04 juin 2011 - 03:22 .
mrcrusty wrote...
That last part was a complete circle jerk. Bioware and CDPR probably being the worst offenders, though I'd rate Bioware "worst" as Tomasz Gop at least had the decency to praise Deus Ex in one of the questions instead of his own team.
Why do you think stories are important in gaming? You've probably played plenty of great games that had little or no story to them.
Chris Avellone wrote...
I think stories are secondary to making the gameplay fun, but a good story is like icing--it just enhances the experience (Half-Life, as an obvious example, and just about any RPG you ever want to play). It provides context for the fun, gives you a reason to keep going, can ****** you off and inspire you at the right points, and it can hit all the emotional points that adrenaline-stress-based gameplay elements can't.
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When you encounter deep characters, interesting plot elements (and twists), and NPCs in the game-world that seem to have agendas of their own, I think it just challenges the player to think at a higher level when playing the game--suddenly an NPC you meet isn't just someone who gives you a quest; you have to figure out how and why he wants you to do it and what the consequences might be, especially morally, reputation-wise, and financially, for your character.
Hideo Kojima wrote...
When trying to assume the role of a character, you need a setting. It does not necessarily have to be a storyline. You need a minimum setting to become that character.
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A game will be monotone if the player is simply required to accomplish the assigned goal.
By adding the element of "infiltrate enemy territory without being discovered and save the world" to the simple rules of "hide and seek" (i.e. "do not get found"), you get to experience much more thrill.
Unlike film and novels in which you experience the story, in games I simply add the "story element" so that the player can enjoy the virtual experience.
Ken Levine wrote...
The story should serve to unify the game experience and the narrative, not to exist on a separate track.
Modifié par mrcrusty, 04 juin 2011 - 03:37 .
LTD wrote...
Haha. Yeah. I'm still bending over in front of the magnificent storytelling of ME2.
I was one of the chosen ones to whom Bioware was kind and generous enough to sell their game. Thusly, I had the unspeakable HONOR of enjoying the ecstatic climax of flawless storytelling that is ME2. It is AMAZING how gracefully and boldly they tell the story from initial " Reapers are coming pretty soon" - setting it opens with all the way to "Reapers are coming VERY soon!"
All said and done, I love ME2 in conditional fashion. Excellent world, atmosphere and very, very well written characters. But let us face it friends and neighbors, the game barely has a main storyline to speak of. Beef portion of ME2 consists of some twenty variations of "Yeah Shepard, sure is bad those Reapers are coming or whatever. Anyway, I have this estranged twin sister/father/mother/mistress/pet iguana that we really need to save. I just mark loc in your map k?" Most of it is very well written but it hardly counts for some sort of a shining beacon of super awesome storytelling.
slimgrin wrote...
Lots of self-congratulatory stroking in the article, but the industry still has a ways to go when it comes to storytelling. Most writing in games is secondhand fair that's usually done better in books and movies.
I know many here will disagree, but I feel The Witcher series represents the best writing I've seen in games thus far, mainly because CDPR truly aims for an adult audience and manages to avoid the usual fantasy tropes.
88mphSlayer wrote...
it's ironic that Treyarch slobbered on Heavy Rain and Bioware slobbered on themselves
Modifié par naughty99, 04 juin 2011 - 04:03 .
virumor wrote...
In all fairness, CD Projekt would probably do the same with their games.
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