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[Volus Warlord]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

All I saw was CDPR praise Deus Ex, and their own writers for writing TV shows and movies for years hehe

And then see Casey ****** the ME penis..

I wonder if Laidlaw can ****** the DA2 penis? Or does it suffer from ED?

Don't worry, some development Viagra will fix that right up:lol:

[Siansonea]

Hmmm, the OP importunes BioWare to "get over yourself". I would say that if anyone needs to get over oneself, it's many of the people around here. After all, the only accomplishment I've witnessed among many of you is the ability to gripe about a game you played and didn't like. For MONTHS. Whereas BioWare actually MAKES the games. Maybe not perfect games, but games that are pretty enjoyable to a number of people. I'd say that's a good deal more impressive than merely playing/hating/complaining about a game. So, let the over-oneself getting begin!

[Chromie]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

All I saw was CDPR praise Deus Ex, and their own writers for writing TV shows and movies for years hehe

And then see Casey ****** the ME penis..

I wonder if Laidlaw can ****** the DA2 penis? Or does it suffer from ED?

He jerked off the DA2 penis so much the Gryphons came back from extiction.

[Lord_Valandil]

Ringo12 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

All I saw was CDPR praise Deus Ex, and their own writers for writing TV shows and movies for years hehe

And then see Casey ****** the ME penis..

I wonder if Laidlaw can ****** the DA2 penis? Or does it suffer from ED?

He jerked off the DA2 penis so much the Gryphons came back from extiction.

I hate to admit it, but I laughed really hard.

[Romantiq]

Nothing wrong with being a little proud. I for one am glad that Mass Effect exists. Its far from perfect but its a sweet ass ride anyhow.

[Anathemic]

virumor wrote...

In all fairness, CD Projekt would probably do the same with their games.

True, but they give credit where credits due on what games they were inspired from, like Batman: Arkham Asylum and Demon Souls.

[naughty99]

Ringo12 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

neppakyo wrote...

All I saw was CDPR praise Deus Ex, and their own writers for writing TV shows and movies for years hehe

And then see Casey ****** the ME penis..

I wonder if Laidlaw can ****** the DA2 penis? Or does it suffer from ED?

He jerked off the DA2 penis so much the Gryphons came back from extiction.

wow i bet God killed some kittens because of that

[Chromie]

Romantiq wrote...

Nothing wrong with being a little proud. I for one am glad that Mass Effect exists. Its far from perfect but its a sweet ass ride anyhow.

I agree but Mass Effect 2 having an excellent story? The story is gather 12 people and use them to assualt a base. After Mass Effect 3 I wonder what sort of plot we'll be getting. After a Reaper invasion everything else that is "save the galaxy" won't feel as awesome.

[Arppis]

LTD wrote...

Haha. Yeah. I'm still bending over in front of the magnificent storytelling of ME2.

I was one of the chosen ones to whom Bioware was kind and generous  enough to sell their game.  Thusly, I had the unspeakable HONOR of enjoying the ecstatic climax of flawless storytelling that is ME2. It is AMAZING how gracefully and boldly they tell the story from initial " Reapers are coming pretty soon" -  setting it opens with all the way to "Reapers are coming VERY soon!"

All said and done, I love ME2 in conditional fashion. Excellent world, atmosphere and very, very well written characters. But let us  face it friends and neighbors, the game barely has a main storyline to speak of.  Beef portion of ME2 consists of some twenty variations of "Yeah Shepard, sure is bad those  Reapers are coming or whatever. Anyway, I have this estranged twin sister/father/mother/mistress/pet iguana that we really need to save. I just mark loc in your map k?" Most of it is very well written but it hardly counts for some sort of a shining beacon of super awesome  storytelling.

It is pretty good storytelling, when story is so simple and bit dumb and people are captured by it! So yeah, good storytelling.

[TheMufflon]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hmmm, the OP importunes BioWare to "get over yourself". I would say that if anyone needs to get over oneself, it's many of the people around here. After all, the only accomplishment I've witnessed among many of you is the ability to gripe about a game you played and didn't like. For MONTHS. Whereas BioWare actually MAKES the games. Maybe not perfect games, but games that are pretty enjoyable to a number of people. I'd say that's a good deal more impressive than merely playing/hating/complaining about a game. So, let the over-oneself getting begin!

If anyone should get over himself it's you. After all, the only accomplishment I've witnessed from you is the ability to gripe about posters you don't like. For MONTHS. Whereas those posters actually MAKE posts about games. Maybe not perfect posts, but posts that are pretty enjoyable to a number of people. I'd say a good deal more impressive than merely whining/bashing/complaning about the posts.

[Romantiq]

Ringo12 wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Nothing wrong with being a little proud. I for one am glad that Mass Effect exists. Its far from perfect but its a sweet ass ride anyhow.

I agree but Mass Effect 2 having an excellent story? The story is gather 12 people and use them to assualt a base. After Mass Effect 3 I wonder what sort of plot we'll be getting. After a Reaper invasion everything else that is "save the galaxy" won't feel as awesome.

Naw. The story is absolute crap. THE REAPERS ARE COMING!!!! Big whoop. We'll see if ME3 provides some actual background story which I doubt will happen.

Modifié par Romantiq, 04 juin 2011 - 06:50 .

[Addai]

ME2 was a good cinematic game, but that's not storytelling. I would say that was the weakest aspect of the game.

Casey Hudson may have been trying to be honest, but it wasn't very tactful. Self-effacing works better, even if it's blatant.

[Anathemic]

Romantiq wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Nothing wrong with being a little proud. I for one am glad that Mass Effect exists. Its far from perfect but its a sweet ass ride anyhow.

I agree but Mass Effect 2 having an excellent story? The story is gather 12 people and use them to assualt a base. After Mass Effect 3 I wonder what sort of plot we'll be getting. After a Reaper invasion everything else that is "save the galaxy" won't feel as awesome.

Naw. The story is absolute crap. THE REAPERS ARE COMING!!!! Big whoop. We'll see if ME3 provides some actual background story which I doubt will happen.

ME1: The Repears are coming!
ME2: The Reapers are coming VERY SOON!
First half of ME3: The Repears are about to come!
1/4 of ME3: The Reapers are HERE!
1/4 of ME3: Where the **** is Shepard?!?!

[TheMufflon]

Romantiq wrote...

Naw. The story is absolute crap. THE REAPERS ARE COMING!!!! 

Plot isn't story isn't storytelling. You're two degrees off.

Modifié par TheMufflon, 04 juin 2011 - 07:06 .

[Anathemic]

TheMufflon wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Naw. The story is absolute crap. THE REAPERS ARE COMING!!!! 

Plot isn't story isn't storytelling. You're two degrees off.

Plot is story. And I'm pretty sure the person Romantiq was quoting wasn't talking about storytelling in any degree. You made a complete 180 degree turn my friend.

[TheMufflon]

Anathemic wrote...

Plot is story.

Incorrect. The plot is the general outline of a story, which isn't transative in terms of quality.

You made a complete 180 degree turn my friend.

You are using that expression incorrectly.

[88mphSlayer]

naughty99 wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

it's ironic that Treyarch slobbered on Heavy Rain and Bioware slobbered on themselves

Seriously?

In an interview about STORYTELLING in games, you think the guy from the team that cranks out COD sequels should toot his own horn more than Casey Hudson?

He's completely correct to mention the Mass Effect series. It's acknowledged by many critics and fans as one of the best examples of storytelling in modern games.

He's also under a lot of pressure to get his talking points about Mass Effect 3 across in any press interview, even if it is a short one.

and @ OP - Whatever problems DA2 has, you must admit the dev team made some bold story choices; personally I liked some of those choices, and lots of other people did as well.

that's what makes it funny - the team that cranks out **** zombies for the masses understood the question better

and to be honest, the QTE style of cutscenes in Heavy Rain was really well done... the rest of the game sucked tho, but that's largely because the story was really dumb (not necessarily the storytelling

i don't get the pressure part, Ken Levine has just as much pressure on him to top Bioshock with Bioshock Infinite, tooting your own horn is just that - tooting your own horn

also Dragon Age 2's storytelling sucked, the story had potential to be good but not the kind of story that gets lauded at the end of the year

to finish it off, in all honesty i thought Red Dead Redemption had better storytelling than any other game in 2010, i think the story itself could've been really underappreciated if the storytelling wasn't top notch, i didn't think ME2 executed storytelling nearly as well as a whole

[Beerfish]

Another in a long list of idiotic threads, this is promotion and business and competition and the people truly feel good about their products and people. Just because some people disagree with it doesn't mean the one being interviewed shouldn't pat themselves on the back. Many BioWare people have lavished praised on other games and game companies in the past.

The 'valid criticism' of games, game companies and people in those companies becomes a whiney drone after a while when every game, game feature, developer comment, promo material is lambasted.

[naughty99]

Anathemic wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

Romantiq wrote...

Naw. The story is absolute crap. THE REAPERS ARE COMING!!!! 

Plot isn't story isn't storytelling. You're two degrees off.

Plot is story. 

There are good stories and bad stories.

I would say a "good story" could be boiled down to compelling characters in dramatic conflict with one another (due to conflicting goals, personalities, etc.). 

If the plot, or the events of the story, develops naturally and logically from this conflict between the characters and takes it to another level then -- congratulations -- we have a "great story."


If nobody cares about the characters then the story sucks.

If there is no tension and dramatic conflict, the story sucks.

If the conflict is static and never goes anywhere, the story sucks.

If the plot does not develop logically from conflict between the characters, the story sucks.

Modifié par naughty99, 04 juin 2011 - 07:39 .

[Anathemic]

TheMufflon wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Plot is story.

Incorrect. The plot is the general outline of a story, which isn't transative in terms of quality.

You made a complete 180 degree turn my friend.

You are using that expression incorrectly.

Plot is story. Story is not plot. Likewise, storytelling is story but story is not storytelling.

In the course of this discussion, no one was arguing the story telling aspect but the 'plot' aspect of the discussion. The term 'story' was used a s a casual term, but a reasonable person can ifner it's actually 'plot'.

I sated you made a complete 180 degree turn because you just threw in the term 'storytelling' into a discussion where it was discussing 'plot'.

[TheMufflon]

Anathemic wrote...

Plot is story. Story is not plot. Likewise, storytelling is story but story is not storytelling.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that your mistake in one of grammar rather than one of incongruity. A plot is an outline for a sequence of events, while it is possible for such an outline to constitute the whole of a story, such is neither the general nor specific case. Storytelling is, however, entirely separate from story, as is evident from the words being of different lexical class. Storytelling is the act of conveying a story and is not itself a part of the story.

In the course of this discussion, no one was arguing the story telling aspect but the 'plot' aspect of the discussion.

I suggest you read the thread before posting in it.

The term 'story' was used a s a casual term, but a reasonable person can ifner it's actually 'plot'.

Indeed, and as a reasonable person I can also deduce what you actually meant when you misspelled "infer". That does not mean that either is correct.

I sated you made a complete 180 degree turn because you just threw in the term 'storytelling' into a discussion where it was discussing 'plot'.

A few things: Considering that the article which this thread discusses is about storytelling, and that Ringo12's rhetorical question was, in fact a, misnomered reference to that same article I hardly see how I could be considered to have "thrown in the term"; and considering that you started your post by claiming that "plot is story" and that "storytelling is story", your subsequent claim that storytelling is "180 degrees" away from plot is a bit absurd, don't you think?

Modifié par TheMufflon, 04 juin 2011 - 10:16 .

[Loup Blanc]

ink07 wrote...

Ugh, I'm starting to detest Bioware more and more each day, yes, even more than I detest David Cage. That is saying something.

This.

[Godak]

I have to say, I'm loving Fumito Ueda more and more. He's one of two Japanese designer (the other being Keiji Inafune) that still excite me when the announce a new project.

Modifié par Godak, 04 juin 2011 - 09:19 .