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[Ariella]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I am sorry about that, DragoonLordz. In the business world and in homes of non-gamers XP is probably very popular. Maybe that will put a smile back on your face.

I think my husband's work laptop still has XP.

[MonkeyLungs]

Win98SE for life!

[Chromie]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ariella wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Some of the things that I find disgusting: vomit, seafood, and long-winded posts about people's "disgust" over dev comments. If you have a serious issue with some aspect of the game, maybe you should stick to elaborating on that instead of writing about how offended you are by what dev <x> said as if the dev was somehow being insulting, etc. The UI was clean and serviceable - if you want something more elaborate for the PC, well, try to make an actual case for it then.

Thank you.

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Don't ya know? Bioware is never wrong.

[Skilled Seeker]

BIOWARE DEFENSE FORCE FOR LIFE!

Lol wow, there's an actual group!

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 04 juin 2011 - 11:41 .

[Kidd]

 One day, a long time ago from this day we call 'now', DAO released.
Console players: It kinda sucks how our version is buggier than the PC version all over, lacks the isometric view, doesn't allow us to give out multiple orders every time we pause (requiring us to hit the pause button quickly as soon as an order is given to repause the game if we want to give two orders at any one time). We also miss "click to walk" which helps set up strategic positioning.
PC players: Sometimes one version is slightly better than the other. It happens, I'm afraid. But hey, you can still play the game, so try to enjoy yourselves regardless.

And later DA2 released in the chilly spring breeze.
Console players: Cool, we got everything we wanted aside from the isometric view.
PC players: Our UI has a minimalist graphical design instead of looking like huge books, and console users have a slightly better AOE targeting system than us! Waaaah, our strong machines are held back by the evil consoles! If they were going to consolise the game this much the game shouldn't have been released on PC at all, this isn't a bloody console! BioWare has lost its soul!

...wait what? =O

Note: This isn't meant to be criticism to any one poster here, not even the OP. It's just a tendency I feel from reading a lot on these boards since DAO's time till now, and it feels kinda weird and backwards.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 04 juin 2011 - 11:44 .

[Well]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

BIOWARE DEFENSE FORCE FOR LIFE!

Lol wow, there's an actual group!

Send in the Freelancers!

[AngryFrozenWater]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

 One day, a long time ago from this day we call 'now', DAO released.
Console players: It kinda sucks how our version is buggier than the PC version all over, lacks the isometric view, doesn't allow us to give out multiple orders every time we pause (requiring us to hit the pause button quickly as soon as an order is given to repause the game if we want to give two orders at any one time). We also miss "click to walk" which helps set up strategic positioning.
PC players: Sometimes one version is slightly better than the other. It happens, I'm afraid. But hey, you can still play the game, so try to enjoy yourselves regardless.

And later DA2 released in the chilly spring breeze.
Console players: Cool, we got everything we wanted aside from the isometric view.
PC players: Our UI has a minimalist graphical design instead of looking like huge books, and console users have a slightly better AOE targeting system than us! Waaaah, our strong machines are held back by the evil consoles! If they were going to consolise the game this much the game shouldn't have been released on PC at all, this isn't a bloody console! BioWare has lost its soul!

...wait what? =O

Note: This isn't meant to be criticism to any one poster here, not even the OP. It's just a tendency I feel from reading a lot on these boards since DAO's time till now, and it feels kinda weird and backwards.

It may not be intended as critisim, but it doesn't show any knowledge of the issues involved either. I've just looked at your profile and was not surprised that you were a console gamer. I would suggest that you don't concern yourself with those issues. It distracts from figuring out solutions and thus it is not helping those involved. Thanks for understanding.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 04 juin 2011 - 11:50 .

[DragonRageGT]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ariella wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Some of the things that I find disgusting: vomit, seafood, and long-winded posts about people's "disgust" over dev comments. If you have a serious issue with some aspect of the game, maybe you should stick to elaborating on that instead of writing about how offended you are by what dev <x> said as if the dev was somehow being insulting, etc. The UI was clean and serviceable - if you want something more elaborate for the PC, well, try to make an actual case for it then.

Thank you.

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Same here!

[DragonRageGT]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

 One day, a long time ago from this day we call 'now', DAO released.
Console players: It kinda sucks how our version is buggier than the PC version all over, lacks the isometric view, doesn't allow us to give out multiple orders every time we pause (requiring us to hit the pause button quickly as soon as an order is given to repause the game if we want to give two orders at any one time). We also miss "click to walk" which helps set up strategic positioning.
PC players: Sometimes one version is slightly better than the other. It happens, I'm afraid. But hey, you can still play the game, so try to enjoy yourselves regardless.

And later DA2 released in the chilly spring breeze.
Console players: Cool, we got everything we wanted aside from the isometric view.
PC players: Our UI has a minimalist graphical design instead of looking like huge books, and console users have a slightly better AOE targeting system than us! Waaaah, our strong machines are held back by the evil consoles! If they were going to consolise the game this much the game shouldn't have been released on PC at all, this isn't a bloody console! BioWare has lost its soul!

...wait what? =O

Note: This isn't meant to be criticism to any one poster here, not even the OP. It's just a tendency I feel from reading a lot on these boards since DAO's time till now, and it feels kinda weird and backwards.

It may not be intended as critisim, but it doesn't show any knowledge of the issues involved either. I've just looked at your profile and was not surprised that you were a console gamer. I would suggest that you don't concern yourself with those issues. It distracts from figuring out solutions and thus it is not helping those involved. Thanks for understanding.

The post you replied to, Mad Ice, could be sumarized as  "it's payback time!"... poor Stunt Dawgs!

[_Aine_]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Respect is needed on both sides of the fence...  I agree with you 100%.  Some of the defenders have been just as rude and condescending as the "haters". 

Civility and respect. It isn't brain surgery. 
*pokes at your parietal lobe*  Now I iz messin' with yer spacial skillz.  

[upsettingshorts]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Please list the obvious, objective flaws that you believe every right-minded, not-trolling individual is likely to see with DA2.

[erynnar]

shantisands wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Respect is needed on both sides of the fence...  I agree with you 100%.  Some of the defenders have been just as rude and condescending as the "haters". 

Civility and respect. It isn't brain surgery. 
*pokes at your parietal lobe*  Now I iz messin' with yer spacial skillz.  

Oh will he go around in circles and run into walls? *gets popcorn*

And back on topic, Still say PCs first then port to consoles. Better games all the way around. Because from what I can tell, the console people didn't like DA2 that much either, according to player reviews.

[AAHook2]

I have to agree that it boils down to Bioware using console gamers as an excuse as to why they couldn't do their jobs with proper Quality Control on this major project.

It's equivalent to telling a college professor that the dog ate your homework.

[Kidd]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It may not be intended as critisim, but it doesn't show any knowledge of the issues involved either. I've just looked at your profile and was not surprised that you were a console gamer. I would suggest that you don't concern yourself with those issues. It distracts from figuring out solutions and thus it is not helping those involved. Thanks for understanding.

Trust me, I am all for PC users not getting the shaft. DA2 is better on console, although it is just slightly so (at least from what I can understand as a console player - hearing how the AOE targetting works is easy to understand and I see it's inferior, but it's difficult to properly weigh just how much more difficult general targetting + hitting R is compared to hitting A on my gamepad). I don't support this, I am all for a PC patch that allows you PC users to be able to control your AOE reticules via WASD similar to how we do with our joysticks. Heck you could have a neat in-game toggle or something. Press space to switch between mouse and keyboard control - mouse controlling like it is now so you could quickly place an AOE, or use the keyboard control for more precise placements. Oh, and remove snapping completely for the mouse method, or at least make a toggle in Options about it or something.

I just find that as soon as something follows a line people don't like, they're awfully quick to label the game "consolised". Personally I've always been a big fan of minimalist interfaces - I run blackbox clones mostly as window managers on my computers for instance - and as such I find DA2's interface to be absolutely beautiful. And it looks far less like a book than DAO's console versions did. Thus I doubt the reason it looks minimalist in DA2 has anything to do with the power of a console.

What is missing from the UI, really? We've got HP bars, stamina/mana bars, character portraits, level up notifiers, minimap, hot bar for skills, experience bar... what more do we need? While I haven't played DAO on PC, I can't even imagine what might be missing here.

RageGT wrote...

The post you replied to, Mad Ice, could be sumarized as  "it's payback time!"... poor Stunt Dawgs!

I assure you I didn't mean it as such, and I apologise if that's how I came off. I didn't put a whole lot of thought about how I should've worded that, it's just been something that's been nagging on the inside of my head for months now, wanting to reach out =) I guess what I mostly want is for people to just take a step back and calm down and consider what it is they're complaining so much about. Sadly multiplatform games will often be slightly better for one platform - that's true even for 360 vs ps3 - but that is not reason to throw your own thinking out the window. I have more screen tearing in Marvel VS Capcom 3 compared to ps3 gamers, those who play Street Fighter 4 on ps3 have slight input lag I do not experience, and you have a tad worse targetting mechanics in DA2 compared to gamers with both consoles.

DA2 is by no means bad on PC because of consoles' existence. The problems the game have are many, but few lay in the nature of the game being multi platform. This engine sure isn't maxing out our consoles' graphical capabilities either, you know =)

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 05 juin 2011 - 12:10 .

[Icinix]

Hmmm....

Regardless of the statement - I find it hard to believe that consoles lack the ability to use a UI with bells and whistles since games from years gone by had UI's with bells and whistles and they ran on hardware far less powerful than modern day consoles. But since I don't know the nature of whats going on behind the screen with the code, I won't declare shennanigans.

To OP - I do agree with what you're saying in regards too purchasing a PC or Console and shouldn't be held back by the other - Which is why little things like the high-res texture patch and DX11 features make me happy. As long as companies continue to at least provide things such as this, however basic, I can live with that as a sign they still acknowledge the PC user base - because lets be honest - due to the nature of platforms - no one platform can have everything they want. So there has to be give and take.

[Lumikki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Please list the obvious, objective flaws that you believe every right-minded, not-trolling individual is likely to see with DA2.

Yeah, I don't get this deny it flaws? People don't so much deny, than disagree they importance, because some of them are based players taste. I would also like to see list what those obvious flaws are?

Modifié par Lumikki, 05 juin 2011 - 12:36 .

[Dragoonlordz]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Win98SE for life!

I wonder how 3.11 would react to modern system... Might give it a shot on one of my spares to find out.

On topic~ A title that is multiplatform should always be deisgned for PC highest spec first then slight reductions made to allow for console players since consoles are rather limited hardware wise, when a developer makes for the consoles and port's it to PC then I do question the quality of the developer itself because the end result is simple they are in it purely for the money and not the quality anymore. Bioware falls into this catagory right now.

CDPR used a new engine that offers the (optimal) experience for PC and also allows for the use on consoles, they designed it for the PC first the only difference is the design choice not limitation of software engine with regard to ease of UI and controls. The controls issue they resolved and applied a fix and the UI is subjective.

Blizzard also make for the PC then make appropriate reductions in order for the console gamers limitation of hardware. These two I respect as developers for that, Bioware I do not as they have sold out the PC gamer in favour of the overpricing of console based retail price distribution (games being £40-50 here while PC games are £20-30) and also reduced developement time. Another example would be Fable 3 which was designed for console first then port to PC second with an overhaul which gave dubious results due to the fact they started from an inferior position (hardware specification wise).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 05 juin 2011 - 12:46 .

[DragonRageGT]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Win98SE for life!

Me wants it! At least I could run Interstate '76 on it! *sighs* Taurus FTW! (I have no doubt that Morpheus was inspired by him! - best OST ever too!)

[DragonRageGT]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

BIOWARE DEFENSE FORCE FOR LIFE!

Lol wow, there's an actual group!

Hmmm... they'll need some serious 12 Step Program to go back to reality! Or perhaps invite Amy Winehouse and Lindsay Lohan to join their gang!

[AngryFrozenWater]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It may not be intended as critisim, but it doesn't show any knowledge of the issues involved either. I've just looked at your profile and was not surprised that you were a console gamer. I would suggest that you don't concern yourself with those issues. It distracts from figuring out solutions and thus it is not helping those involved. Thanks for understanding.

Trust me, [snip]

I have removed a wall of text here to make this post more readable. You write a lot, but you clearly have not bothered to read the original post to get an idea of which issues are involved. Therefore I have no intention to respond to you. Thanks for your time.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Lumikki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Please list the obvious, objective flaws that you believe every right-minded, not-trolling individual is likely to see with DA2.

Yeah, I don't get this deny it flaws? People don't so much deny, than disagree they importance, because some of them are based players taste. I would also like to see list what those obvious flaws are?

Read the constructive critism thread. There's plenty of that to be found. Derailing this thread doesn't help the topic, does it?

[erynnar]

Lumikki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Please list the obvious, objective flaws that you believe every right-minded, not-trolling individual is likely to see with DA2.

Yeah, I don't get this deny it flaws? People don't so much deny, than disagree they importance, because some of them are based players taste. I would also like to see list what those obvious flaws are?

It's called the constructive criticism thread (with plenty of the glaring and obvious flaws, both subjective--people's tastes--and non subjective ones). Please, let's not make this another one of those threads.

[Zanallen]

Sometimes I wish all forms of video gaming would die. Then we would be free of the constant bickering of console kiddies and PC elitists.

[ipgd]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Please list the obvious, objective flaws that you believe every right-minded, not-trolling individual is likely to see with DA2.

Yeah, I don't get this deny it flaws? People don't so much deny, than disagree they importance, because some of them are based players taste. I would also like to see list what those obvious flaws are?

Read the constructive critism thread. There's plenty of that to be found. Derailing this thread doesn't help the topic, does it?

So why exactly did you make that post if you didn't expect people to reply to it?