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[Kidd]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I have removed a wall of text here to make this post more readable. You write a lot, but you clearly have not bothered to read the original post to get an idea of which issues are involved. Therefore I have no intention to respond to you. Thanks for your time.

Oh I "bothered" to read it alright =) Just like I've read the quoted post within the topic it originally appeared in. I do not post nearly as much as I lurk, dear The OP didn't even mention any single features but made a broad and general statement. And - disclaimer - I don't mean that in a bad way, quite the opposite actually!

Got nothing more to add. Good day to you~~

[Melca36]

shantisands wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Respect is needed on both sides of the fence...  I agree with you 100%.  Some of the defenders have been just as rude and condescending as the "haters". 

Civility and respect. It isn't brain surgery. 
*pokes at your parietal lobe*  Now I iz messin' with yer spacial skillz.  

Some of those Defenders have no credibility especially when they label people haters for rating the game between a 6 - 8.  Those are the ones who gave the most fair reviews in my opinion.

Because this game is not a 10 but its not a 1 either.

[Aaleel]

I don't really care.

In a perfect gaming world all games released for multiple platforms would be done on PC first and then ported to consoles so everyone gets the best possible product for their platform & money.

But I know that when money and time are involved what's perfect and what actually happens are rarely the same thing.

[upsettingshorts]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Read the constructive critism thread. There's plenty of that to be found. Derailing this thread doesn't help the topic, does it?

The constructive criticism thread has both a collection of common objective criticisms and subjective criticisms of varying popularity.

And as far as this thread's topic goes, if it was meant to be constructive instead of typical BSN hyperbolic ranting, maybe it should have been in the Constructive Criticism thread in the first place?

[Chuvvy]

DA is terribly optimized. And it's running on a worse engine. There's your problem. Plenty of games look way better and do more and run fine on consoles. Uncharted, Mafia, RDR, LA Noire. But these don't come to mind, because you live in a selective reality.

[erynnar]

Zanallen wrote...

Sometimes I wish all forms of video gaming would die. Then we would be free of the constant bickering of console kiddies and PC elitists.

I don't see it as bickering, and no one brought up those lovely put down names until you Zan. I take it as amusing debates. Your mileage may vary apparently. 

[erynnar]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Read the constructive critism thread. There's plenty of that to be found. Derailing this thread doesn't help the topic, does it?

The constructive criticism thread has both a collection of common objective criticisms and subjective criticisms of varying popularity.

And as far as this thread's topic goes, if it was meant to be constructive instead of typical BSN hyperbolic ranting, maybe it should have been in the Constructive Criticism thread in the first place?

Then perhaps you should address that to the OP in topic or a PM?

[erynnar]

Melca36 wrote...

shantisands wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Don't worry. I am just as disgusted about the behavior of the BW defenders which are clearly indended to fuel flame wars and prevent improvements to future games by denying that the obvious flaws exist. I have no intention of being respectful to that group.

Respect is needed on both sides of the fence...  I agree with you 100%.  Some of the defenders have been just as rude and condescending as the "haters". 

Civility and respect. It isn't brain surgery. 
*pokes at your parietal lobe*  Now I iz messin' with yer spacial skillz.  

Some of those Defenders have no credibility especially when they label people haters for rating the game between a 6 - 8.  Those are the ones who gave the most fair reviews in my opinion.

Because this game is not a 10 but its not a 1 either.

I do not get the 10 or 1 ratings. Seriously, just not right. I gave it a 5 on my rogue, but it went up to a 6 on my mage. The rogue got a five because the waves were such a pain in the ass.

[upsettingshorts]

erynnar wrote...

Then perhaps you should address that to the OP in topic or a PM?

Personally, it would seem more productive for people to stop playing amateur volunteer moderator and just follow the discussion the thread takes until an actual moderator deems it appropriately off-topic.  Otherwise, it's just an excuse to avoid answering follow-up questions.

Granted that assumes a greater level of maturity and and mutual respect than I've come to expect from the forums, so that's probably out of the question.

All that said, I'd be satisfied if people stopped throwing around terms like "disgusted" when it comes to issues like the OP raised.  From where I sit it makes such views impossible to take seriously.  But that may just be me.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 05 juin 2011 - 01:02 .

[Zanallen]

erynnar wrote...

I don't see it as bickering, and no one brought up those lovely put down names until you Zan. I take it as amusing debates. Your mileage may vary apparently. 

You haven't been paying close enough attention, eryn. The third post in this thread consists of nothing but the phrase "PC Elitist Babble". And there have been a number of other posts throughout the thread with various degrees of thinly veiled snark.

But, to not derail the thread, in a perfect world, then sure. The devs could make the PC version and then scale it back a bit for the console release. However, this is not a perfect world. The process is more than likely difficult, or at least far more difficult than the posters here would have me believe. And I hope you are all suggesting that the PC version is held back until the console version is done. I doubt that console players would stand for a TW2 style deal were the console port won't be out until several months after the PC version.

[Dragoonlordz]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Then perhaps you should address that to the OP in topic or a PM?

Personally, it would seem more productive for people to stop playing amateur volunteer moderator and just follow the discussion the thread takes until an actual moderator deems it appropriately off-topic.  Otherwise, it's just an excuse to avoid answering follow-up questions.

Granted that assumes a greater level of maturity and and mutual respect than I've come to expect from the forums, so that's probably out of the question.

All that said, I'd be satisfied if people stopped throwing around terms like "disgusted" when it comes to issues like the OP raised.  From where I sit it makes such views impossible to take seriously.  But that may just be me.

Without intervention by the time they came around it would have gone on far too long and be locked, there is nothing wrong with people asking others to get back on topic.

[ipgd]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Without intervention by the time they came around it would have gone on far too long and be locked, there is nothing wrong with people asking others to get back on topic.

And squabbling over what is or is not on topic is equally off-topic, in addition to being horribly unproductive, so let's try actually having a discussion instead of policing arbitrary topic boundaries.

Modifié par ipgd, 05 juin 2011 - 01:12 .

[upsettingshorts]

Except it was on-topic. By interpreting the topic narrowly when asked follow-up questions, actual conversation is stifled and grinds to a halt.

Case in point: If an individual - for example - had no issues with the PC UI, are they to be labeled a troll attempting to cite a flamewar?

[Lumikki]

I think there is small issues with orginal topic attitude.

It's based idea that Bioware does console first and then port it to PC. I don't think so, because few things. DirectX 11 support and high resolution textures. I don't mean to say that it's enough, but Bioware have had some consideration to keep PC version more up to date for PC-players needs.

Modifié par Lumikki, 05 juin 2011 - 01:16 .

[BrunoB1971]

i ll put a bad analogy of mine in this discussion:

the game debacle reminds me of this....something like someone deciding to put volkswagon set of brake on a ferrari, do you think that would fly off with the prospective owner?

sure there are both cars but very different cars...

same for da2, you dont put a console UI or design when you know that it can take more....

to each is own pushed to the max... some people cant afford a full jacked up pc and play using a console and i respect that but again as a gazillion time before you cant sacrifice quality and compromise across the board your rep will suffer...i hope this way of thinking does not spill over to the star wars mmo..it would be real sad...

[DragonRageGT]

BrunoB1971 wrote...

i ll put a bad analogy of mine in this discussion:

the game debacle reminds me of this....something like someone deciding to put volkswagon set of brake on a ferrari, do you think that would fly off with the prospective owner?

sure there are both cars but very different cars...

same for da2, you dont put a console UI or design when you know that it can take more....

to each is own pushed to the max... some people cant afford a full jacked up pc and play using a console and i respect that but again as a gazillion time before you cant sacrifice quality and compromise across the board your rep will suffer...i hope this way of thinking does not spill over to the star wars mmo..it would be real sad...

I agree that UI is bad, been saying that way before release but, I know a guy who had a Porsche engine in his Beetle and kicked azz in street racing in my home town! Wish they could do the same with DA2!

[BrunoB1971]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Except it was on-topic. By interpreting the topic narrowly when asked follow-up questions, actual conversation is stifled and grinds to a halt.

Case in point: If an individual - for example - had no issues with the PC UI, are they to be labeled a troll attempting to cite a flamewar?

it is not inciting a flame war, its talking about bad decision taken by a company and the refusal-denial to take the heat for their decisions... i have had bad mojo since i played the demo and no such aggravations with origins which i can say i completed and loved from a to z even if it had its own problems...

[BrunoB1971]

RageGT wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...

i ll put a bad analogy of mine in this discussion:

the game debacle reminds me of this....something like someone deciding to put volkswagon set of brake on a ferrari, do you think that would fly off with the prospective owner?

sure there are both cars but very different cars...

same for da2, you dont put a console UI or design when you know that it can take more....

to each is own pushed to the max... some people cant afford a full jacked up pc and play using a console and i respect that but again as a gazillion time before you cant sacrifice quality and compromise across the board your rep will suffer...i hope this way of thinking does not spill over to the star wars mmo..it would be real sad...

I agree that UI is bad, been saying that way before release but, I know a guy who had a Porsche engine in his Beetle and kicked azz in street racing in my home town! Wish they could do the same with DA2!

mmmmm... an enhanced director's edition  with a revised UI   ?  uh i doubt they would even go that far...


i think that at the moment all their plans for dlc and stuff have beens scraped and thrown out the window in favor of getting da3 out as soon as possible....they know they cant really redeem themselves at this point with this game...just do damage control anyone thinking else is gonna be sorely diaspointed.

[neppakyo]

Go to work, and come back to a mass of posts! Too much to reply to, I'll just make a few points.

As to pirating; The pirate scene is huge on the xbox360, as big are bigger than on the PC. You just have to visit torrents sites to see.

And to the PC games dying. Funny people still think this.

Bit of an old post but.. http://www.escapistm...Gets-PC-Centric

Seems Ubisoft will be developing for the PC.

And for the EA take.. http://www.twi8er.co...that-ea-thinks/

Facebook and PC games are the future EA thinks. There was another article I can't find thats older and said the PC market was the future of gaming.

Right now for EA console games are cheap money. Especially at the rate of subpar crap they released in recent years.

[ObserverStatus]

BrunoB1971 wrote...
those who choose to get a console should live with their limitations and i as
a pc player who upgrades his machine should not pay for the physical
and software barriers that console impose. i chose to invest in a pc to
get a better gaming experience but i should not pay for an xbox player
machine in terms of quality!!!!!!!!!!

Than take your PC back to the store.  Don't blame console gamers for the fact that you wasted your money.

[neppakyo]

bobobo878 wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...
those who choose to get a console should live with their limitations and i as
a pc player who upgrades his machine should not pay for the physical
and software barriers that console impose. i chose to invest in a pc to
get a better gaming experience but i should not pay for an xbox player
machine in terms of quality!!!!!!!!!!

Than take your PC back to the store.  Don't blame console gamers for the fact that you wasted your money.

Thats quite an utterly useless reply.

Its devs that are mostly to blame. And casual gamers

[BrunoB1971]

bobobo878 wrote...

BrunoB1971 wrote...
those who choose to get a console should live with their limitations and i as
a pc player who upgrades his machine should not pay for the physical
and software barriers that console impose. i chose to invest in a pc to
get a better gaming experience but i should not pay for an xbox player
machine in terms of quality!!!!!!!!!!

Than take your PC back to the store.  Don't blame console gamers for the fact that you wasted your money.

what are you talking about? i have mentionned many times that both pc and consoles should have received top notch versions of the game....the whole point of my thread was saying that the game was dumbed down to accomodate the development cycle of the game and it was doen across the board and thus what it could have been better for pc was not implemented.. in how many ways can you say the same phrase?