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[Dio Demon]

MUAHAHAHAHA my power grows (gives Nepp evil looking obsidian armour that gives 5 strength and 20 evilness)

[Abispa]

I wouldn't complain of DA2's shortcomings as much if Bioware was indeed breaking new ground in VG RPGs. The passage of time concept was handled better in Fable II, an older XBox 360 game that ran well on PC and probably would've run well on PS3 too. Assassin's Creed took place in a single city, as did GTA. DA:O had variety in its location (not saying they were all well designed, but at least they weren't identical).

In short, I don't blame DA2's failings on the decision to ensure a similar experience for multiple platforms, I blame the game creators for not delivering the goods when similar goals were achieved by older games.

[Sister Helen]

... Sigh...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

[Cutlass Jack]

Sister Helen wrote...

... Sigh...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

It would be the sensible thing to do. Of course if they did that we'd just complain about how their silence proves how much they hate us.

[Well]

Sister Helen wrote...

... Sigh...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

They are adults they can handle it.Some people will go overboard but that is what mods are for.

[Sister Helen]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sister Helen wrote...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

It would be the sensible thing to do. Of course if they did that we'd just complain about how their silence proves how much they hate us.

Um, why would silence prove anything?   Wouldn't it just be... you know... silence?

[steelfire_dragon]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

*Pc Elitist Babble*

Console elitist commentary


NOTE: this post was directed at the pc elitist babble and not the poster

[Stephen1981]

well if you look at what CD Projekt is doing with witcher 2 released first for PC now they are gonna port it to xbox 360 but not gonna be a straight port from the article i read they are trying to make it run great on xbox 360 so instead of releasing all 3 versions at once maybe bioware should take lessons from CD Projekt release one version at a time instead of all 3 at once

[John Epler]

Well wrote...

Sister Helen wrote...

... Sigh...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

They are adults they can handle it.Some people will go overboard but that is what mods are for.

Whether we're adults or not, civility is not a terrible burden to labour under. We're certainly not sitting at home, eating buckets of Ben and Jerry's while we cry ourselves to sleep because someone on the forums called us a mean name, but it does give one's argument significantly more weight if they can present it without resorting to insults or vitriol.

And this is a problem common across much of the forum, mind - not simply towards the developers. Though as a developer, I undoubtedly notice it most when it's directed our way. Still - it's not only possible but preferable to discuss things in a civil fashion.

As to why we post on these forums, well, for the most part the discourse -does- remain civil. Though to be completely fair, this seems to have been a bit of an off week. And while our every word can be dissected and analyzed to find fault or flaw (or, alternatively, to squeeze out every iota of information that might be gleaned), that's a danger with anyone who puts themselves in contact with the public. We understand and accept it as a possibility when we start posting on these forums.

[Realmzmaster]

Stephen1981 wrote...

well if you look at what CD Projekt is doing with witcher 2 released first for PC now they are gonna port it to xbox 360 but not gonna be a straight port from the article i read they are trying to make it run great on xbox 360 so instead of releasing all 3 versions at once maybe bioware should take lessons from CD Projekt release one version at a time instead of all 3 at once

So how do you decide who gets to wait for their release. Should the PC and Mac gamers come after the PS3 or XBox gamers? Or is it the other way around?
Or should they release for the platform that will make the most sales first and then worry about everyone else? How should the platforms queue up? How long is a gamer going to wait for their release time before they move on to a company that release on all the platforms at the same time?
If you take to long to release on my given platform will I still care?

[Ultor84]

I'm not sure that I can relate to OP's frustration, because I don't really need an overly elaborate UI for most games. Now if his/her outrage is more derived from the idea of console development throttling back what's possible on PC games, well, that's hardly a new phenomena, one I learned to live with years ago.

Follow the money. What platform did DA1 sell the most on? It wasn't PC. It wasn't even close. It's not rational to expect a company to make large investments that only a portion of it's users will even notice, much less actually use. Especially after said company is acquired by a publisher whose bread and butter is console games.

[Well]

JohnEpler wrote...

Well wrote...

Sister Helen wrote...

... Sigh...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

They are adults they can handle it.Some people will go overboard but that is what mods are for.

Whether we're adults or not, civility is not a terrible burden to labour under. We're certainly not sitting at home, eating buckets of Ben and Jerry's while we cry ourselves to sleep because someone on the forums called us a mean name, but it does give one's argument significantly more weight if they can present it without resorting to insults or vitriol.

And this is a problem common across much of the forum, mind - not simply towards the developers. Though as a developer, I undoubtedly notice it most when it's directed our way. Still - it's not only possible but preferable to discuss things in a civil fashion.

As to why we post on these forums, well, for the most part the discourse -does- remain civil. Though to be completely fair, this seems to have been a bit of an off week. And while our every word can be dissected and analyzed to find fault or flaw (or, alternatively, to squeeze out every iota of information that might be gleaned), that's a danger with anyone who puts themselves in contact with the public. We understand and accept it as a possibility when we start posting on these forums.

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

erynnar wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

erynnar wrote...

I don't see it as bickering, and no one brought up those lovely put down names until you Zan. I take it as amusing debates. Your mileage may vary apparently. 

You haven't been paying close enough attention, eryn. The third post in this thread consists of nothing but the phrase "PC Elitist Babble". And there have been a number of other posts throughout the thread with various degrees of thinly veiled snark.

But, to not derail the thread, in a perfect world, then sure. The devs could make the PC version and then scale it back a bit for the console release. However, this is not a perfect world. The process is more than likely difficult, or at least far more difficult than the posters here would have me believe. And I hope you are all suggesting that the PC version is held back until the console version is done. I doubt that console players would stand for a TW2 style deal were the console port won't be out until several months after the PC version.

I know I was teasing you! Silly! I was teasing UpsettingShorts too! You guys take me too seriously, seriously! 

I like you both, what do I have to do to make you two laugh? Hmmmm *gets out Groucho Marx glasses, a chimpanzee, and a pair of rubber pants* Will these work?

Angry Pants loves teasing, he told me so.

[John Epler]

Well wrote...

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

At the risk of dragging this off-topic - I worked retail for four years. It can be very unpleasant, and folks can be tremendous jerks. However, the internet offers something that seems to enable some even worse antisocial behaviour in people - the veil of anonymity.

And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They're also entitled to share it as they see fit - however, if you're telling someone they're a failure at their job and deserve to be fired, don't be surprised when your other opinions are coloured by your behaviour. We've got thick skins and it (personally) takes quite a lot to faze me, but that doesn't mean we aren't people who will occasionally see things through the lens of emotion. 

I'm certainly not suggesting that people shouldn't share their opinions if they're negative, as I believe these forums should be about discussion regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, but I am saying that there needs to be an increase in the level of civility while sharing that opinion. If I see people rationally and politely discussing what they believe about a particular feature or aspect of the game, I'm far more likely to pay close attention than if I see people ganging up on each other for having differing opnions.

[erynnar]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sister Helen wrote...

... Sigh...

I honestly feel bad for Bioware employees who dare to post on the forums. Every word, every phrase, every spelling error is parsed by a couple hundred people and reposted and complained about, etc. ad infinitum.

Frankly, if I'd probably just give the whole posting thing a miss if I were them. Seems like a lot of grief to go through.

It would be the sensible thing to do. Of course if they did that we'd just complain about how their silence proves how much they hate us.

And that is just friggin' pathetic in its truthfulness, sad to say. That is exactly what would happen, ugh!

[erynnar]

JohnEpler wrote...

Well wrote...

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

At the risk of dragging this off-topic - I worked retail for four years. It can be very unpleasant, and folks can be tremendous jerks. However, the internet offers something that seems to enable some even worse antisocial behaviour in people - the veil of anonymity.

And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They're also entitled to share it as they see fit - however, if you're telling someone they're a failure at their job and deserve to be fired, don't be surprised when your other opinions are coloured by your behaviour. We've got thick skins and it (personally) takes quite a lot to faze me, but that doesn't mean we aren't people who will occasionally see things through the lens of emotion. 

I'm certainly not suggesting that people shouldn't share their opinions if they're negative, as I believe these forums should be about discussion regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, but I am saying that there needs to be an increase in the level of civility while sharing that opinion. If I see people rationally and politely discussing what they believe about a particular feature or aspect of the game, I'm far more likely to pay close attention than if I see people ganging up on each other for having differing opnions.

Wait, you don't sit at home eating Ben and Jerry's?  Not the crying part, but no ice cream? Now that makes me cry, and want some ice cream! Darn you John!

I used to work retail too, I know you're pain. And yes, the intertubes are great for giving one that wall of obscurity to hide behind. Bleh!

[erynnar]

Abispa wrote...

I wouldn't complain of DA2's shortcomings as much if Bioware was indeed breaking new ground in VG RPGs. The passage of time concept was handled better in Fable II, an older XBox 360 game that ran well on PC and probably would've run well on PS3 too. Assassin's Creed took place in a single city, as did GTA. DA:O had variety in its location (not saying they were all well designed, but at least they weren't identical).

In short, I don't blame DA2's failings on the decision to ensure a similar experience for multiple platforms, I blame the game creators for not delivering the goods when similar goals were achieved by older games.

Hmm, I hadn't played those other games. I didn't know about them (well Assassin's Creed, I've had my eye on it considering it).  Food for thought Abispa! You have given me something to ponder.

[MDarwin]

Ultor84 wrote...

I'm not sure that I can relate to OP's frustration, because I don't really need an overly elaborate UI for most games. Now if his/her outrage is more derived from the idea of console development throttling back what's possible on PC games, well, that's hardly a new phenomena, one I learned to live with years ago.

Follow the money. What platform did DA1 sell the most on? It wasn't PC. It wasn't even close. It's not rational to expect a company to make large investments that only a portion of it's users will even notice, much less actually use. Especially after said company is acquired by a publisher whose bread and butter is console games.

Your right on that. But it sold more only, on the "combined Console Brand", than the PC Version.

[Tommy6860]

JohnEpler wrote...

Well wrote...

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

At the risk of dragging this off-topic - I worked retail for four years. It can be very unpleasant, and folks can be tremendous jerks. However, the internet offers something that seems to enable some even worse antisocial behaviour in people - the veil of anonymity.

And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They're also entitled to share it as they see fit - however, if you're telling someone they're a failure at their job and deserve to be fired, don't be surprised when your other opinions are coloured by your behaviour. We've got thick skins and it (personally) takes quite a lot to faze me, but that doesn't mean we aren't people who will occasionally see things through the lens of emotion. 

I'm certainly not suggesting that people shouldn't share their opinions if they're negative, as I believe these forums should be about discussion regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, but I am saying that there needs to be an increase in the level of civility while sharing that opinion. If I see people rationally and politely discussing what they believe about a particular feature or aspect of the game, I'm far more likely to pay close attention than if I see people ganging up on each other for having differing opnions.

This^ to be honest, I try to void threads with even a hint of a discussion branching off into factional sniping. I just read the thread title and thought, "meh, this again". Though there are times when I see a well though otu reply that catches my eye, I will respond. I know I can sometimes be a bit opinionated, but I really try to step in the shoes of the other person as well. Yes, there are those who grate me, but I won't say it publicly here and I still try to discuss it with as much civility as possible; once a personal attack happens, I walk away.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 05 juin 2011 - 06:57 .

[erynnar]

Tommy6860 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Well wrote...

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

At the risk of dragging this off-topic - I worked retail for four years. It can be very unpleasant, and folks can be tremendous jerks. However, the internet offers something that seems to enable some even worse antisocial behaviour in people - the veil of anonymity.

And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They're also entitled to share it as they see fit - however, if you're telling someone they're a failure at their job and deserve to be fired, don't be surprised when your other opinions are coloured by your behaviour. We've got thick skins and it (personally) takes quite a lot to faze me, but that doesn't mean we aren't people who will occasionally see things through the lens of emotion. 

I'm certainly not suggesting that people shouldn't share their opinions if they're negative, as I believe these forums should be about discussion regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, but I am saying that there needs to be an increase in the level of civility while sharing that opinion. If I see people rationally and politely discussing what they believe about a particular feature or aspect of the game, I'm far more likely to pay close attention than if I see people ganging up on each other for having differing opnions.

This^ to be honest, I try to void threads with even a hint of a discussion branching off into factional sniping. I just read the thread title and thought, "meh, this again". Though there are times when I see a well though otu reply that catches my eye, I will respond. I know I can sometimes be a bit opinionated, but I really try to step in the shoes of the other person as well. Yes, there are those who grate me, but I won't say it publicly here and I still try to discuss it with as much civility as possible; once a personal attack happens, I walk away.

That's why your classy and why I like you so much.

I am opinionated too, and I try to do what you do too. And I try for snark, which get's taken seriously sometimes when I don't mean for it to be taken as anything but funny *sigh* (humor failure, must work on it).

[Well]

JohnEpler wrote...

Well wrote...

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

At the risk of dragging this off-topic - I worked retail for four years. It can be very unpleasant, and folks can be tremendous jerks. However, the internet offers something that seems to enable some even worse antisocial behaviour in people - the veil of anonymity.

And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They're also entitled to share it as they see fit - however, if you're telling someone they're a failure at their job and deserve to be fired, don't be surprised when your other opinions are coloured by your behaviour. We've got thick skins and it (personally) takes quite a lot to faze me, but that doesn't mean we aren't people who will occasionally see things through the lens of emotion. 

I'm certainly not suggesting that people shouldn't share their opinions if they're negative, as I believe these forums should be about discussion regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, but I am saying that there needs to be an increase in the level of civility while sharing that opinion. If I see people rationally and politely discussing what they believe about a particular feature or aspect of the game, I'm far more likely to pay close attention than if I see people ganging up on each other for having differing opnions.

There have been some that went over the line.I just dont see the majority doing that.As far as the internet well sure there are some desk bound commandos puffing out their chest and talking out the wrong end.I should say typing a bunch of garbage.True the veil of anonymity does bring out the worst in some people.Well I dont disagree with you on discussion being more civil.The mods have jumped in to say hey people have the right to their opinion.Even when it was it was complains against the game.Well maybe some folks need to walk away from their comps and step outside for a few.I am probably one of them.

[Tommy6860]

erynnar wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Well wrote...

With few exceptions I don't believe there is anyone going overboard.Yes some will push their point.Still it just seems mild to me.To be honest I think it would be tougher working at Mc Donalds having someone in your face grumbling about you shorting them a few fries.

At the risk of dragging this off-topic - I worked retail for four years. It can be very unpleasant, and folks can be tremendous jerks. However, the internet offers something that seems to enable some even worse antisocial behaviour in people - the veil of anonymity.

And once again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. They're also entitled to share it as they see fit - however, if you're telling someone they're a failure at their job and deserve to be fired, don't be surprised when your other opinions are coloured by your behaviour. We've got thick skins and it (personally) takes quite a lot to faze me, but that doesn't mean we aren't people who will occasionally see things through the lens of emotion. 

I'm certainly not suggesting that people shouldn't share their opinions if they're negative, as I believe these forums should be about discussion regardless of what side of the fence you fall on, but I am saying that there needs to be an increase in the level of civility while sharing that opinion. If I see people rationally and politely discussing what they believe about a particular feature or aspect of the game, I'm far more likely to pay close attention than if I see people ganging up on each other for having differing opnions.

This^ to be honest, I try to void threads with even a hint of a discussion branching off into factional sniping. I just read the thread title and thought, "meh, this again". Though there are times when I see a well though otu reply that catches my eye, I will respond. I know I can sometimes be a bit opinionated, but I really try to step in the shoes of the other person as well. Yes, there are those who grate me, but I won't say it publicly here and I still try to discuss it with as much civility as possible; once a personal attack happens, I walk away.

That's why your classy and why I like you so much.

I am opinionated too, and I try to do what you do too. And I try for snark, which get's taken seriously sometimes when I don't mean for it to be taken as anything but funny *sigh* (humor failure, must work on it).

No, it's because you're a classy girl :wub:.

Most of my personality is a result of my mother and many of my female friends :-). As a result, I don't fit in with the macho crowd too well, which is fine by me..

[Droma]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Stephen1981 wrote...

well if you look at what CD Projekt is doing with witcher 2 released first for PC now they are gonna port it to xbox 360 but not gonna be a straight port from the article i read they are trying to make it run great on xbox 360 so instead of releasing all 3 versions at once maybe bioware should take lessons from CD Projekt release one version at a time instead of all 3 at once

So how do you decide who gets to wait for their release. Should the PC and Mac gamers come after the PS3 or XBox gamers? Or is it the other way around?
Or should they release for the platform that will make the most sales first and then worry about everyone else? How should the platforms queue up? How long is a gamer going to wait for their release time before they move on to a company that release on all the platforms at the same time?
If you take to long to release on my given platform will I still care?

easy question! of cause my plattform should be optimized first and the other can wait!!!

and that is the problem here, selfish people. optimizing a game for pc and then "dumbing it down" for consoles costs money and time (you can see that with TW2, let's see when it actually will be released for xbox) and the company has to decide if this will pay off. but some experts here on this threads seem to totally knew that they would make more money if they had optimized it for pc first! there was actually a good answer on this topic here, i will edit the quote later. the OP (and some others here on this thread) or so focused on their plattform (which is pc) that they demand on more support for the pc version of the game, allthough every optimzation for pc is useless for any console player. i really have nothing against that, but why should bioware throw a lot of ressources into something only a few of their costumers can use?

edit: here is the quote

iOnlySignIn wrote...

OP, have you ever had the experience of not buying something you wanted because you didn't have enough money?

Or selecting a movie to go to with your friends that ALL of them will like, despite their differing tastes?

Have
you ever went on jogging with a group of people, but deliberately slow
down a bit so that the slower and weaker among the group will not get
left behind and embarrassed?

Seriously, how long have you been in this world?

think about it.

Modifié par Droma, 05 juin 2011 - 07:41 .

[Ulous]

Question?

Why should Bioware and/or any other developer be held responsible for someone forking out extra cash to build/own a gaming PC?

If people are not satisfied with the games being released for their faveourite platform then you should be taking it up with whoever provides your hardware surely?

[HTTP 404]

Ulous wrote...

Question?

Why should Bioware and/or any other developer be held responsible for someone forking out extra cash to build/own a gaming PC?

If people are not satisfied with the games being released for their faveourite platform then you should be taking it up with whoever provides your hardware surely?

they shouldnt... the marketing just won't support a pure PC only game with a big budget.  I agree that consoles in some sense hold the PC market back but in reality the next push for greater graphics just won't come with the current generation of consoles. 

As to people ever being safisfied?  I really shouldn't have to answer that.