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[Grunt Lord]

asari 6 (can mate with any Spieces)
humans 5
vorcha 6
turians 4
salarians 4
Krogen 3 ( demo had mordin solis trying to save cured krogen female so i wonder if it should be highter)
Batarians 3
Geth 5 (strogest race in ships and shields, or more)
Quarians 3 (one of favorite but see great weakness... could the geth possablie help by renforcing them?)
Hanar 1
Volis 1
Drell .5
VI's 7 can survive from shut downs low powered and think back to ilos
others unknown

[Rebel666]

Asaris and Turians would definitely survive - Turians have their great military and can build immensely powerful ships. Asaris can reproduce with any species and can repopulate their numbers in one lifetime due to their long lifespans.

[WizenSlinky0]

DoNotIngest wrote...

From adding together the last two
posts, it seems to me that the biggest threat to the Migrant Fleet would
be fleeing Pilgrims returning en mass, and having indoctrinated ones
board. Assuming the Reapers did hatch such a plan; They seem to enjoy
indoctrinating council races and humans in particular.


Other
than that, I don't see why the Fleet couldn't just high-tail it across
the galaxy. From what I've read on how quickly they can strip a planet
of resources, it seems like they could keep themselves going
indefinitely, if they found enough sources of Quarian-safe food (which
they'd probably have a way of making with raw materials on their ships).
It'd just be a matter of luck if they could evade the Reapers until
they got bored and returned to Dark Space (which I believe is entirely
possible; they feel so superior, I doubt they'd stay around for more
than a few decades if they doubted the Quarians' prowess, a couple of
centuries at the most if they thought they were a real threat). Sure,
they spent many decades wiping out the Protheans, but that was doing
their favourite activity; Planet-sacking. As opposed to trying to find a
cluster of ships zipping around the Milky Way. Much less entertaining.
It'd be like taking away a lizard's chubby mealworms that lumber around
on the ground in front of it, and putting it in a large, cluttered room
with a fruit fly. Won't be interested in it for long.

Indoctrination would be a big threat. Once indoctrinated they keep part of their mind and would therefore still remember their passcode for returning to the fleet as an "ally". However, I think part of this risk might be stemmed by Quarians high community based system. The 'oddities' present in someone who is acting as an indoctrinated servant are more likely to be caught by a speciesn that puts heavy importance on interaction and social contact.

Unfortunatly they would unlikely allow the Quarians to just fly away. Since their biggest strength tends to lie in surprise, leaving a tech faring race alive for another 50k years is a big no-no. If the Quarians weren't so well known (if hard to pin-point) in the galaxy then they might be able to fly away before the reapers started looking for them. But it's unlikely.

Bearcut wrote...
My
point about the Quarians is, without a homeworld, if they do become
involved in the war, heavy losses will happen to the fleet, as most of
the ships will probably succumb to a single shot from a reaper. The
population decrease from the war plus the other factors already hounding
them make their long-term survival after war the unlikely.

However,
I would like to think that if the Quarians took part in the war against
the Reaper, and survived, that the remaining species (if any) would at
least lend them more than a hand at rebuilding their empire. The Council
has basically doomed them to extinction by not allowing them to
colonize any Dextro worlds, giving them all to the Turians. And they
doomed themselves with the Geth.

If there is Geth-Quarian peace,
and if they survive the war, and IF they re-adapt to their home planet,
then the Quarians will survive. But thats alot of ifs.

From what we've seen a single shot to almost all ships from a reaper will cause them to be destroyed. Only took one shot to most of humanitys best ships to decimate them. Once you're through the shielding the battle is over. The hull can't take a lot of punishment.

But since most of the Quarian fleet has been militarized to some degree there's a chance the combined firepower of their ships, if they aren't caught by surprise, could be used in a surprisingly effective fashion. Their problem will be sustainable. Their ships will get picked off fast and they wouldn't hold up alone.

It's highly likely they'd drop off their civilian population on almost ANY planet before attacking. It'd be stupid not to. They have their suites, they'll hold, even if it isn't their homeworld. I can see a currently un-harvested planet allowing temperary sanctuary for Quarian civilians in order to return to normal crew sizes for the battles.

But their long-term survivability WILL depend on if they find a place to call their own.

Robhuzz wrote...

Hull breech? You saw what sovereign did
to that turian cruiser in ME1. With this many quarian ships close
together the other reapers could just barge through, destroyed hundreds
of ships. Not only that but tali stated that 'some ships date back from
our original flight of the geth' and 'most of them were salvaged
wrecks'. No matter what their purpose is, be they storage or warships,
nothing less than a state of the art ship has any chance of withstanding
even the weakest of reaper attacks. Hell, no one even knows if a fully
upgraded normandy SR-2 would withstand an attack from a reaper... That
thing is (imo) as state of the art as it gets.

What I mean to say
by this is actually: I don't see how any fleet could withstand the
reapers as it is, maybe the geth could through sheer numbers but even
they won't be able to keep that up forever.

@TUHD

The way I
remember I think it's stated most of the quarian population lives on
the 3 big liveships, one of which you enter during tali's loyalty
mission. But for the subject of this topic it doesn't matter: If they
are destroyed, the quarians lose most of their food and their leaders so
they'll be pretty much doomed anyways.

It's not like the Quarian ships are going to line up infront of a reaper and let it plow right through them. Reaper weaponry has been shown to, mostly, be a one shot-one ship. Which does give the Quarians an advantage of sheer numbers until those start to dwindle.

The reapers, so far, have not shown "weaker" attacks...they basically destroy any ship in one hit. I would assume a dreadnaught should be able to take a bit more punishment, but anything below that, and yeah. It just comes down to how many ships you lose before bringing down its shields. And with 50,000 ships firing at you...I've got to guess even a reaper can't take that kind of punishment long. Old ships or not.

NO race has the ability to sustain a full-on frontal war with the reapers though. But the Quarians are highly underestimated.

But yes, if those live ships go down, they are pretty much done without outside aid. However pinning down the Quarians when they aren't passing through your system is a task, and Quarians are unlikely to allow those ships to become vunerable except through sabotage possibly.

Most of the Quarian population doesn't however live on those ships (not that it matters). They ALL have mandatory shifts where they have to work on the liveships producing and harvesting food, and I'm sure they fill all spare space on the ships with people, but they do  that with every ship they have. The live ships are important only because of their need in order to keep the fleet fed.

[Kronner]

Definitely quarians in my game, because Shep couldn't care less about them.

[Bearcut]

50,000 Ships could probably drop a Reaper pretty quick - assuming that those 50,000 ships all have weapons. The Quarians are no doubt a formidable ally in any naval battle, and could probably put up a good fight against the Reapers. After all, they have protected themselves from attacks, and no other races have tried to "bully" them out of system, instead preferring to give them incentive to leave. It's obvious that they do have significant naval military presence, and probably posses superior knowledge of large scale naval tactics, having to protect their fleet when it is on the move, and having successfully done so for the past 300 years.

However, I rate their survivability low not because of weakness, but because of their already endangered status, and the Achilles heal they posses, in the form of Liveships. Reapers are bound to know that the Liveships are crucial to Quarian survival.

But, perhaps I should give them more credit. Even if the Liveships are taken out, it's not as if the Turians couldn't provide foodstuffs and sterilize it. It's just that until now, nobody has lifted a finger to help them. After a war, people are greedy and beaten. I have a hard time believe an entire galaxy will change their opinions of the Quarians overnight.

A Quarian-Geth alliance is their best chance but I bet Admiral Daro'Xen will screw that one up bad.

Modifié par Bearcut, 07 juin 2011 - 07:13 .

[Bearcut]

Kronner wrote...

Definitely quarians in my game, because Shep couldn't care less about them.

Oh wow, another "Quarians suck" post. At least add something to the argument.

[Antivenger]

A few people said Keepers would survive? I doubt that. The Reapers realise that they can be manipulated now, and they can easily brainwash the Geth to replace them. Synthetic superiority plays a large part too.

[arne1234]

Quarians do have the added advantage that their envirosuits make it difficult for the geth to detect them. (Veetor was the only lifeform that wasn't found).
Also because they are not allowed to have a homeworld they are the species that is most likely to have secretly build a hidden base that can support a large part of their population... There are a lot of if's with the quarians.

[Foryou]

Qurians have the worst chance due to they have space as a home that's it. All they need to do is blow up a ship.
The Geth I guess are endangered due to that they are machines that can be hacked.

[CliffShepard]

Elcor actually can fight. In the codex it says that elcor soldiers use implanted vi systems to make them faster physically and mentally. They also mount large tank and ship weapons on their shoulders to fight, and are very durable, and can take a lot of damage. I say most elcor that aren't on their homeworld would be killed, but the ones on their homeplanet could handle themselves. Overall I give them a 3.5

[CliffShepard]

Elcor actually can fight. In the codex it says that elcor soldiers use implanted vi systems to make them faster physically and mentally. They also mount large tank and ship weapons on their shoulders to fight, and are very durable, and can take a lot of damage. I say most elcor that aren't on their homeworld would be killed, but the ones on their homeplanet could handle themselves. Overall I give them a 3.5

[Phategod1]

pyjacks

[Bearcut]

If Elcor's lived and grew up in high gravity, you'd think they be like ultra strong and fast compared to other species. No, this is not a Dragonball reference, I've never even seen that show.

[Black Raptor]

Bearcut wrote...

If Elcor's lived and grew up in high gravity, you'd think they be like ultra strong and fast compared to other species. No, this is not a Dragonball reference, I've never even seen that show.

Would generally be the case for smaller planets (eg humans would be stronger than equivalent aliens from Mars) but the elcor homeworld has such high gravity it is a struggle to even exist. 

Simply put they never evolved speed because the dangers of falling. 

[Goose4291]

Bearcut wrote...
 
Quarians (1)- They are already on the endangered species list, and having the largest fleet in the galaxy will more than likely make them a priority target for the Reapers. Not to mention that the loss of one Quarian vessel will result in the loss of several generations of Quarians. Their immune system problems combined with Dextro-DNA will make recovery from severe losses in the war difficult, and maybe even impossible, especially considering they have met nothing but disdain from other known races. They have yet to colonize any worlds, even as an outpost. Retaking the homeworld is probably the only chance they have, and even then, they are probably screwed as a species, simply because the war will most likely begin before they have a chance to recolonize. I would like to give them a point for resourcefulness but... I'm talking long term here. They haven't done much but decline in 300 years.

You're wrong.. once the galaxy has been wiped out the ragtag Quarian fleet will begin it's journey to search for the 13th tribe of Quarians, whilst being pursued by the remainder of the Geth 

Modifié par Goose4291, 07 juin 2011 - 10:30 .

[Bearcut]

Goose4291 wrote...

You're wrong.. once the galaxy has been wiped out the ragtag Quarian fleet will begin it's journey to search for the 13th tribe of Quarians, whilst being pursued by the remainder of the Geth 

Is that 13th Fleet a real thing? I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

[arne1234]

Quarians are mainly based on the battlestar galactica series and the 13 tribes is a reference from that show.

The orginal series played back in the 80's and it has recently been remastered. In this series they manage to drop of their people on a habtiable planet but the fleet is destroyed and their forced into a pre-industrial lifestyle. This could be a possible outcome for of the reapers win

[Black Raptor]

Bearcut wrote...

Goose4291 wrote...

You're wrong.. once the galaxy has been wiped out the ragtag Quarian fleet will begin it's journey to search for the 13th tribe of Quarians, whilst being pursued by the remainder of the Geth 

Is that 13th Fleet a real thing? I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

I'm not a fan, but I believe it has something to do with battlestar galactica. That show where humans create a race of sentient machines which then proceed to try and kill the humans so the they flee into space on a fleet of ships.

Sound familiar? 

[Antivenger]

WOAH HEY LOOK, APPARENTLY I MISSED SOMETHING. Beware, spoiler ahead!

Spoilers (highlight) : Interstellar dickwad Shepard is going around making friends, but he can only make friends with certain races. Krogan vs Salarian, Quarians vs Geth. Looks like half of the races listed now have their chances downgraded to 1 or 0.

Modifié par Antivenger, 08 juin 2011 - 10:37 .

[arne1234]

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[arne1234]

arne1234 wrote...

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[78stonewobble]

Assuming we "loose" instead of winning and the reapers go on a killing spree.

Humans will survive because IMHO (and slightly negative outlook on ourselves): cockroaches, rats and humans just WILL survive anything. In that order.

Uhm. I think you underestimate the Quarians way too much. They might be biologically vulnerable but they have generations of experience in living on ships only. Which means they can hide anywhere in the galaxy. Space is big and if you dont need a certain type of planet? Well... Can't catch them.

[ReallyRue]

I pretty much agree with the OP's list, although I'd put the asari higher than humans because of their lifespan, biotics, inter-species breeding, political/military power, etc. And the fact that giant space cthulhus are not focused on them. I'd also put the volus just as low as the quarians, who have at least some combat ability and a fleet of ships (where as the volus rely on the turians for military protection, right?).

[Pride Demon]

Bearcut wrote...

If Elcor's lived and grew up in high gravity, you'd think they be like ultra strong and fast compared to other species. No, this is not a Dragonball reference, I've never even seen that show.

You are certaintly right about the strength: I don't remember where it's mentioned (probably one of the books) but Elcor are described as being strong enough to punch their way through a bulkhead in normal gravity worlds, and their military basically wears something akin to Shoulder Cannons (basically they become living tanks)...

Knowing this makes it more clear why Aria T'Loak employs an Elcor bouncer... ;P

The ranking of batarians is also on the line... due to something that is a *spoiler*, so I can't post it here... :/

[Bearcut]

Yeah i'm going to start ignoring the forums - i've already learned more about ME3 then I wanted to know... so I'm going to try to avoid ME3 news pretty heavily. I haven't read any previews, exc...

8 Months to go!