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[expanding panic]

Bearcut wrote...

Yeah i'm going to start ignoring the forums - i've already learned more about ME3 then I wanted to know... so I'm going to try to avoid ME3 news pretty heavily. I haven't read any previews, exc...

8 Months to go!

IM with you. its hard

[Zaxares]

To the OP: "Amused. I can bowl through an entire platoon of Husks like toy soldiers with one charge." The fact that most of the elcor live on high gravity worlds means that the Husks will likely be at a severe disadvantage when attempting an invasion, since the Husks do not appear to have any innate mass-effect fields or technology capable of generating such. Of course, the elcor would still have not much of a recourse against Reaper orbital bombardment, but still!

As much as I love the quarians, I have to admit that they will get the short end of the stick during a Reaper invasion. Since their race is entirely fleet-bound, they cannot simply run and hide on a planet as other races can. The Reapers could obliterate the entire Migrant Fleet in a single pitched battle, and the individual ships don't have the option of fleeing, since if they do, they no longer have access to the food and supplies provided by the Liveships. (In fact, all the Reapers need to do is warp in, destroy the 3 Liveships, and the entire quarian race is screwed.)

I'm honestly quite curious to know just HOW the organic races will manage to fight back against the Reapers. As powerful as they are, all the Reapers would need to do is send 10 - 20 of them to each and every Mass Relay to blockade them. This would cut off all supply routes and communications throughout the galaxy, and fragment the Citadel races so they can't form a cohesive and organised defense, let alone a counterattack. The Citadel itself (and likely most of the core homeworlds) would rapidly run out of food since there's no way it can produce enough food to feed its citizens (I imagine most food is grown on "farm worlds" like Eden Prime and then exported to other locations), and law and order would quickly break down. (Even seen food riots?) The Reapers then just need to sit and wait for a few months, and you can bet that the majority of the organic races will be "begging to serve them", just as Harbinger predicted.

[Bearcut]

Zaxares wrote...

To the OP: "Amused. I can bowl through an entire platoon of Husks like toy soldiers with one charge." The fact that most of the elcor live on high gravity worlds means that the Husks will likely be at a severe disadvantage when attempting an invasion, since the Husks do not appear to have any innate mass-effect fields or technology capable of generating such. Of course, the elcor would still have not much of a recourse against Reaper orbital bombardment, but still!

"Terrified; I cannot escape the death from above. With resignation; beam me up, god."

Zaxares wrote...

As much as I love the quarians, I have to admit that they will get the short end of the stick during a Reaper invasion. Since their race is entirely fleet-bound, they cannot simply run and hide on a planet as other races can. The Reapers could obliterate the entire Migrant Fleet in a single pitched battle, and the individual ships don't have the option of fleeing, since if they do, they no longer have access to the food and supplies provided by the Liveships. (In fact, all the Reapers need to do is warp in, destroy the 3 Liveships, and the entire quarian race is screwed.)

Some people did make a good point that the fleet is mobile, and as long as those Liveships are protected, they'll be fine. So it's kind of an advantage and disadvantage at the same time. I have a hard time believing that the Quarians will tuck tail and run through. I'm sure they'd have enough of that after fleeing the homeworld.

Zaxares wrote...

I'm honestly quite curious to know just HOW the organic races will manage to fight back against the Reapers. As powerful as they are, all the Reapers would need to do is send 10 - 20 of them to each and every Mass Relay to blockade them. This would cut off all supply routes and communications throughout the galaxy, and fragment the Citadel races so they can't form a cohesive and organised defense, let alone a counterattack. The Citadel itself (and likely most of the core homeworlds) would rapidly run out of food since there's no way it can produce enough food to feed its citizens (I imagine most food is grown on "farm worlds" like Eden Prime and then exported to other locations), and law and order would quickly break down. (Even seen food riots?) The Reapers then just need to sit and wait for a few months, and you can bet that the majority of the organic races will be "begging to serve them", just as Harbinger predicted.

"You just had to give them Tactical advice, didn't you!"
-Shepard

Edit: This is similar to my biological warfare idea. After all, they already released a plague on Omega. I'm sure they could wipe out every species in existence without ever setting foot (lobster claw?) in the Milky Way. Of course, all it took was one Dr. Solus to cure that plague...

The reapers Hubris will be their downfall! They will be begging to SERVE US! AND WE WILL SHOW THEM NO MERCY!

WE SHALL TELL THEM WE HAVE SLEPT WITH THEIR WIVES BEFORE THEY DIE!!!

Modifié par Bearcut, 09 juin 2011 - 10:37 .

[78stonewobble]

A little addition to the situation with the quarians.

They could disperse their 50.000 ships. Which would make them even harder to track down.

... They could hide in dark space... :S ... Get thrown back in time and come back as reapers?!?

No wait. Thats a trekkie style temporal paradox. Iffy

[Bearcut]

No, they can't disperse them because the crews of those ships would starve.

[78stonewobble]

Bearcut wrote...

No, they can't disperse them because the crews of those ships would starve.

Hmm good point. However theres 3 live ships right? Thats atleast 3 places where some of the fleet could resupply.

A nuclear submarine can pretty much stay under water for aslong as they have food (they can make fresh water out of salt water).  

If the quarians only need to survive for the next 50.000 years of peace they could stock  ALOT of supplies on all the ships. Rip out the guns and use the extra space.

Besides you probably only need to have 100.000 people to survive and rebuild out of 17.000.000.

[arne1234]

the mass effect universe does has cryo (Jack was frozen at the start right?) any species could have made a ark freezing a couple of people for 500 years or so together with a couple of 100 tanks they use to make krogan. Then they could ride out the reaper attack and let them return to darkspace before the wake up afther that using only a 100 tanks you could theoreticly repopulate very quickly. Especially The quarians would benefit with such a hidden base as it gives them a back-up if anything ever happens to the flotilla. It would gave been the logical thing to build during the impasse their in for the last 300 years

[Bearcut]

arne1234 wrote...

the mass effect universe does has cryo (Jack was frozen at the start right?) any species could have made a ark freezing a couple of people for 500 years or so together with a couple of 100 tanks they use to make krogan. Then they could ride out the reaper attack and let them return to darkspace before the wake up afther that using only a 100 tanks you could theoreticly repopulate very quickly. Especially The quarians would benefit with such a hidden base as it gives them a back-up if anything ever happens to the flotilla. It would gave been the logical thing to build during the impasse their in for the last 300 years

Only one major problem with this...

The galaxy has yet to accept the existence of the Reapers.

[jamesp81]

Humans: 2.5. This is mostly because of the geopolitical situation. Approximately 99% of the human race resides on Earth. The total loss of Earth would be the END of humanity as anything other than an endangered sentient species. If we were spread out more like the other races, we'd be rating a 5. But we're not....we've got all our eggs in one basket, and while our military in ME is powerful for our size, it's still smaller than that of the other races.

Turians: 4. They're well spread out and have the largest fleet. -1 point for dextro chirality for long term survival.

Quarians: 0. There's a chance they'd go extinct even without an invasion. On the brink already, dextro chirality....they're toast.

Asari: 2. The Asari are not well known for their ability to wage large scale conventional warfare, although their guerilla warfare capabilities are substantial. Their limited strategic warfare capabilities leaves them unlikely to make it.

Salarians: 2. Salarians, like the Asari, are not as good at large scale conventional warfare as humans, turians, or krogan. I was going to rate them 1 since their fleet is even smaller than the Asari, but given their past, there is a chance they might develop a wide scale cybernetic or biological weapon which might kill Reapers, so they get +1 bonus point for experience with WMDs.

Krogan: 1. They have no fleet, so all battles would be fought on the ground. They have virtually no chance once indoctrination starts to take hold.

Elcor: 0. Can these guys even fight at all?

Hanar: 0. Very small military, no ground combat capabilities.

Rachni: 4. The Rachni are good at large scale conventional warfare, and their ability to breed and construct ships rapidly gives them an advantage. They can recover, even in a relatively short period, from losses that would spell the doom of any of the other species. Also, having faced indoctrination once before, they have a good chance of devising a countermeasure against it.

Geth: 3.  Was going to rate them a 4, but seeing how the Reapers have already demonstrated an ability to use viral attacks against them, I have my doubts.  It's not known how quickly Geth can replace losses.

Modifié par jamesp81, 09 juin 2011 - 02:31 .

[jamesp81]

Bearcut wrote...

TheCerberus14 wrote...

I would say humans have a much less chance to survive just because they are the primary target the reapers are going after for whatever their plans are.

Yeah, Earth is probably screwed. But chances are if we win the war, the human race will not be wiped out. My point is we will survive.

No, sorry, we won't.  The loss of Earth implies the near complete destruction of the Alliance military, and the colonies (those that survive) do not have the economy to support a military.  What little remains of humanity would exist in a twilight, lingering existence as slaves to various thug groups, or perhaps in a best cased scenario, someone else's client race.

If you want to save humanity in ME3, you have to be able to save Earth while the population is still measured in 'billions' and not 'hundreds of thousands'.

[78stonewobble]

I think turians are overrated. I think that the bigger military threat the bigger a target you are.

[jamesp81]

On the other hand, they are (apparently) the main focus of this Reaper invasion and since they have been in the galactic community for quite a short time: most of the population and the majority of the industrial, political and military complex remain on the homeworld, Earth.
Since we know already Earth gets invaded at the very beginning of the game and isn’t retaken till the final battle at the endgame that gives the Reapers a long time to cripple the planet, and if Earth gets crippled hard enough it remains to be seen how long it would take for us to recover.

Whose to say Earth survives the war? I hope it does, certainly, and that does kind of seem to be the direction of ME3 but it's not guranteed. Of course, I have no interest in such a depressing story and will pass on buying ME3 if that's the outcome.

Regardless of the outcome, I expect every race will need a decade to recover to pre-war levels. Well, I don't know, maybe half that for a military recovery since manufacturing tech is so good in 2185, but I was thinking in population and economic terms.

[arne1234]

Bearcut wrote...

arne1234 wrote...

the mass effect universe does has cryo (Jack was frozen at the start right?) any species could have made a ark freezing a couple of people for 500 years or so together with a couple of 100 tanks they use to make krogan. Then they could ride out the reaper attack and let them return to darkspace before the wake up afther that using only a 100 tanks you could theoreticly repopulate very quickly. Especially The quarians would benefit with such a hidden base as it gives them a back-up if anything ever happens to the flotilla. It would gave been the logical thing to build during the impasse their in for the last 300 years

Only one major problem with this...

The galaxy has yet to accept the existence of the Reapers.

Quarians risk extinction even without the risk of the reaper attack all their eggs are in one basket and it's a rotten 300 year old basket who's demise is predicted by the quarians themselfs. They do not need the reaper attack to think of alterior ways to survive

Krogans are infected by the genophase however this genophase was not the original genophase and the current version is many times worse. They could at one point have considerd that it would have been fruitful to also make a secret cryobase to store krogans with the current genophase in case the salarians deploy yet again a worse genophase.

The batarians, blue suns,  eclipse and the blood pack also could use  a secret cryobase because they deal with the collectors and general kidnapping so it would be usefull if they had a place where they could store their kidnapped victims.

Then their is abouth every sick and old individual who sees the advances in AI in freezes himself to live long enoug so they could make him a new body altough those facilities would probably not be hidden.

[jamesp81]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Actually, if you look at the way the elchor fight in the codex, it says they strap giant cannons to their backs and become mobile weapons platforms! they maybe be better off than we think! lol

We really need an Elcor squadmate then.

"With an evil laugh: Die, you illegitimate male spawn."

*BOOM!!*

"With great humor: that will not buff out."

[Kabanya101]

Worst chance:
Volus- what are they going to do, ask the reapers to set up a bank account, or sell them a candy bar (I hope they like Skittles or we're muffed.)
Elcor- they look like a talking ass, and their speech is completely annoying. Hell I would wipe them out for the reapers, do the galaxy a favor
Quarian- all you have to do is stab their hardsuit, and they'll die from bacteria, simple as that

Best chance:
Humans- we always live in the movies
Asari- biotics will tear anything apart
Turians- simply badasses, not to be ****ed with

[Bearcut]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Worst chance:
Volus- what are they going to do, ask the reapers to set up a bank account, or sell them a candy bar (I hope they like Skittles or we're muffed.)
Elcor- they look like a talking ass, and their speech is completely annoying. Hell I would wipe them out for the reapers, do the galaxy a favor
Quarian- all you have to do is stab their hardsuit, and they'll die from bacteria, simple as that

Best chance:
Humans- we always live in the movies
Asari- biotics will tear anything apart
Turians- simply badasses, not to be ****ed with

I think survivability has alot more factors then military might. Asari may have biotics, but I'd give them most of their points simply because of the reproductive capacities - only one Asari has to survive the war, and granted that this one isn't Sterile, thats enough to save the entire population (give enough time).

I'm not sure about Turian mating...

But I pretty much agree with the Volus assessment. Maybe the Reapers do want a Candy Bar though.

[arne1234]

takes those krogan birth pods add the mental imprint that teaches them speech and perhaps add in that server ship that can store a billion minds and if they can hide that they could bounce right back from extinction

[Bearcut]

arne1234 wrote...

takes those krogan birth pods add the mental imprint that teaches them speech and perhaps add in that server ship that can store a billion minds and if they can hide that they could bounce right back from extinction

Even though I'm not sure what species you are talking about- they would be a bunch of clones, and any subsequent breeding from this population would create generation after generation of in-breds, which would eventually cause the fall of the population to genetic disease. Even the Quarians mention that a big part of the pilgramage is to move members to other ships to prevent inbreeding in such a small population...

[arne1234]

it seems humans had the technology to cryo freeze people for at least 110 years in 2070 (that's 116 years before the current events in Mass effect)

It would be a rather dull ending but it could be done.
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