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[Skilled Seeker]

Ok so my previous thread  got locked because Talimancers derailed it by going off topic and discussing Tali rather than the moral question at hand here. If you want to discuss Tali as a person, do so on her character thread. Do not try to derail this thread or I will report you. Here is the previous OP, slightly modified to make it a tougher question.

So say a situation occurs where you can gain an advantage over the Reapers if you let Tali die. This advantage will allow you to save hundreds. If you choose not to take this opportunity, people will know, including the families of the deceased. Would you do it?

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 04 juin 2011 - 10:32 .

[Phaedon]

I don't think that a second thread was needed, but anyway.

Any squadmate is worth sacrificing.
1. They know what they signed up for.
2. Most mathematicians seem to agree that 1<5.000.000.000.000

Modifié par Phaedon, 04 juin 2011 - 07:55 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Read the OP Phaedon. It's a slightly different question.

[BP20125810]

If the galaxy dies, so does Tali, so yeah, I would. Its kind of like asking if you would sacrifice your mom to save your whole family.

[Phaedon]

My original point stands, if you cut a few zeroes.

[Khayness]

"What are you asking? That we weigh the life of one man versus the future of all mankind?

Kill him."

[TomY90]

Phaedon wrote...

My original point stands, if you cut a few zeroes.

I agree with your point Phaedon it does not matter whether its tali or any other character or even the whole squad including shepherd that loss of life is better in that case than the entire galaxy (including the squad)

[Phaedon]

BP20125810 wrote...

If the galaxy dies, so does Tali, so yeah, I would. Its kind of like asking if you would sacrifice your mom to save your whole family.

One somewhat valid argument could be that your Shepard is too attached to a character to have the emotional power to sacrifice them, hence failing the overall mission.

[Someone With Mass]

Ignoring the mods is not a good idea...

[marshalleck]

Phaedon wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

If the galaxy dies, so does Tali, so yeah, I would. Its kind of like asking if you would sacrifice your mom to save your whole family.

One somewhat valid argument could be that your Shepard is too attached to a character to have the emotional power to sacrifice them, hence failing the overall mission.

I think the point is that the question in the thread title is logically flawed. Whether you sacrifice Tali, OR don't sacrifice her and let the Reapers take over the galaxy, Tali dies either way. 

Anyways, OP has clearly recreated a moderated troll thread. Given the premise there's no reason to specifically call out Tali as a sacrificial lamb unless you're trying to provoke an emotional response from a specific group of fans. And sure enough OP blamed the last thread closure on a specific group of people, and then issued a direct challenge to them. 

Troll is as troll does!

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 juin 2011 - 08:07 .

[Spartanburger]

As was said before, your previous thread would not have been locked if it was about any LI instead of simply Tali. Hell, maybe just a squadmember. There would be no occasion where a specific squadmember from ME1 and ME2 would be sacrificed due to the fact that any of them could be dead due to ME2. The only characters who could have this situation brought to them is the VS, Anderson, Udina, Hackett, and Liara due to their current invulnerability in those games.

Would I sacrifice one of them to save hundreds? Depends on the importance of that person. Shadowbroker Liara, and counselor Udian/Anderson may be saved depending on their usefulness, but otherwise I'd sacrifice them.

now assuming the team at BioWare decided to herp their derp and inhale car exhaust for a few days and actually put in a situation where Tali is the ONLY ONE that could be sacrificed, even though in some peoples games she wont even be alive, it would still depend on her importance. If it seems impossible to gain the Quarians trust without her, or if the Quarian/Geth situation cannot be resolved without her then I'd save her because in the long run I'd probably be saving more people. (Following your updated question, with only hundreds of lives at stake instead of billions). If there was no such consequence I would probably sacrifice her.



The only problem I have here is that you insist on it being one specific character, when in reality it would probably be an important character who cannot die in one of the previous games, or a current squadmember.

Modifié par Spartanburger, 04 juin 2011 - 08:08 .

[CroGamer002]

OP how about you make this kind of thread where instead of taking on 1 very popular squadmate you go with any squadmate that any specific person loves most.

Why didn't you go for Garrus, Miranda or Liara?
They are very popular as well.

Oh but ofcourse, you should tackle on fanbase that can get very touchy with it and on squadmate you proved many times you don't like.

[Alphyn]

Reported.

[Alienmorph]

Just so you know... this dude used to post "fanarts" with Tali inflated of slaugtered only to p!ss off "the Talimancers". So I suggest to don't take him too seriously.

So... why the question can't be "Would you sacrifice you LI/favourite character to save the Galaxy?" but only specifically Tali?

Draw your conclusions.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 04 juin 2011 - 08:14 .

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

OP how about you make this kind of thread where instead of taking on 1 very popular squadmate you go with any squadmate that any specific person loves most.

Why didn't you go for Garrus, Miranda or Liara?
They are very popular as well.

Oh but ofcourse, you should tackle on fanbase that can get very touchy with it and on squadmate you proved many times you don't like.

The ATA is apparently immune to logic.  

[Gterror]

When galaxy is in danger,then Shepard and team will be ready to give their lifes for the greater good.All of them took the job,knowing that every day could be their last.But in all id like to see a situation,where any kind of individual(Tali in our case)will give advantage to destroying Reapers.

[Dave666]

I find it interesting that you blame Talimancers for the closure of the previous thread rather than the actual reason the Mod gave for closing it.

You have twice now created a thread about a specific character and not done so in the Characters Forum.

I also find it interesting that you blame Talimancers at all, given that I read every post in that thread and of the few Talimancers that actually posted, every single one said that if those were the stakes then as much as they like Tali they would regretfully do so. Almost every other post was from people saying that they would sacrifice her for a sandwich or something equally Conrad Verner worthy.

[Skilled Seeker]

Seriously, this question insults some of you? Ridiculous, that's your problem, not mine. The question posed insults no one, including Tali. Such a scenario could well happen in ME3 so it is worthy of discussion without over emotional Talimancers trolling. Since there are no ME3 forums right now, I post it here.

Nothing is sacred, it is not against the forum rules to think up a moral scenario where Goddess Tali is involved, no matter whether it hurts your feelings or not.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 04 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[Bachi1230]

Well my Shepard wouldn't sacrifice himself, whats the point of saving the galaxy if you're dead anyway. My Shepard would be "If I'm going down so is everyone else" This applies to squad mates, I'd rather sacrifice millions of nobodies that I have no connection with and be known for it than lose a squad mate.

And I feel this is canon with the Arrival DLC, he wipes out a system to stall the reapers. They're still coming and he sacrificed 300,000+ batarians to slow their advance.

[CroGamer002]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Seriously, this question insults some of you? Ridiculous, that's your problem, not mine. The question posed insults no one, including Tali. Such a scenario could well happen in ME3 so it is worthy of discussion without over emotional Talimancers trolling. Since there are no ME3 forums right now, I post it here.

You KNOW that Talimancers are very touchy with this kind of subject and you proven many times that you don't like Tali.


If you really wanted to make serious discussion you wouldn't just put Tali in thread title but every other squadmate.




Besides Liara, Garrus and Miranda are as popular like Tali. Why not posting them?

[Skilled Seeker]

Bachi1230 wrote...

Well my Shepard wouldn't sacrifice himself, whats the point of saving the galaxy if you're dead anyway. My Shepard would be "If I'm going down so is everyone else" This applies to squad mates, I'd rather sacrifice millions of nobodies that I have no connection with and be known for it than lose a squad mate.

And I feel this is canon with the Arrival DLC, he wipes out a system to stall the reapers. They're still coming and he sacrificed 300,000+ batarians to slow their advance.

The Arrival situation is totally different. The only choice Shepard had there, no matter his moral standing was to sacrifice the Batarians because they were goners either way. Really I don't even consider it a sacrifice, they were dead long before Shepard pressed the button. Since had the Relay not destroyed them, the Reapers would have.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 04 juin 2011 - 08:34 .

[Vez04]

[marshalleck]

Skilled Seeker wrote...
it is not against the forum rules to think up a moral scenario ....

No, but it is against the rules to repost a thread that was already closed once. 

[Gterror]

Vez04 wrote...

He understands