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[neppakyo]

I said it before, but I'll be more blunt. Neither. The hero is off dancing in the tulips with morrigan or dead, and hawke's lying in a ditch, crushed skull because DA2 showed he was a moron.

So new stuff for DA3, nothing but what I stated earlier.

[TEWR]

neppakyo wrote...

I think Act I was bad as well. It was nothing but fetch quests to make 50 gold.. it dragged on way to long, and is one of many reasons for me I cannot reply the damned game again.

They way the Mage vs Templars was done makes me very leery for it to be a main plot for the next game.. so many ways for it to go very, very wrong. They proved they could do the Qunari aspect very well, hence my enthusiasm for that particular aspect of DA2. 

The Qunari invading could be a catalyst for the mage/templar to reconcile to combat the threat. You know the old saying.. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'

I admit, Act I could've been better if there had been a main plotline aside from the expedition. Or maybe more quests involving the expedition and trying to make sure everything goes smoothly like a partner should do. But what we got was good enough imo. It's just.... meh....


You know what's funny? The Templar route was done the best but didn't make a lick of sense as to how mages would rebel unless some of them escaped without you knowing, and the mage route was done so horribly but is the one that sets up the game perfectly. Half-assed on both sides, which adds up to be a full ass....

But I don't want a full ass! I want 2 asses!

and yes, regarding the Qunari that seems to be the common thought process among the people on the forums.

[Zanallen]

I'd like to see a new protagonist dealing with a political crisis in Orlais using the mage/templar war as a backdrop and fuel for the plot of DA3.

Modifié par Zanallen, 05 juin 2011 - 02:46 .

[TEWR]

neppakyo wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

There's no need really to ignore DA 2's story set up for a sequel. The Mage-Templar conflict has the potential to be very interesting because it's a war that is pretty much guaranteed to have good and evil participants in both sides. But there are many ways to move beyond that story alone just for the next game. A Qunari invasion or a darkspawn resurgence or both happening and destabilizing Thedas even further would make the story potentially even more interesting because not every war is as straightforward as Side A vs Side B. A multifaceted conflict would be challenging to write but what effects such an enormous blow to the status quo in Thedas that would be would be interesting to observe.

TW2 started a good story on a world plunged into war and chaos with no clear side of good or evil. Just several degrees of ******.

That made me lol harder than I've ever lol'd

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

It's funny because it's true?

Anyways, I don't see why they couldn't incorporate the story from both. As major narrative continuation, Dragon Age 2 is the logical one to continue from as the story in Origins was Fereldan centric, unless you bring up Darkspawn, OGB and Archdemons.

So, the Mage/Templar backdrop probably would be good... so long as Kirkwall's a smoldering ruin.

[neppakyo]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

That made me lol harder than I've ever lol'd

hehe like crustry said, cause its true. In TW2 basically its your choice to go with the full on ******, or the lesser ****** with some redeeming qualities. All shades of gray, and some heart jerking moral choices. This is what BW needs to investigate for their next game, or they'll become the disney of games with a PG13 theme of cuss words, and boobies to make the 13 year olds giggle. (DA2 was pretty damned close to that)

And yeah, Act I could of used more cohesion and common sense, its still redeemable.. somewhat. Act III just needs to be tossed out into the thames river with the other garbage.

I still feel with the mage/templar split starting in ferelden and orlais, an Qunari threat comming in would be the better route.

Thats just me, mind you.

[syllogi]

My problems with DA2 are far more about the wildly varying quality of graphics, the recycled areas, the bizarre decisions about inventory, enemies falling from the sky, and the lack of strategy and challenge on normal difficulty. I don't have a huge problem with the story or the characters, even though I like pretty much everyone better than Hawke. The only thing I really hated was the ending, but it was far from the worst thing about the game.

I seriously think that Hawke and the Warden are going to be languishing wherever Revan and the Exile got stashed during DA3, so it doesn't even matter.

[DarkDragon777]

DA3 should do EVERYTHING Origins did. EVERYTHING

I'm still trying to forget DA2 even happened.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 05 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[TEWR]

Act 3 is can be salvaged, but it would take a lot of time and effort. I have a bunch of ideas just bouncing around in my head of how it could be better. And how you could get to fight the Harvester without a certain someone doing what he did in the mage run.
Because that made no ****ing sense whatsoever  

Even worse when another certain someone is oblivious to a confession. This was my list of expressions when that happened:
 

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 juin 2011 - 03:05 .

[neppakyo]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Act 3 is can be salvaged, but it would take a lot of time and effort. I have a bunch of ideas just bouncing around in my head of how it could be better. And how you could get to fight the Harvester without a certain someone doing what he did in the mage run.
Because that made no ****ing sense whatsoever  

Even worse when another certain someone is oblivious to a confession. This was my list of expressions when that happened:
 

Thats a big job. Too big imho to salvage. Best to let it float down the thames with the rest of the sewage, and start from scratch.

(not saying your ideas are bad, havent heard them and I am sure they're probably way better than what bioware thought up for act 3 lol)

[AmstradHero]

neppakyo wrote...

AmstradHero wrote...

Right, it only completely changed the face of the entire world in which the game is set. Yeah, totally inconsequential.

(sorry for the double post but..)

It was assumed it changed from cassandra, and not much info due to the horrible ending to DA2.

imho, it would of only affected Ferelden and Orlais. Not the rest of Thedas.

Except the game is set in the Free Marches... again, can't discuss in detail because of the no spoiler issue. "The Chantry calendar is used everywhere in Thedas, save for the Imperium." The Chantry isn't confined to Ferelden and Orlais.

Watch the ending again. It's definitely put forward that Thedas as a whole is undergoing some major changes as a result.

[erynnar]

Sorry, the mage templar conflict just bores me or pisses me off due to the way it was handled. Either the Qunari, or exploring that fantastic mysterious thaig or finding another that links to it that points more to magic using dwarves and Sandal's ancestry and his dreaming of Flemeth? His prophecy? Act one may have been full of side quests, but you have to admit that the thaig is all kids of WTF? I want to play Indiana Jones of Thedas.

[ItsTheTruth]

The Mage/Templar conflict is fine, of course it sucked in DA2 (like everything else) but I liked the Mage tower in DAO, and reading about different Mage factions - by the way, were they even mentioned in DA2?

If they go back to DAO combat for DA3 I might buy it, the storyline of DA2 isn't a big problem, because not much happened. Hopefully we just get to read in a short codex how Kirkwall was burnt to the ground (without even a mention of Hawke, because nobody in DA3 will mention him).

[Kaiser Shepard]

"Yes."

"Which?"

"Both."

The main conflict should be the Mage-Templar War, of course, but there's no reason to suddenly drop all other plotlines.

[Ultor84]

I can be happy picking up after DA2, just don't give me another story minimizes the player's choices to the point I feel like I'm an observer in a series supposedly defined by choices, or have it take place in a static box that barely changes over ten years as a lazy excuse to minimize art assets.

I'm fine with the narrative arc, just get me away from Kirkwall. I never want to see that place again.

[Denizen89]

DA:O I did not like Hawke all that much and plus I feel my living Warden has a bone to pick with a certain little back stabbing red head and a world to save. Hawke do that? No Way.

[Coous]

I'd like to see what this mage rebellion could change with the face of the world and some kingdoms politically. I mean you can see like some nobles using the moment to split away from monarchs or over throw monarchs whole nations like Orlais being the Chantry center going around trying to put down rebellious lands to restore circles. I'm just getting a 30 years war esque like vibe with the route they'll most likely take with this one, but they could pull a big "wth?" and take it in a very unexpected direction.

[SicoWolf-]

Right, it only completely changed the face of the entire world in which the game is set. Yeah, totally inconsequential.

There are so many people that want to jump on the "DA2 SUCKS!" bandwagon that they can't even see what it actually did bring to the table. For the Maker's sake, yes, the game had problems, but in terms of overall game world effect, it was pretty damn huge. Of course, we can't discuss that because this post is in the "no spoilers" forum.

I want DA3 to continue on from both DAO and DA2. Based on some of the ham-fisted cameos in DA2, it will.

Don't give me that bs. I genuinely enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and I've made that no secret on these forums.

Changed the face of the world? How?

It had absolutely no impact on Ferelden, the only part of the Dragon Age universe that we saw in Origins. We heard very little about the outliers in Origins, barely spanning past what our companions Zevran and Leilana told us. Any plot progression for the warden and his/her companions could be summarized in a couple of sentences in a true DA:O sequel, with or without the existence of DA2.

So no, it did not "change the face of the world" any more than it actually progressed the plot of Origins.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

The Mage/Templar conflict. Without being specific, I'd say that was a pretty pivotal plot point. Unfortunately, Hawke has no power over what happens, he's just a bystander and the rest of the events are pretty inconsequential to Thedas at large.

Origins at least tied the minor plots to the greater one (must get the treaties), so the smaller narratives themselves had significance. The plot felt cohesive because it was all driven toward a singular purpose. Dragon Age 2 struggled to do this well.

As a result, a good half of the game could be considered filler.

As much as I thought Act 2 was cool and the Arishok was a great character, you could literally cut out most of Act 1/2 and it wouldn't make a difference on the main narrative. Whereas you couldn't do the same in Origins as you needed everyone's help to stop the Blight. It's a weak link, fo realz, but it's strong enough to carry the player through them and tie them down to an overarching narrative. Lots of Dragon Age 2 felt like filler in comparison. I'd argue that Origins does too, but more in it's gameplay and not narrative, whereas DA 2 had plenty of filler in both gameplay and narrative.

But, I'm rambling. The Mage/Templar conflict has very significant implications for the rest of Thedas. Dragon Age 2 did do something important for the narrative. Would be silly to claim otherwise.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 05 juin 2011 - 06:20 .

[AmstradHero]

SicoWolf- wrote...

Right, it only completely changed the face of the entire world in which the game is set. Yeah, totally inconsequential.

There are so many people that want to jump on the "DA2 SUCKS!" bandwagon that they can't even see what it actually did bring to the table. For the Maker's sake, yes, the game had problems, but in terms of overall game world effect, it was pretty damn huge. Of course, we can't discuss that because this post is in the "no spoilers" forum.

I want DA3 to continue on from both DAO and DA2. Based on some of the ham-fisted cameos in DA2, it will.

Don't give me that bs. I genuinely enjoyed Dragon Age 2 and I've made that no secret on these forums.

My apologies then. I haven't monitored your posts, so don't know your opinion. Declaring a game's plot is inconsequential indicated to me that you didn't like the game or didn't understand its ramifications. It seems I was wrong on the first point, at least.

SicoWolf- wrote...
Changed the face of the world? How?

It had absolutely no impact on Ferelden, the only part of the Dragon Age universe that we saw in Origins. We heard very little about the outliers in Origins, barely spanning past what our companions Zevran and Leilana told us. Any plot progression for the warden and his/her companions could be summarized in a couple of sentences in a true DA:O sequel, with or without the existence of DA2.

So no, it did not "change the face of the world" any more than it actually progressed the plot of Origins.

Right... so the fact that the Chantry, the most significant religion on Thedas (which includes Ferelden) is SPOILERED by the events of DA2 is insignificant? You know the Circle Tower by Lake Calenhad (which you either saved, or has been partially rebuilt)... that has SPOILERED and mages are now IN UR SPOILER, SPOILERING UR SPOILERS.

The events of DA2 make a massive change to the balance of power the status quo for the entire world. If you consider the implications of the game on the world as a whole and the effect that will have on future narratives, DA2 packs just as much if not more of a punch than DAO. DAO gives you the old god baby, DA2 "sets the world on fire". Sure, it's a corny line, but the end of the game causes a massive change to the overall setting of Thedas.

That's one part of the game that is the real deal.

[Luke Bioware]

I liked the books and how they described all the Darkspawn-related things better than DAII. The lines should collide, but with an emphasis on Origins.

[Feanor_II]

I love Origins and felt very dissapointed with DA2 and as TeenZombie has stated it is because of how the game itself was anf not because of the story, but I wouldn't like DA2 to be ignored, it exists so we have to be consequent with that.

Anyway I would preffer DA3 to have a different setting, such as Nevarra, Rivain, Orlais, Antiva.......

Modifié par Feanor_II, 05 juin 2011 - 09:42 .

[What?]

I'd like them to enlighten more on the Mage-Templar conflict; it has potential. However, I'd prefer they focused more on Origins and the repercussions that stemmed from your choices there, while giving DA2 the passenger seat. A few mentions, some punch-backs here and there due to Hawke's choices. That'd be perfect for me.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 05 juin 2011 - 09:45 .

[Patchwork]

Origins is my favourite game in a long time but realisticly how many left over plots are there? Morrigan's baby and the unlikelihood of royal heir being born, most things were wrapped up in the epilogue slides. Of course I want references and cameos but that story's done.

Many people have said DA2 felt like a prelude and it does. I doubt Hawke will be our protagonist again but the events sparked in 2 will have more of an impact in 3 than Origins.

[The Elder King]

I think DA3 should start from the end of DA2. I'd like to play in a world in crisis.