Do you want Dragon Age 3 to continue From Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2?
#51
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:10
#52
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:14
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
mrcrusty wrote...
The Mage/Templar conflict. Without being specific, I'd say that was a pretty pivotal plot point. Unfortunately, Hawke has no power over what happens, he's just a bystander and the rest of the events are pretty inconsequential to Thedas at large.
Origins at least tied the minor plots to the greater one (must get the treaties), so the smaller narratives themselves had significance. The plot felt cohesive because it was all driven toward a singular purpose. Dragon Age 2 struggled to do this well.
As a result, a good half of the game could be considered filler.
As much as I thought Act 2 was cool and the Arishok was a great character, you could literally cut out most of Act 1/2 and it wouldn't make a difference on the main narrative. Whereas you couldn't do the same in Origins as you needed everyone's help to stop the Blight. It's a weak link, fo realz, but it's strong enough to carry the player through them and tie them down to an overarching narrative. Lots of Dragon Age 2 felt like filler in comparison. I'd argue that Origins does too, but more in it's gameplay and not narrative, whereas DA 2 had plenty of filler in both gameplay and narrative.
But, I'm rambling. The Mage/Templar conflict has very significant implications for the rest of Thedas. Dragon Age 2 did do something important for the narrative. Would be silly to claim otherwise.
^This. No matter how much I like Origins, and no matter how much I dislike DA2. And i'd like "Hawke's"(Anders')tale to be wrapped up in in an expansion, so DA3 can have a new PC.
Modifié par Alistairlover94, 05 juin 2011 - 10:21 .
#53
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:48
#54
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 11:39
Origins just set the stage for many hero's, Origin's showed common people that men and women from all walks of life can earn their way into history. And, wither unwilling or no, a hero always rises in times of distress. DA2 showed a 'heroic revolution' OR a 'Unjustified Massacre'. BioWare is probably gonna intertwine the stories somehow, Flemeth at the head of either the threat OR the allies. Because even in the smallest things, Flemeth knows about it and knows how to solve it. Either she'll be a key player, or a 'helper'.
Anyway, lets let at the politics. Orlais and Ferelden's peace has been at threat for some time, espcially after the arrive of Darkspawn, it's hinted at it you listen very carefully. Tevinter government I would say, is going to take advantage of the mage revolution and act as a 'liberator' to mages, appeasing to their good interest. Meanwhile, Chantry is going to break away to try to form their own little band, Like the Teutonic Order or the Muslim tribes in the early years of their religion, so the Chantry will spark even more war and chaos.
So, yeah, both games helped DA Series to this point, but I guess we'll have to see what BioWare decides to do.
#55
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 12:03
#56
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 12:45
#57
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 01:48
Oh, and new protagonist definitely. Firstly, Hawke's voice grates on my ears, secondly, he's indecisive, and thirdly, well I just don't like him.
#58
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 03:02
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
neppakyo wrote...
I think Act I was bad as well. It was nothing but fetch quests to make 50 gold.. it dragged on way to long, and is one of many reasons for me I cannot reply the damned game again.
They way the Mage vs Templars was done makes me very leery for it to be a main plot for the next game.. so many ways for it to go very, very wrong. They proved they could do the Qunari aspect very well, hence my enthusiasm for that particular aspect of DA2.
The Qunari invading could be a catalyst for the mage/templar to reconcile to combat the threat. You know the old saying.. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'
I admit, Act I could've been better if there had been a main plotline aside from the expedition. Or maybe more quests involving the expedition and trying to make sure everything goes smoothly like a partner should do. But what we got was good enough imo. It's just.... meh....
You know what's funny? The Templar route was done the best but didn't make a lick of sense as to how mages would rebel unless some of them escaped without you knowing, and the mage route was done so horribly but is the one that sets up the game perfectly. Half-assed on both sides, which adds up to be a full ass....
But I don't want a full ass! I want 2 asses!
and yes, regarding the Qunari that seems to be the common thought process among the people on the forums.
What I was disappointed with in Act I was not seeing Gwaren, we've never seen Loghain's estate in either game. I felt this was a lost opportunity and I'd would have liked seeing my family actually get on the ship and other citizens fleeing Ferelden. I really enjoyed seeing those ships in the game.
#59
Guest_I.AM.DUNCAN_*
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 03:27
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#60
Guest_I.AM.DUNCAN_*
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 03:33
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#61
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 07:24
Flayling wrote...
Personally I want to see Dragon Age 3 continue where Dragon Age Origins left off. Then just pretend Dragon Age 2 never existed.
Agreed.
Since DA2 plays out almost exactly the same whatever you do, I don't even see any point of a save transfer system.
Keep the general story from DA2 (mages/templars), but everything else could just fade in to the background like a bad dream.
#62
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 09:47
#63
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:08
I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
I have a feeling Hawke will be the main protagonist for the rest of the series. Although I haven't the slightest Idea where they're going with this plot line.
It would be a stupid move on their part. DA2 is already polarized amongst fans, hawke the same way. Either its hate hawke, indeifferent, or love him. If hawke continues in the next DA game, a good chunk of people won't be getting it. A lot feel hawke is just a crappy Commander Shepard, and if they want that kind of character, they'll play the real thing in Mass Effect.
Its best to start with a new protagonist.
Preferrably one that you can choose a race.
#64
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:11
Guest_Alistairlover94_*
neppakyo wrote...
I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
I have a feeling Hawke will be the main protagonist for the rest of the series. Although I haven't the slightest Idea where they're going with this plot line.
It would be a stupid move on their part. DA2 is already polarized amongst fans, hawke the same way. Either its hate hawke, indeifferent, or love him. If hawke continues in the next DA game, a good chunk of people won't be getting it. A lot feel hawke is just a crappy Commander Shepard, and if they want that kind of character, they'll play the real thing in Mass Effect.
Its best to start with a new protagonist.
Preferrably one that you can choose a race.
Agreed. Just wrap up "Hawke's" (Anders' story) in an expansion pack, and start anew with a PC I might actually like. And bring back conversational skill checks, please. And drop the dialouge wheel and the voiced PC. The unvoiced PC even is more cost-efficient.
Modifié par Alistairlover94, 05 juin 2011 - 10:12 .
#65
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:19
I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
Let me just say this. Origins had a definite ending and epilogue. (I'll use an English class metaphor here). DAO was an independent clause. You didn't need any other game for it to make sense. It ended. DA2, however, is a dependent clause. Without a sequal, it just doesn't make sense. It didn't end. Btw, at the end, the book that the seeker hands over to leliana is the legend of Hawke. So if Leliana now has the story of Hawke, that most likely means that she will pick up the trail and the next game will be about Hawke yet again.
wow, thats an interesting thought. then maybe you would actually take the role of Leliana then, in search of Hawke(grabing new or old companions on the way), hopefully its not all about her, or having yet another customized hero to accompany her, and/or having control of Hawke or someone else at some point in the game as well as having something catastrophic going on.
#66
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:41
Modifié par nerdage, 05 juin 2011 - 10:43 .
#67
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:52
nerdage wrote...
so perhaps calm down on the "Hawke better not be PC in DA3!" talk until there's actually a reason to think that's where they're going.
I'm here to crush the hopes and dreams of hawke fans
#68
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:55
(good luck crushing my hopes and dreams, I lock them up tightly)
Modifié par nerdage, 05 juin 2011 - 10:58 .
#69
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 10:57
nerdage wrote...
You may be on the wrong forum to find Hawke fans, we're a minority around here it seems...
Yeah, sorry Nerd, I am not fond of Hawke in the slightest.
#70
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 11:09
ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
neppakyo wrote...
I think Act I was bad as well. It was nothing but fetch quests to make 50 gold.. it dragged on way to long, and is one of many reasons for me I cannot reply the damned game again.
They way the Mage vs Templars was done makes me very leery for it to be a main plot for the next game.. so many ways for it to go very, very wrong. They proved they could do the Qunari aspect very well, hence my enthusiasm for that particular aspect of DA2.
The Qunari invading could be a catalyst for the mage/templar to reconcile to combat the threat. You know the old saying.. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'
I admit, Act I could've been better if there had been a main plotline aside from the expedition. Or maybe more quests involving the expedition and trying to make sure everything goes smoothly like a partner should do. But what we got was good enough imo. It's just.... meh....
You know what's funny? The Templar route was done the best but didn't make a lick of sense as to how mages would rebel unless some of them escaped without you knowing, and the mage route was done so horribly but is the one that sets up the game perfectly. Half-assed on both sides, which adds up to be a full ass....
But I don't want a full ass! I want 2 asses!
and yes, regarding the Qunari that seems to be the common thought process among the people on the forums.
What I was disappointed with in Act I was not seeing Gwaren, we've never seen Loghain's estate in either game. I felt this was a lost opportunity and I'd would have liked seeing my family actually get on the ship and other citizens fleeing Ferelden. I really enjoyed seeing those ships in the game.
Technically that would fall into the Prologue, but still...
That would've been awesome. Doing some odd jobs to gather enough money to board the ship. And show a grand view of Gwaren's castle and the village beneath it. The forest separating the two, lush and green. Seagulls flying overhead and the barking of Mabari in the distance.
That's going in my fanfic of Hawke's real Rise to Power.
#71
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 11:33
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
neppakyo wrote...
I think Act I was bad as well. It was nothing but fetch quests to make 50 gold.. it dragged on way to long, and is one of many reasons for me I cannot reply the damned game again.
They way the Mage vs Templars was done makes me very leery for it to be a main plot for the next game.. so many ways for it to go very, very wrong. They proved they could do the Qunari aspect very well, hence my enthusiasm for that particular aspect of DA2.
The Qunari invading could be a catalyst for the mage/templar to reconcile to combat the threat. You know the old saying.. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'
I admit, Act I could've been better if there had been a main plotline aside from the expedition. Or maybe more quests involving the expedition and trying to make sure everything goes smoothly like a partner should do. But what we got was good enough imo. It's just.... meh....
You know what's funny? The Templar route was done the best but didn't make a lick of sense as to how mages would rebel unless some of them escaped without you knowing, and the mage route was done so horribly but is the one that sets up the game perfectly. Half-assed on both sides, which adds up to be a full ass....
But I don't want a full ass! I want 2 asses!
and yes, regarding the Qunari that seems to be the common thought process among the people on the forums.
What I was disappointed with in Act I was not seeing Gwaren, we've never seen Loghain's estate in either game. I felt this was a lost opportunity and I'd would have liked seeing my family actually get on the ship and other citizens fleeing Ferelden. I really enjoyed seeing those ships in the game.
Technically that would fall into the Prologue, but still...
That would've been awesome. Doing some odd jobs to gather enough money to board the ship. And show a grand view of Gwaren's castle and the village beneath it. The forest separating the two, lush and green. Seagulls flying overhead and the barking of Mabari in the distance.
That's going in my fanfic of Hawke's real Rise to Power.
Oh I want to read it! Will you post on the BSN, Fanfiction.net or both? I have fanfic on both. It's nice for your audiences who like both, or have access to only one or the other.
Frankly, my Warden need never come back. I am writing her after story. So she can continue in my version. Hawke doesn't ever need to come back either. For those who woiuld like a wrap up or need one, I hope the DLC handles that. I meant from Origins by going back to that forumula and fixing what was broken and reinstating what got changed that wasn't. But yeah, my Warden lives in my stories. I love her (all the hers) but no.
#72
Posté 05 juin 2011 - 11:50
MagmaSaiyan wrote...
I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
Let me just say this. Origins had a definite ending and epilogue. (I'll use an English class metaphor here). DAO was an independent clause. You didn't need any other game for it to make sense. It ended. DA2, however, is a dependent clause. Without a sequal, it just doesn't make sense. It didn't end. Btw, at the end, the book that the seeker hands over to leliana is the legend of Hawke. So if Leliana now has the story of Hawke, that most likely means that she will pick up the trail and the next game will be about Hawke yet again.
wow, thats an interesting thought. then maybe you would actually take the role of Leliana then, in search of Hawke(grabing new or old companions on the way), hopefully its not all about her, or having yet another customized hero to accompany her, and/or having control of Hawke or someone else at some point in the game as well as having something catastrophic going on.
For me DA2 end isn't a true end, it's more like an opening for an extension of DA2. So more probably with Hawke.
But for DA3 it's another matter. If there's no DA2 extension I don't see a game starting at the end of DA2 with a newbie hero. If DA2 starts roughly at same time than DAO, then DA3 could also starts roughly at same time or between DAO end and DA2 end. And at some points join DA2 end.
DA2 ends is starting time of big changes and for such trouble time, the key events could occur at a totally different place than in DA2 area.
But again for me the opened end of DA2 is for an extension of DA2 not for DA3.
Modifié par Dlokir, 05 juin 2011 - 11:51 .
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