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[In Exile]

the_one_54321 wrote...
I have no idea which game you're talking about.

I corrected the typo. DA:O had a plot - but the plot was poor for several reasons. First, it was a fight to keep everything the same. Victory for the Wardens (and Ferelden) is absolutely everything being like it was prior to Ostagar. It had a few plotholes, but not anything particularly significant (it wasn't ME1).

What DA:O did have, though, was an entirely static plot from Ostagar, an essentially unrelated fetch quest as the main plot (get allies!) which was broken down into small vignettes, and an antagonist that essentially had no life at all (the darkspawn, who were effectively beasts, and doubly so for the archdemon).

Loghain was the closest DA:O got to an antagonist, but was missing for most of the game and needed superpowers to be a complication for the Warden to begin with.

[the_one_54321]

In Exile wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
I have no idea which game you're talking about.

I corrected the typo. DA:O had a plot - but the plot was poor for several reasons. First, it was a fight to keep everything the same. Victory for the Wardens (and Ferelden) is absolutely everything being like it was prior to Ostagar. It had a few plotholes, but not anything particularly significant (it wasn't ME1).

What DA:O did have, though, was an entirely static plot from Ostagar, an essentially unrelated fetch quest as the main plot (get allies!) which was broken down into small vignettes, and an antagonist that essentially had no life at all (the darkspawn, who were effectively beasts, and doubly so for the archdemon).

Loghain was the closest DA:O got to an antagonist, but was missing for most of the game and needed superpowers to be a complication for the Warden to begin with.

The concept was very simple. An ancient incredible power is going to consume the world unless you do what is necessary to stop it. Along the way, unexpected stuff happens and many adventures are had. Also, a powerful man has himself convinced that you are a threat and is seeking to hinder you.

What on earth could be seriously wrong so archetypal a story basis?

[Huntress]

DA2 please, I want to see more of Thedas and to hear about Hawke fighting for mages/templars so on and so forth. I know every new DA game will have a New main character so.. yeah, I want to start with a new character from the end from DA2. MORE conflict *

[eliesan]

I've enjoyed DAO, Awakening and DA2. Each game was fun and put my mind into another world. I just wish Bioware would come out with DA3 STAT. And include Morrigan this time. Merrill was ok but didn't quite pack Morrigan's punch.

[Darth_Ravor]

Luz, are you serious? You've never even played Dragon Age 2! It's an excellent game, and I don't like you (Flayling) bashing it WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED IT.

[In Exile]

the_one_54321 wrote...
The concept was very simple. An ancient incredible power is going to consume the world unless you do what is necessary to stop it. Along the way, unexpected stuff happens and many adventures are had. Also, a powerful man has himself convinced that you are a threat and is seeking to hinder you.

What on earth could be seriously wrong so archetypal a story basis?

Other than the fact it's a C-level pulp fantasy plot? The execution. The ancient power is never actually a threat in the 'meat' of the game. The closest you get to that is the Deep Roads, where you meet an entire horde of darkspawn that happily ignore you to march on. The actual army you recruit is never even seen in a cutscene or featured outside of a gameplay mechanic, and overall the 'adventures along the way' feel like episodic TV content, not a well-told narrative.

DA2 has the same structural elements; it's just removed the goal tying each toghether.

[the_one_54321]

In Exile wrote...
Other than the fact it's a C-level pulp fantasy plot?

Do you think The Lord of the Rings was a C-level pulp fantasy? Because it shares most of the aspects of plot that exist in DA:O. In fact, the description I made above would apply just as easily to TLotR. And if you think TLotR is C-level pulp fantasy then we really don't have anything else to discuss.

[joe17iorio]

Dragon age 3 will follow Dragon age 3, if not Bioware wouldn't have left the ending so open.

Some advice for Bioware though PLEASE improve the third game in this franchise. I dont think its fair to pay $60 for such a crappy map system. Im pretty sure im not the only one who realized the fact that you used the same maps for side quests and simply renamed them. being stuck in a city for the whole game sucks enough, let alone having to deal with the fact that the city is so small that the game gets annoying after the first act. Yes there were 3 or 4 other locations that were just as small  as the city. Also the lack of customization didnt make the game any more fun. i think that the quests were okay only because it added game time, but this is where u reused most of the maps. You need to give back the ability for choices to actually affect the game because major parts of the game wind up being the same exact outcome in the end. The game two worlds 2 was a million times better then two worlds yet somehow this game didnt improve at all. Please improve the third one and I did like hawke's character line and the third game would be awesome to have him and varec back but use an open map system and improve (add) the customizations to the character,armor,weapons etc...

[Archereon]

You know, I hope there won't be a Dragon Age 3, that some issue in development will result in it being scrapped, or at least that DA3 kills the franchise. Why? It's going to suck, most likely. You see, Dragon Age Origins was a one time thing. The division of BioWare behind it had no right to make such a good game, but ended up with a Blizzard/Valve length development window. Where other developers would have made a masterpiece, they made an excellent, yet flawed game. Now that they're working ordinary EA development windows they just can't maintain the quality they did in the production of the first game.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I'm hoping DA 3 has a new hero with muliple origins for racial and social castes. I could care less if I ever have to hear about Hawke again, I hope I don't. Hearing a vague reference to the Warden would make sense, afterall that character saved Ferelden. Hawke just meanders about Kirkwall, fumbling his/her way into starting a type of guild war. Why would bards sing about that? Oh, the poor mages? Most people don't have that gift and most people likely wouldn't care especially with all the superstition being spread about by a largely ignorant populace who is likely illiterate (if feudal Europe is truely a basis for society in Thedas lore), Most people are scared nugless of mages unless Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and pretty much every other mage with a life story to tell is lying about their pasts.

I felt no connection to Hawke, and if saving mages is Hawke's only claim to fame, I can't see why people would praise him/her as a hero. If Hawke takes the templar path I am not sure why that would make people praise him/her either. The character just isn't that interesting to me.

I'm not sure I would want to come back to my Warden at this point. Morrigan likely isn't coming back, Alistair is drunken and depressed, Leliana seems to of run off to work for Cassandra regardless of promises in Origins and Anders is truely a nutcase now.

If DA 3 has a set character, I hope it is the Sten from Origins, leading a Qunari army to pillage Kirkwall. Now that would be a fun game, especially if I could toss Hawke from the top of High Town down to the docks where he/she first landed.

[Edhriano]

Very likely to become like this

Dragon Age 3 : Medieval
Next year => Dragon Age 3 Expansion : Whatever ...
Next year => Dragon Age 3 Expansion : Are you even trying?
Next year => Dragon Age 3 Expansion : Seriously, enough is enough.

etc

Modifié par Edhriano, 07 juin 2011 - 03:11 .

[Zeevico]

Is it too early/late for a joke about the fundamentals being fundamentally abused after the fundamental transformation of the foundation of this game?

Seriously guys. At this point the game making process may as well consist of putting a bunch of cards into a hat, shuffling them around, throwing the hat into the air and picking the first three cards that jump out for all I know or care. Who knows what will happen in the next game? You'll have to wait until it's released and reviewed.

I'd like an awesome game. That's the extent of my demands. If it means changing Dragon Age into a first person puzzle adventure shooter in space with monkeys then so be it.

Modifié par Zeevico, 07 juin 2011 - 04:28 .

[Wozearly]

Zeevico wrote...

I'd like an awesome game. That's the extent of my demands. If it means changing Dragon Age into a first person puzzle adventure shooter in space with monkeys then so be it.

For the love of all that's holy, don't give them ideas!

To be honest, I agree with you apart from one slight niggle. If an awesome game involves changing Dragon Age into a first person puzzle adventure in space with monkeys, then it should be called Space Monkeys and not have the Dragon Age name anywhere near it, as its bears so little resemblance to the existing franchise.

...which, of course, is part of the argument between the Love-Origins-Hate-DA2  and Love-DA2 camps.

[Perles75]

I don't understand the meaning of this post. If you mean from the point of view of the timeline, DA3 should start after the events of DA2 and not of Origins (unless the writers want to do something with an entirely different lead character in a distant land like Orlais, in which case DA3 can start, for example, in the years of the events of DA2 and end after that, so we can see the development of the mages-templars storyline).

If you mean from the point of view of the game mechanics, I'd say an improvement of both!

[ref]

Flayling wrote...

Personally I want to see Dragon Age 3 continue where Dragon Age Origins left off.  Then just pretend Dragon Age 2 never existed.

This.
100%
I wish DA2 never existed

[Jerrybnsn]

They might have to considering if they want to try and bring the fans back. If sales are anything to go by, there's about 3 million people out there that bought Origins but stayed away from DAII. DAII failed, make the next game appeal to those that made Origins Bioware's best selling game ever.

[Tirfan]

What I did with Deus Ex 2. It never happened, I don't know what people are talking about when they mention a sequel to Deus Ex, except now, if they are talking about Human Revolution. (If it's good, if it's not, Deus Ex remains as a game that had no sequels, as sad as it is.)

[LeBurns]

I have to say no to DA3 altogether. I just don't believe it can be fixed back to being like DAO, the way I liked it. I'll keep playing DAO, mod it a little, and wish for things that never came to be (like KotOR3).

[In Exile]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Do you think The Lord of the Rings was a C-level pulp fantasy? Because it shares most of the aspects of plot that exist in DA:O. In fact, the description I made above would apply just as easily to TLotR. And if you think TLotR is C-level pulp fantasy then we really don't have anything else to discuss.

For one, LoTR was a book. The type of standard of comparison is very different. Two, the plot is not actually similar except at a superficial level. For one, the enemy in that case was sentient and personified (as Saruman and his minions, or Sauran and his minions). That was an enemy that was featured at every level of the plot and every stage of the book. The plot was focused - there was no gathering allies and fighting enemies irrelevant to the plot. Three, it was heavily inspired by nordic sagas and general mythology, and reading it makes a significant difference. Four, with a shifting plot, we did not have an ubermensch (outside of maybe Aragorn) who made every victory possible.

I could go on. But saying that DA:O was like LoTOR isn't at all accurate.

[neppakyo]

In Exile wrote...
I could go on. But saying that DA:O was like LoTOR isn't at all accurate.

People are comparing to the movies I bet, and not the novels.

I agree with you, though.

[In Exile]

neppakyo wrote...
People are comparing to the movies I bet, and not the novels.

It's still less focused, though. I'd give DA:O high marks if it was about the blight, but it felt as disconnected as DA2 to me. I think that's a big part of the reason I was never dissapointed with the story in DA2. It was like... here's the exact same flaw as in DA:O, but the context is different. I guess more people just had my reaction from DA:O. The difference being that I would then fall back and say, well the game is still very well done, versus ... y'know.

[Psychopathic Pug]

 I think Orlais would be a good setting. It's been stated Orlais is the most powerful nation in Thedas, and the most religious. Since the mages have escaped the grasp of the Chantry I think Orlais legitimacy took a nose dive. I highly doubt the Chantry or the Grand Cleric is going to sit by and watch it go to hell.

A lot of people want to see a Tevinter Imperium focused game, which is a good idea as well. MY best guess is that many of those apostate mages that are roaming the countryside will flee there. (More tolerance for mages)  And to be honest, I think that would work to the Archon's and his magisters advantage.  If most of the mages join the Tevinter Imperium then we could perhaps see another exhalted march.

I doubt we will see another Blight for a while, they can play that card in a later game. 

As for Qunari, they could do this a lot of ways. Perhaps another invasion by Par Vallen could get both the chantry and the mages from killing one another. 

[Well]

I would definitely go with DAO.DA 2 is ok but after 3rd playthrough I had enough.Too boring.Never was my chr.I still play DAO.I played DA2 once then played DAO again.Then DA2 then played BG.I want a game that has replayability.DA 2 wasn't that but I am stubborn so did all classes.I don't care if it is Qunari,smurfs,or a attack by the Killer Tomatoes.Let the players play.

Modifié par Well, 08 juin 2011 - 06:10 .

[lobi]

Throw the IP in the bin. Focus on ME. There is more money and less dissapoint.

Putting in application for EA, how to spell Rufeless?