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[DragonDrkFire]

So I always flirt with both of them, because I find them amusing. Anders has my  heart. Well When it came down to sleeping with Fenris after the bitter pill quest, i just didn't romance him. And tada! he shows up at my house giving me the love me or leave me options. And since he has Balthier's voice I just couldn't say no. Now i know you can rebound with Anders. But I want to end up with Anders at the end. Does the fact that I slept with Fenris first effect any of that?

[FieryDove]

You are fine. You will get an extra line in the romance with Anders and tell him its over with Fenris or other things. No worries.

[DragonDrkFire]

Thanks! I was worried, I want to end up with Anders especially because i'm so hoping that if they have an Anders add on (such as they did with Morrigan) that if you became a fugitive with him that that will show up. Thanks again!

[Taraberra]

You can sleep with most of the party members and not have it affect your outcome. Isabella, Merrill, Fenris... it's amusing in a way, but I always feel mean if I sleep around xD But you're good.

[DragonDrkFire]

I agree. I feel mean sleeping around. Though I also feel mean turning them down. For the most part I just try to avoid flirting (regardless of how amusing it is) but I adore anders and I just like to listen to Fenfen talk. He has Balthier's voice, so I MUST listen. And he's rather cute when he's stumbling awkward over flirtation. I didn't expect him to show up at my house a second time to try and sleep with me when I didn't after a bitter pill. Too bad. The kid can't really expect me to wait around for 3 years for him after he "hit it and quit it" lol I thought that was a tad douche baggy.

[Heidenreich]

DragonDrkFire wrote...

I agree. I feel mean sleeping around. Though I also feel mean turning them down. For the most part I just try to avoid flirting (regardless of how amusing it is) but I adore anders and I just like to listen to Fenfen talk. He has Balthier's voice, so I MUST listen. And he's rather cute when he's stumbling awkward over flirtation. I didn't expect him to show up at my house a second time to try and sleep with me when I didn't after a bitter pill. Too bad. The kid can't really expect me to wait around for 3 years for him after he "hit it and quit it" lol I thought that was a tad douche baggy.

Uf!

It's not "hit it and quit it" for Fenris.. well unless your rivaling him, then yes its much more that then not..

but!

Fenris is leaving because
1. He's freeked out that the most AMAZING thing he's ever experienced was tainted by his.. brokenness.. et al la sudden remembering of his WHOLE LIFE and then just as fast it being GONE.

2. he then believes that he's NOT WORTHY of THE MOST AMAZING PERSON EVER.


So, he leaves, because he doesn't want his.. brokenness.. to hurt Hawke. Also, its lightly implied that Fenris and Hawke DO reconcile at some point between then and act3, even if they dont actually talk about that -particular- night, though I believe more-so on the friendship path. You have to remember that maybe Varric doesn't get all the details. Once Hawke becomes the champion I'm sure they're probably not spending NEARLY so much time doing scandilous things in public (unless your hawke is dating merrill, lawl)

[Caoilfhionn]

DragonDrkFire wrote...

Thanks! I was worried, I want to end up with Anders especially because i'm so hoping that if they have an Anders add on (such as they did with Morrigan) that if you became a fugitive with him that that will show up. Thanks again!

Don't want to rain on your parade, Dragon, but I don't think an Anders DLC is likely. The reason Morrigan could work for extra story content is because no matter what the player did, she left at the end, so chasing her was always an option. There's a roughly 50/50 chance Anders is dead at the end of DA2, so for players like me who murderknife him every time, there would be no continuity to our story if there was suddenly further Anders content.

But given the high potential mortality rate of DA2 companions, I think after-story DLC is unlikely to contain many, if any, of them in any significant story-related role. Much as that disappoints me, 'cause I adore Fenris and would love to have him back.

[Carol L S]

I wish we had one "normal" LI...just one.

[Treasure Woman]

Caoilfhionn wrote...

DragonDrkFire wrote...

Thanks! I was worried, I want to end up with Anders especially because i'm so hoping that if they have an Anders add on (such as they did with Morrigan) that if you became a fugitive with him that that will show up. Thanks again!

Don't want to rain on your parade, Dragon, but I don't think an Anders DLC is likely. The reason Morrigan could work for extra story content is because no matter what the player did, she left at the end, so chasing her was always an option. There's a roughly 50/50 chance Anders is dead at the end of DA2, so for players like me who murderknife him every time, there would be no continuity to our story if there was suddenly further Anders content.

But given the high potential mortality rate of DA2 companions, I think after-story DLC is unlikely to contain many, if any, of them in any significant story-related role. Much as that disappoints me, 'cause I adore Fenris and would love to have him back.

I think I read somewhere on these forums from a dev that when you knife him. He is dead. Period. No coming back. Which alot of people were happy about.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Carol L S wrote...

I wish we had one "normal" LI...just one.

You want a normal LI, go play ME and date Kaidan. That guy basically has "well-adjusted" tattooed on his forehead.

Hell, you want a really really normal LI? Go play ME2 and date Jacob. That guy has pretty much zero baggage.

You're in the wrong universe for "normal," here.

[happy_daiz]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Carol L S wrote...

I wish we had one "normal" LI...just one.

You want a normal LI, go play ME and date Kaidan. That guy basically has "well-adjusted" tattooed on his forehead.

Hell, you want a really really normal LI? Go play ME2 and date Jacob. That guy has pretty much zero baggage.

You're in the wrong universe for "normal," here.

Amen to that. Well-adjusted can sometimes equate to boring, though. Not in all cases, obviously, but some. If everyone was simply a refugee like Hawke, there wouldn't be anything to differentiate them from each other.

Sidenote, since you mentioned it: I'm kinda wishing now I would have romanced Jacob. Hmmm...I guess there IS still time before ME3! Although I'm curious what will happen if you do an import in ME3 if Kaiden was your LI in ME1, and you fooled around with someone else in ME2. It's that type of worrying that led me to go back and replay DAO a few times right before (and during) playing DA2.

[Caoilfhionn]

Treasure Woman wrote...

Caoilfhionn wrote...

There's a roughly 50/50 chance Anders is dead at the end of DA2, so for players like me who murderknife him every time, there would be no continuity to our story if there was suddenly further Anders content.

I think I read somewhere on these forums from a dev that when you knife him. He is dead. Period. No coming back. Which alot of people were happy about.

Indeed, I was only refering to the potential endings depending on what the player chose to do with Anders. So for some people he'll be alive and on the run, while others will have a very dead abomination. Like me.

So BioWare would thus be marketing a DLC that would by the nature of the potential endings exclude roughly half their audience. Not the best way to make money, and they are still a business.

[FieryDove]

If Anders died Justice could bring him back. (he did before in some daa playthroughs). But if we do get a story dlc I'm hoping it adds to the base game and not a mini hour adventure. If we get one, I'm thinking they are already hard at work on DA3.

[DragonDrkFire]

Caoilfhionn wrote...

DragonDrkFire wrote...

Thanks! I was worried, I want to end up with Anders especially because i'm so hoping that if they have an Anders add on (such as they did with Morrigan) that if you became a fugitive with him that that will show up. Thanks again!

Don't want to rain on your parade, Dragon, but I don't think an Anders DLC is likely. The reason Morrigan could work for extra story content is because no matter what the player did, she left at the end, so chasing her was always an option. There's a roughly 50/50 chance Anders is dead at the end of DA2, so for players like me who murderknife him every time, there would be no continuity to our story if there was suddenly further Anders content.

But given the high potential mortality rate of DA2 companions, I think after-story DLC is unlikely to contain many, if any, of them in any significant story-related role. Much as that disappoints me, 'cause I adore Fenris and would love to have him back.

true, but there is a good number of people who killed anders in awakening and he was back. there is an awful large fanbase for him, they may have to make one.

[DragonDrkFire]

Carol L S wrote...

I wish we had one "normal" LI...just one.

I think we'd all be happy if we could mate with Varric. he trumps everyone.

[DragonDrkFire]

Heidenreich wrote...

DragonDrkFire wrote...

I agree. I feel mean sleeping around. Though I also feel mean turning them down. For the most part I just try to avoid flirting (regardless of how amusing it is) but I adore anders and I just like to listen to Fenfen talk. He has Balthier's voice, so I MUST listen. And he's rather cute when he's stumbling awkward over flirtation. I didn't expect him to show up at my house a second time to try and sleep with me when I didn't after a bitter pill. Too bad. The kid can't really expect me to wait around for 3 years for him after he "hit it and quit it" lol I thought that was a tad douche baggy.

Uf!

It's not "hit it and quit it" for Fenris.. well unless your rivaling him, then yes its much more that then not..

but!

Fenris is leaving because
1. He's freeked out that the most AMAZING thing he's ever experienced was tainted by his.. brokenness.. et al la sudden remembering of his WHOLE LIFE and then just as fast it being GONE.

2. he then believes that he's NOT WORTHY of THE MOST AMAZING PERSON EVER.


So, he leaves, because he doesn't want his.. brokenness.. to hurt Hawke. Also, its lightly implied that Fenris and Hawke DO reconcile at some point between then and act3, even if they dont actually talk about that -particular- night, though I believe more-so on the friendship path. You have to remember that maybe Varric doesn't get all the details. Once Hawke becomes the champion I'm sure they're probably not spending NEARLY so much time doing scandilous things in public (unless your hawke is dating merrill, lawl)

I am well aware of the fact that that's not ACTUALLY why he left. My first play through was a successful romance with Fenfen. But my heart belongs to anders, and thus i shorten it to "hit it and quit it." I personally prefer someone who didn't leave me.

[FieryDove]

DragonDrkFire wrote...

I am well aware of the fact that that's not ACTUALLY why he left. My first play through was a successful romance with Fenfen. But my heart belongs to anders, and thus i shorten it to "hit it and quit it." I personally prefer someone who didn't leave me.

Just curious...You prefer betrayal/lies to someone who takes a time out romantically? Fenris doesn't leave completely (thank heavens) and was in my party every quest after.

Also male hawke's +anders is much more awesome than female hawke's...sadly and not imho.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I feel bad for Fenris sometimes... simply because of the sheer number of people who use him as a "side dish" on Andersmance playthroughs (Guilty here. /cough)

That said, out of my three Hawkes, only one considers Anders' actions a betrayal... my rivalrymance rogue Hawke who really wanted to help Anders get rid of Justice and also really wanted to become Viscount. The other two consider his actions questionable, but valid, and appreciate that the lies that accompanied them existed to protect Hawke from blame and guilt.

If it were possible to have an Izzy interlude during the Fenris romance, I wouldn't consider it so annoying that he leaves... but the fact that he goes to take a long break and holds it against you if you sleep with anyone else in the intervening three years is what gets me about his romance.

One of my biggest relationship pet peeves is someone who refuses to actually talk about his emotions, and I always get the impression that the three year interlude with Fenris contains pretty much zero talking about what happened... so while I love Fenris and I do have a Hawke who stays faithful during that three year period, I can see why some people prefer Anders. Anders is like someone with a mental or physical illness who warns you that dating him won't be sunshine and roses, so when things aren't sunshine and roses I don't feel as betrayed as some people do, while Fenris was someone I thought would be a little more available and stable.

(Also, to call back to my earlier post... am I the only person who feels that Kaidan walking away on Horizon hurt more/felt like more of a betrayal than the Chantry boom? I am probably crazy, but I definitely feel that way.)

[FieryDove]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

(Also, to call back to my earlier post... am I the only person who feels that Kaidan walking away on Horizon hurt more/felt like more of a betrayal than the Chantry boom? I am probably crazy, but I definitely feel that way.)

No, not at all. I can't believe he stopped trusting Shep completely...Without trust there isn't much left in my book.

[Ryzaki]

Why do people think he holds it against Hawke? Because he assumes that if Hawke is sleeping with someone else he lost his chance? Oh my. What a ridiculous assumption for him to make! It's not like Hawke doesn't bother to clear the record or anything- oh wait.

Edit: Maybe it's because I'm like Fenris when it comes to relationships and if someone I like does start sleeping wth someone else I assume they're with that person now and I lost my chance. No use bringing up a bunch of unnecessary drama when I already lost. *shrugs*  

He doesn't hold it against Hawke he simply assumes Hawke and the newer LI are in a relationship and he lost his chance. It's not like Hawke can tell him that's not the case. It's not sex because he still gets back with a Hawke that regularly visits the pearl. 

That said the 3 years of not talking about it are ridculous. Should've been a year at most. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 juin 2011 - 07:48 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

FieryDove wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

(Also, to call back to my earlier post... am I the only person who feels that Kaidan walking away on Horizon hurt more/felt like more of a betrayal than the Chantry boom? I am probably crazy, but I definitely feel that way.)

No, not at all. I can't believe he stopped trusting Shep completely...Without trust there isn't much left in my book.

Which is why, out of all the Bioware men, Garrus is the best. Garrus will never leave you for any reason. Garrus is civilization.

[Ryzaki]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Yeah. I can't say I feel sorry for Fenris at all in the event that Hawke moves on. Three years is an awfully long romantic "time-out" for a single night of passion. Not to mention that walking out on Hawke afterwards, declaring that it should never have happened in the first place (yes, I know he says something else in the friendmance) is a thoroughly ****ty thing to do, especially if Hawke is the sort who only beds people he or she feels strongly for.

 

Which is exactly what he was trying to do. (force Hawke to move on). I have to say I do feel bad for him but that's probably because I share that personality type. And it is a s****y thing to do. (but of course he was trying to shove Hawke away it makes sense that he would be a bastard to accomplish that). 

I don't blame you for not feeling sorry for him though. That was his goal after all. To get Hawke to move on without regret. That's why he doesn't bring it up to Hawke. (at least that's how I see it). 

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Given that he can end up having a relationship with Izzy if you move on (and not with her), it should be possible to coax Fenris and Izzy into a polyamorous triad.

Yes, I know that's my answer to everything - but for ONCE my proposed poly triad actually makes perfect freaking sense in both cannon and lore.

As for why people think that Fenris holds other love affairs against them, it's partially a personality/gameplay conflation issue. Since he's the LI who is most finicky about starting a relationship if Hawke has already been with someone else, it comes off that way... for everyone else, if you're "broken up" with your other LI, it's possible to start a relationship. While it's still possible to do that with Fenris, it takes more careful planning (based on the guides I've seen for 'sleep with everyone' playthroughs. I'm not sure whether or not that was intentional, but it's definitely a significant difference.

People tend not to blame Hawke for relationship-related thingummies like that because Hawke is supposed to be "them." If a relationship can't be continued, it's more immersion breaking, game breaking, and uncomfortable to default to assuming that it's not continuing because Hawke doesn't communicate properly that he wants it to continue, rather than assuming it's not continuing because the LI isn't interested. When Hawke does something wildly out-of-character, or is limited in their interactions with a character, the default assumption that allows us to continue identifying with him as our avatar is that he was limited in his opportunities by outside forces.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 juin 2011 - 08:19 .