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[Warlocomotf]

I'm not sure if this idea has been suggested yet, but I feel I've possibly thought of the best reason as to why Cerberus might be against Shepard.

Namely, Cerberus probably wants alien species divided. They'd hate for Krogan and Salarians to resolve their issues. They'd hate for the Geth and Quarians to get along. One of Shepard's tasks in ME3 will be to try to unite all these forces.

It is ofcourse still strange that Cerberus would consider this a bigger problem than the Reapers- however it might atleast explain why Cerberus is trying to kill Shepard.
 
Thoughts?

[HogarthHughes 3]

I'm pretty sure those reports after missions in ME2 are TIMs words, correct? If so then TIM was concerned over the possibility of war between the Geth and the Quarians, because their help will be needed to fight the reapers.

*edit - For reference, the specific post-mission reports I read this in are after Talis LM and I think there is even something after Talis recruitment mission, not quite sure about the latter though.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 05 juin 2011 - 01:36 .

[BubbleSauce]

It's already been announced Cerberus is after Shepard simply because they're working for the reapers. And besides, the illusive man was trying to stop a war, not trying to cause one.

Although then again, there is a rumour going around that the illusive man will not be the one after shepard and that it's either a splinter group, or he's just been overpowered by his own organisation and forced to leave cerberus behind. 

Modifié par BubbleSauce, 05 juin 2011 - 01:56 .

[sympathy4saren]

If Cerberus was working for the Reapers the whole time and not because of Indoctrination, this will be super, super lame and destroy all characterization they had

[Warlocomotf]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

I'm pretty sure those reports after missions in ME2 are TIMs words, correct? If so then TIM was concerned over the possibility of war between the Geth and the Quarians, because their help will be needed to fight the reapers.

*edit - For reference, the specific post-mission reports I read this in are after Talis LM and I think there is even something after Talis recruitment mission, not quite sure about the latter though.

That's a good point. However I always read it as "We can't have them dwindling in numbers- we need those numbers", as opposed to "if they made peace, that'd be good". Mind you, it's a strong argument.

BogdanV wrote...

It still wouldn't make much sense. I mean, they resurrected Shepard for a problem waay smaller than a Reaper invasion. Its quite clear that Cerberus saw Shepard as vital to humanity's survival against the Reapers.

What I'm thinking is two possible scenarios :
    Either the Reapers managed to break Cerberus apart and what you're fighting is a indoctrinated splinter faction, or..
    TIM is under Reaper control, considering the events in Evolution and his strange-looking eyes.

From the into to ME2 I got the impression they resurrected Shepard for the purpose of being a symbol, an Icon; rather than his abilities. When Shepard blew up a whole system it may be fair to assume Shepard could no longer serve that purpose.

BubbleSauce wrote...

It's already been announced Cerberus is after Shepard simply because they're working for the reapers.

Can you tell me where this was announced? I haven't actually read anything official saying that so far.

[Commander Shep4rd]

possibly:

Give Base: TIM doesnt need you anymore and is indoctrinated

destroy Base: TIM angry.

[candidate88766]

One of the devs implied on Twitter that TIM may not actually be after you - perhaps that means only part of Cerberus?

Maybe one of the cells that didn't originally agree with the resurrection, or maybe don't even know it was Cerberus that revived him, has decided that the best way to stall the Reapers' destruction of Earth is to give in to their requests - offer Shepard to them in order to at least buy some time for Earth.



Or, maybe part of Cerberus views the Reaper occupation of Earth as Shepard's failure - they brought Shepard back to protect humanity from the Reapers, but the Reapers have arrived at the heart of humanity regardless. Perhaps Cerberus views this as a failure on Shepard's part and so is willing to do anything to buy Earth some time - even if that means killing Shepard for them. Shepard may've taken down the Collectors, but they may views his inability to protect Earth as a failure (would be an overreaction by them, but then again they are fairly extreme about protecting humanity, and maybe some rogue cells are even more extreme than TIM).

[onelifecrisis]

sympathy4saren wrote...

If Cerberus was working for the Reapers the whole time and not because of Indoctrination, this will be super, super lame and destroy all characterization they had

That's par for the ME course.

OP, TBH I think your explanation leaves a fair bit to be desired.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 05 juin 2011 - 03:18 .

[BubbleSauce]

Warlocomotf wrote...

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

I'm pretty sure those reports after missions in ME2 are TIMs words, correct? If so then TIM was concerned over the possibility of war between the Geth and the Quarians, because their help will be needed to fight the reapers.

*edit - For reference, the specific post-mission reports I read this in are after Talis LM and I think there is even something after Talis recruitment mission, not quite sure about the latter though.

That's a good point. However I always read it as "We can't have them dwindling in numbers- we need those numbers", as opposed to "if they made peace, that'd be good". Mind you, it's a strong argument.

BogdanV wrote...

It still wouldn't make much sense. I mean, they resurrected Shepard for a problem waay smaller than a Reaper invasion. Its quite clear that Cerberus saw Shepard as vital to humanity's survival against the Reapers.

What I'm thinking is two possible scenarios :
    Either the Reapers managed to break Cerberus apart and what you're fighting is a indoctrinated splinter faction, or..
    TIM is under Reaper control, considering the events in Evolution and his strange-looking eyes.

From the into to ME2 I got the impression they resurrected Shepard for the purpose of being a symbol, an Icon; rather than his abilities. When Shepard blew up a whole system it may be fair to assume Shepard could no longer serve that purpose.

BubbleSauce wrote...

It's already been announced Cerberus is after Shepard simply because they're working for the reapers.

Can you tell me where this was announced? I haven't actually read anything official saying that so far.

I can't find it right now, it was organally confirmed in one of the magazines, I however read it in a thread phaedon wrote about all of the confirmed features for mass effect 3.

[candidate88766]

BubbleSauce wrote...

I can't find it right now, it was organally confirmed in one of the magazines, I however read it in a thread phaedon wrote about all of the confirmed features for mass effect 3.

It was from the GameInformer article. However, in the thread about that article one of the devs said that anything not directly quoted from Casey Hudson (who was interviewed for that article) may be wrong or simply based on what the magazine thinks will happen. The line about Cerberus working for the Reapers wasn't attributed to Casey, or any other dev, so it may not be entirely correct. Cerberus is an antagonist, but GameInformer may have wrongly assumed that automatically means working for the Reapers.

[Northern Sun]

My current theory is something like Crysis 2, with Shepard having something(maybe implanted in him during Lazarus) that has developed into a potent weapon against the reapers, and TIM wants to kill Shepard so he can take this weapon and use it against the reapers himself.

[BubbleSauce]

candidate88766 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

I can't find it right now, it was organally confirmed in one of the magazines, I however read it in a thread phaedon wrote about all of the confirmed features for mass effect 3.

It was from the GameInformer article. However, in the thread about that article one of the devs said that anything not directly quoted from Casey Hudson (who was interviewed for that article) may be wrong or simply based on what the magazine thinks will happen. The line about Cerberus working for the Reapers wasn't attributed to Casey, or any other dev, so it may not be entirely correct. Cerberus is an antagonist, but GameInformer may have wrongly assumed that automatically means working for the Reapers.

Ah, my mistake then, sorry

[JukeFrog]

I'm thinking that the current Shepard is a clone that was made using Reaper tech (real Shepard is dead). With the Reapers roaming the galaxy, Cerberus may fear that Shepard may turn. This wasn't a concern during ME2 since everything was going so well, but Cerberus' recent experience with Grayson has made them cautious. Cerberus fears that Shepard is subconciously doing what the Reapers want him/her to do: leading all the races of the galaxy into a well-prepared trap. Thus, by killing Shepard, Cerberus would actually be saving the galaxy from certain destruction.

[marshalleck]

Cerberus is after Shepard because Shepard is working for the Reapers. What a twist!

[BubbleSauce]

Northern Sun wrote...

My current theory is something like Crysis 2, with Shepard having something(maybe implanted in him during Lazarus) that has developed into a potent weapon against the reapers, and TIM wants to kill Shepard so he can take this weapon and use it against the reapers himself.

But he already has shepard on his side, why would there be any need to kill shepard in the first place, and even then if cerberus designed it I'm sure they can make another.

[candidate88766]

BubbleSauce wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

I can't find it right now, it was organally confirmed in one of the magazines, I however read it in a thread phaedon wrote about all of the confirmed features for mass effect 3.

It was from the GameInformer article. However, in the thread about that article one of the devs said that anything not directly quoted from Casey Hudson (who was interviewed for that article) may be wrong or simply based on what the magazine thinks will happen. The line about Cerberus working for the Reapers wasn't attributed to Casey, or any other dev, so it may not be entirely correct. Cerberus is an antagonist, but GameInformer may have wrongly assumed that automatically means working for the Reapers.

Ah, my mistake then, sorry

Don't apologise - it was in the article and it was in the features thread. I'm not saying its wrong, I'm just saying it may not be the full story. 

[Northern Sun]

BubbleSauce wrote...

Northern Sun wrote...

My current theory is something like Crysis 2, with Shepard having something(maybe implanted in him during Lazarus) that has developed into a potent weapon against the reapers, and TIM wants to kill Shepard so he can take this weapon and use it against the reapers himself.

But he already has shepard on his side, why would there be any need to kill shepard in the first place, and even then if cerberus designed it I'm sure they can make another.

Well, in Crysis 2 the weapon(the suit) wasn't ready at first. It had to interact with the Ceph before it could be used, maybe Shepard had to interact with the reapers before it could develop. As for killing him, Alcatraz was doing a fine job, but Hargreave thought he could do better, so perhaps TIM thinks that since he built said weapon, he can use it more effectively than Shepard.

I obviously have no evidence for this, but it seemed in my mind a logical explanation and it doesn't factor in indoctrination or "for the eviluz".

[Destroy Raiden_]

I think it's because Tim found out his control chip won't work like he thought it would.

My theory on this is:

Upon shep's death tim figured out a golden strategy to defeat the reapers and proceeded to try to bring shep back, he used reaper tech and put in the control chip for his plans. He lied to Miranda about said chip and told shep he was the exact same person he/she was before they died which too is a lie.

Tim planed for shep to be hacked or put into a position where he will become vulnerable enough to be taken over by any reaper and after some time passes he will use the chip so shep will have two masters. The reapers unaware of the chip sense shep is unaware of it will tell shep to destroy things and so long as it doesn't clash with what tim thinks should be saved he'll allow it to occur but tim will also use the chip to have shep sabotage the reaper, it's plans, and any action tim deems fit paving the way for Cerberus and the Alliance and anyother human fractions who wish to help take out the reapers

but the problem is he's found out that the chip won't work the reaper control is too strong and shep physically and mentally can't take two masters so in order insure his plan will work 100% he wants shep back so he can retool him and if shep can't be fixed he will be destroyed so he can't be used as a weapon against tim.

[Destroy Raiden_]

JukeFrog wrote...

I'm thinking that the current Shepard is a clone that was made using Reaper tech (real Shepard is dead). With the Reapers roaming the galaxy, Cerberus may fear that Shepard may turn. This wasn't a concern during ME2 since everything was going so well, but Cerberus' recent experience with Grayson has made them cautious. Cerberus fears that Shepard is subconciously doing what the Reapers want him/her to do: leading all the races of the galaxy into a well-prepared trap. Thus, by killing Shepard, Cerberus would actually be saving the galaxy from certain destruction.

^ this could work too. I'm trying to figure out what decisions we've made so far could be twisted to aid the reapers and so far keeping the base, keeping the geth, keeping the rachni, allowing virmire scientist to live, allowing the council Asari to live could all factor into this.

However Xen and the Aleri info could be retooled to rewrite geth whom the reapers have taken so there is one backup.

[vendo_23]

Originally I thought it was because Shepard pissed TIM off. He's essentially run off with the Normandy SR-2, which was probably pretty goddamn expensive. Plus, theres destroying the collector base. But that only accounts for the Paragon side - if you ended ME2 as a Renegade, the ME2 ending relationship with Cerberus was relatively fine.

So, I guess it could be any number of things. A part of Cerberus or even TIM himself could be indoctrinated (take a look at his eyes...has that ever been explained? Are they really ocular implants or is there something more sinister?). Cerberus wanted the Reapers gone because they are a threat to humanity. That probably doesn't change in ME3 unless there's some sort of doctrination involved, probably something similar to what happened with Dr. Kenson in Arrival. That seems like the most rational explanation to me...

[Darth Death]

TIM might hate aliens, but he wouldn't turn down a helping hand if it advances his cause. Just like what he did with Liara & Feron (finding Shepard's body).

[bigSarg]

This has been discussed on another thread, but its all speculation since nothing has ever been confirmed.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Commander Shep4rd wrote...

possibly:

Give Base: TIM doesnt need you anymore and is indoctrinated

destroy Base: TIM angry.

My thoughts exactly.