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[Paul Sedgmore]

vendo_23 wrote...

Originally I thought it was because Shepard pissed TIM off. He's essentially run off with the Normandy SR-2, which was probably pretty goddamn expensive. Plus, theres destroying the collector base. But that only accounts for the Paragon side - if you ended ME2 as a Renegade, the ME2 ending relationship with Cerberus was relatively fine.

So, I guess it could be any number of things. A part of Cerberus or even TIM himself could be indoctrinated (take a look at his eyes...has that ever been explained? Are they really ocular implants or is there something more sinister?). Cerberus wanted the Reapers gone because they are a threat to humanity. That probably doesn't change in ME3 unless there's some sort of doctrination involved, probably something similar to what happened with Dr. Kenson in Arrival. That seems like the most rational explanation to me...

The reason for they eyes was explained in the last comic, I think it's possible that a part of Cerberus has gone rogue and are now under the influence of the Reapers

[candidate88766]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

The reason for they eyes was explained in the last comic, I think it's possible that a part of Cerberus has gone rogue and are now under the influence of the Reapers

What was the reason? Those eyes were pretty nifty and I always wondered what they were for.

OT - I think that one of Cerberus' cells may have decided that what is best for humanity is to cooperate with the Reapers, maybe even get turned into a Reaper, and so are trying to kill Shepard as some kind of bargain. I don't think TIM is behind it though, even if you went all paragon on him. I doubt Bioware would go to the trouble of writing such an interesting character just for him to do a u-turn. I think he'll be fighting the Reapers regardless of whether Shepard gave him the base or not - I just imagine his cooperation is dependant on that choice. Thats my thoughts anyway. Hopefully we won't know until the game is released.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Shepard (and crew) is the only person still alive who has spoken to Sovereign, so it could be possible that most people don't know about the expendable nature of the Reapers' minions.

[Eshaye]

The answer to why Cerberus is after Shepard is in the PC Gamer on the stands right now. And most of you are going to hate it. I'm almost wishing PC Gamer is on crack and got it wrong and making huge assumptions. Some of what they said in the article is already out dated so maybe... However I got this sick feeling it's the correct reason. :/

I can't wait to see the flame wars at the launch of ME3.

[Someone With Mass]

I think that it's a rogue Cerberus cell that's working for the Reapers, because I like to think that not even TIM can't be so stupid to undermine everything he's built up to this point.

[Vertigo_1]

Eshaye wrote...

The answer to why Cerberus is after Shepard is in the PC Gamer on the stands right now. And most of you are going to hate it. I'm almost wishing PC Gamer is on crack and got it wrong and making huge assumptions. Some of what they said in the article is already out dated so maybe... However I got this sick feeling it's the correct reason. :/

I can't wait to see the flame wars at the launch of ME3.

That was never quoted from a developer; just the author doing speculation.

[Eshaye]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

The answer to why Cerberus is after Shepard is in the PC Gamer on the stands right now. And most of you are going to hate it. I'm almost wishing PC Gamer is on crack and got it wrong and making huge assumptions. Some of what they said in the article is already out dated so maybe... However I got this sick feeling it's the correct reason. :/

I can't wait to see the flame wars at the launch of ME3.

That was never quoted from a developer; just the author doing speculation.

I sure hope so because it's fricking lame. 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

The #1 reason, really, is that the Reapers need infantry/ground troops. The Geth are indisposed, and the Collectors... are just disposed.

[byzantine horse]

If you had a Paragon ending of ME2, ie destroyed the Collector Base, I suppose that TIM would be so pissed that he decides that you are more trouble than you are worth, Reapers or not.

If you had a Renegade ending, they are most likely indoctrinated by the technology they found on the base. Remember that all the Cerberus operatives sent to the derelict Reaper turned up as husks - of course that was a real Reaper, but the Collector base probably isn't that much better once you've spent a couple of months there.

Or a more general reason disregarding your choices in ME2 could simply be that Cerberus believes Shepard to have served his or her purpose and is no longer needed. Travelling across the galaxy to enlist the aid of the other species probably doesn't sit well with Cerberus either, them being "Human Powah!" and all. Or just maybe they're pissed because you took the Normandy and got yourself captured by the Alliance.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 05 juin 2011 - 11:13 .

[Vertigo_1]

Eshaye wrote...
I sure hope so because it's fricking lame. 

For me if it isn't from a developer its not true.

[Paul Sedgmore]

candidate88766 wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

The reason for they eyes was explained in the last comic, I think it's possible that a part of Cerberus has gone rogue and are now under the influence of the Reapers

What was the reason? Those eyes were pretty nifty and I always wondered what they were for.

OT - I think that one of Cerberus' cells may have decided that what is best for humanity is to cooperate with the Reapers, maybe even get turned into a Reaper, and so are trying to kill Shepard as some kind of bargain. I don't think TIM is behind it though, even if you went all paragon on him. I doubt Bioware would go to the trouble of writing such an interesting character just for him to do a u-turn. I think he'll be fighting the Reapers regardless of whether Shepard gave him the base or not - I just imagine his cooperation is dependant on that choice. Thats my thoughts anyway. Hopefully we won't know until the game is released.

I've sent the reason in a PM as it is pretty Spoilery and this is a no spoiler forum

[TheCrakFox]

I really can't imagine Cerberus coming after you for any reason as petty as destroying the Collector base. It was made pretty clear in ME2 that Cerberus want the Reapers dead, whatever the cost.
Either TIM has been indoctrinated or there's some big conspiracy going on as part of the "I am your father" sized twist Bioware have been touting.

[onelifecrisis]

candidate88766 wrote...
I doubt Bioware would go to the trouble of writing such an interesting character just for him to do a u-turn.

Liara.

[Eshaye]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...
I sure hope so because it's fricking lame. 

For me if it isn't from a developer its not true.

Well I just finished the last comic, and it all points to the article on PC Gamer being true.

Let me get my popcorn... 

[onelifecrisis]

Eshaye wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Eshaye wrote...
I sure hope so because it's fricking lame. 

For me if it isn't from a developer its not true.

Well I just finished the last comic, and it all points to the article on PC Gamer being true.

Let me get my popcorn... 

You never actually said what it was, only that it's in PC Gamer. So.... what is it? What's the reason?

[Eshaye]

onelifecrisis wrote...

You never actually said what it was, only that it's in PC Gamer. So.... what is it? What's the reason?

Well this is the non spoilers forum soooo... I'll send you an IM. 

[matt-bassist]

It should be as simple as this:

1. If you destroyed the collector base, TIM and cerberus are super pissed off and want you dead.
2. If you kept the base and gave it to TIM, he discovers something really game-changing and determines that you're too much of a liability and wants you dead.

All it would take is a couple hundred lines of alternate dialogue, but it would REALLY make your desicion at the end of ME2 matter that much more...

[Ahglock]

I doubt whatever reason they come up with will hold up to scrutiny. When something is ludicrous on its face, it is kind of hard to make it work.

[TheCrakFox]

matt-bassist wrote...


1. If you destroyed the collector base, TIM and cerberus are super pissed off and want you dead.

I sure hope this doesn't happen. Petty vengence is a weaksauce reason for Cerberus to turn on Shepard.

[byzantine horse]

TheCrakFox wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...


1. If you destroyed the collector base, TIM and cerberus are super pissed off and want you dead.

I sure hope this doesn't happen. Petty vengence is a weaksauce reason for Cerberus to turn on Shepard.

Not necesarily. For all we know getting the Collector Base could be the sole reason for Cerberus reviving Shepard. TIM might have used the Reaper-threat as a ruse to get Shepard to willingly do his bidding. This doesn't need to mean that TIM and the rest of Cerberus are indoctrinated in ME2 already, certainly not, but it might mean that Cerberus on various locations throughout the galaxy thinks they have found evidence of them being able to adapt Reaper tech to overcome the Reapers on their own. And they needed Shepard to get them that tech. What happens to the Reapers, Shepard or the galaxy in the meantime probably wouldn't mean much to them if they manage to accumulate a device capable to destroying or controlling the Reapers.

Far-fetched? Obvoiusly  But we don't kno anything so speculation can't hurt.

[candidate88766]

onelifecrisis wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...
I doubt Bioware would go to the trouble of writing such an interesting character just for him to do a u-turn.

Liara.

I said interesting character.

*I do like Liara, but in ME1 she was quite dull. Her ME2 character was pretty different, but she was a much better character because of it I think.

[Ice Cold J]

I think the Illusive Man just wants to "control" Shepard and wants to tell him what to do.

Plus, he's invested SO much in Shepard that he feels Shep's his property now.

[TheCrakFox]

byzantine horse wrote...

TheCrakFox wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...


1. If you destroyed the collector base, TIM and cerberus are super pissed off and want you dead.

I sure hope this doesn't happen. Petty vengence is a weaksauce reason for Cerberus to turn on Shepard.

Not necesarily. For all we know getting the Collector Base could be the sole reason for Cerberus reviving Shepard. TIM might have used the Reaper-threat as a ruse to get Shepard to willingly do his bidding. This doesn't need to mean that TIM and the rest of Cerberus are indoctrinated in ME2 already, certainly not, but it might mean that Cerberus on various locations throughout the galaxy thinks they have found evidence of them being able to adapt Reaper tech to overcome the Reapers on their own. And they needed Shepard to get them that tech. What happens to the Reapers, Shepard or the galaxy in the meantime probably wouldn't mean much to them if they manage to accumulate a device capable to destroying or controlling the Reapers.

Far-fetched? Obvoiusly  But we don't kno anything so speculation can't hurt.

That would be a reason for them to be super pissed at Shep. But why spend so much resources trying to kill him? They need something to gain.
Maybe they have the exact same motivations as Saren, but we've seen it all before. Something new and different would be nice.

[Eshaye]

We are assuming that 'after Shepard' means to kill Shepard, but maybe it's more of a capture type of thing too.