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[Destroy Raiden_]

Ice Cold J wrote...

I think the Illusive Man just wants to "control" Shepard and wants to tell him what to do.

Plus, he's invested SO much in Shepard that he feels Shep's his property now.

^ This. I agree that tim must also feel this towards shep. He brought shep back he owns him mind and body and when shep doesn't want to play along it irritates tim to no ends as most control freaks get.

[Elvis_Mazur]

No, I wouldn't believe much in that.

Since the Reapers are here, they are the bigger problem, not a united galaxy in the aftermath.

[Bad King]

BubbleSauce wrote...

It's already been announced Cerberus is after Shepard simply because they're working for the reapers.

No it hasn't. That was taken from an unreliable interpretation of the game from PC gamer magazine. BioWare themselves have refused to comment on why Cerberus are after Shepard so it didn't come from them.

Modifié par Bad King, 06 juin 2011 - 03:56 .

[Legbiter]

I think Cerberus either cut a deal with the Reapers to spare Cerberus but kill everyone else or that Cerberus has some sort of Ark project going where they go to ground and wait out the Reaper harvesting of the galaxy, giving humanity (Cerberus is humanity!) an empty galaxy to expand into again, but aware of the Reaper's existence.

[Turkeysock]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

I think the Illusive Man just wants to "control" Shepard and wants to tell him what to do.

Plus, he's invested SO much in Shepard that he feels Shep's his property now.

^ This. I agree that tim must also feel this towards shep. He brought shep back he owns him mind and body and when shep doesn't want to play along it irritates tim to no ends as most control freaks get.

I'd have to disagree with both of you guys. If TIM wanted to control Shepard, then he wouldn't have objected to Miranda putting a control chip or whatever she called it into him so they can make sure that their interests come first. As many pointed out, TIM put a lot of trust into Shepard, though he shows it in weird ways.

Frankly, I have to side with those who speculated that TIM might've been overthrown in ME3. I mean lets face it, TIM is radical, but he wasn't as radical as the people who experimented on Jack, it's possible that the more radical members either managed to find and killed(removed) TIM (from power), or broke away and has enough power to keep the rest of Cerberus off their back while they hunt down Shepard for their own reasons (Perhaps because they think they've managed to cut a deal with the Reapers, or perhaps as vengence for Shepard failing to protect Earth from the Reapers, or maybe for another completely different reason, who knows).

I doubt TIM would be indoctrinated though. As he said after you finished the derelict reaper mission, they would adjust plans so that Cerberus members wouldn't remain around Reaper tech for long term durations.

I'm just speculating, but I really do hope they don't go down the path of TIM being indoctrinated, as others have said, it would make the story really lame.

[onelifecrisis]

Eshaye wrote...

We are assuming that 'after Shepard' means to kill Shepard, but maybe it's more of a capture type of thing too.

I should think they just want his body. If he's alive, great. If not, just inject him with magic Lazarus juice.

[Siven80]

While lame, i do think they will use Indoctrination.

[BlackwindTheCommander]

Siven80 wrote...

While lame, i do think they will use Indoctrination.

Though lame to some, they are in fact going the Indoctrination route. During the exclusive GTTV demo with Casey Hudson you can hear Shepard explain to Liara the Cerberus units they're fighting are indoctrinated. 

I think indoctrination is the best way to go.

[Homebound]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Commander Shep4rd wrote...

possibly:

Give Base: TIM doesnt need you anymore and is indoctrinated

destroy Base: TIM angry.

My thoughts exactly.

tim is a jerk.

[byzantine horse]

 If there's a good reason for Cerberus being indoctrinated it doesn't have to be lame. And if they are indoctrinated 


### Spoiler ### (It's dark grey)

I think that a gameplay video shown on E3 had Shepard warning for Cerberus soldeirs "being indoctrinated".

### /Spoiler ###

the Reapers may want to create a Reaper with Shepard's DNA or something, and as shown before they caputre living subjects in order to do this.

Modifié par byzantine horse, 06 juin 2011 - 09:25 .

[evmiller]

Maybe this is a splinter group lead by an indoctrinated Miranda? Bioware's been pretty mum about her so far. Maybe we have to rescue/save or destroy her. Would add another emotional level to the game if she was your LI. If anyone could overthrow TIM, it'd be her.

Modifié par evmiller, 06 juin 2011 - 09:37 .

[Ice Cold J]

Turkeysock wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

I think the Illusive Man just wants to "control" Shepard and wants to tell him what to do.

Plus, he's invested SO much in Shepard that he feels Shep's his property now.

^ This. I agree that tim must also feel this towards shep. He brought shep back he owns him mind and body and when shep doesn't want to play along it irritates tim to no ends as most control freaks get.

I'd have to disagree with both of you guys. If TIM wanted to control Shepard, then he wouldn't have objected to Miranda putting a control chip or whatever she called it into him so they can make sure that their interests come first. As many pointed out, TIM put a lot of trust into Shepard, though he shows it in weird ways.

Frankly, I have to side with those who speculated that TIM might've been overthrown in ME3. I mean lets face it, TIM is radical, but he wasn't as radical as the people who experimented on Jack, it's possible that the more radical members either managed to find and killed(removed) TIM (from power), or broke away and has enough power to keep the rest of Cerberus off their back while they hunt down Shepard for their own reasons (Perhaps because they think they've managed to cut a deal with the Reapers, or perhaps as vengence for Shepard failing to protect Earth from the Reapers, or maybe for another completely different reason, who knows).

I doubt TIM would be indoctrinated though. As he said after you finished the derelict reaper mission, they would adjust plans so that Cerberus members wouldn't remain around Reaper tech for long term durations.

I'm just speculating, but I really do hope they don't go down the path of TIM being indoctrinated, as others have said, it would make the story really lame.

The main reason TIM didn't want a control chip in Shepard is that it wouldn't be "Sheaprd as he was," which was the overriding goal of The Lazarus Project. They could've cloned him for much less, apparently. Add into that TIM (like most dictator-type characters) feel that they have the charisma/influence/power to control ANYONE. When Shep didn't play by his rules in the end, he doesn't get his way and goes off to make an example out of Shep. A warning to anyone who would dare cross Cerebus (esp. since Shep "played" him, what with being brought back to life and getting a brand-new, state of the art ship).

Also, it's been confirmed that TIM is in ME3, so it's HIGHLY unlikely he's been assassinated by another branch of Cerebus. Hell, he meets almost no one face to face (Miranda being the only exception we're sure of). Of course, he could be killed earlier in in the game, but I highly doubt that.

As far as being "overthrown," it's an interesting concept. Again, I doubt it since so many people have supported him for so long: the investors, the chief branches of Cerebus. Then again, it would be interesting if he, like Liara, winds up rogue from Cerebus and is using his network of connections to feed you info about the state of Earth and the rest of the galaxy.

[Bluefuse]

It could be a certain cell of Cerberus that is under Reaper control, not TIM himself. I don't think BioWare would indoctrinate TIM. That would not give his character justice. He will help us in ME3, I know it.

Plus, READ THE EVOLUTION comic! TIM has a way of interacting with the indoctrinated. He is crucial to our efforts in ME3.

Modifié par Bluefuse, 07 juin 2011 - 06:12 .

[Paula Deen]

Because devoting a TON of resources and manpower to chase a man across the galaxy and kill him makes total sense when a highly advanced race of genocidal machines is trying to kill you and EVERYONE, and the man you're trying to kill is successfully resisting them...because you're ANGRY.

Yeah, makes no sense whatsoever. Especially for an intelligent man like TIM. I think him being indoctrinated is a weak and contrived excuse, but wanting the galaxy divided against a threat that will likely wipe everyone out even if the galaxy is united is a stupid and suicidal strategy at best.

[Bluefuse]

Just take my word for it: Parts of Cerberus is indoctrinated, but TIM is not. He just doesn't have total control anymore.

[Ice Cold J]

Paula Deen wrote...

Because devoting a TON of resources and manpower to chase a man across the galaxy and kill him makes total sense when a highly advanced race of genocidal machines is trying to kill you and EVERYONE, and the man you're trying to kill is successfully resisting them...because you're ANGRY.

Yeah, makes no sense whatsoever. Especially for an intelligent man like TIM. I think him being indoctrinated is a weak and contrived excuse, but wanting the galaxy divided against a threat that will likely wipe everyone out even if the galaxy is united is a stupid and suicidal strategy at best.

Harbinger and TIM struck a deal to assure humanity's "ascension." I guarantee it.

[MissMaster]

TIM reminds me of Saren. I think its the same story over again. Try to stop the Reapers they mess with your head.

[FrozenDreamfall]

Guys,read this,appeared 4 days ago,I keep searching for news on a daily basis,I think it should answer almost all of the answers,and goddamnit now I need to go back and kill the Rachni...http://wccftech.com/2011/05/07/mass-effect-3-detailed-pc-gamer-cerberus-working-reapers/

[FrozenDreamfall]

Hmm,I tried the link again and it gave me an error,maybe I posted it wrong,if not try this

http://wccftech.com/...orking-reapers/

or search in google Mass Effect 3 Cerberus after Shepard and it should be the 8th link on the 1st page.

[Bad King]

TIM is trying to kill Shepard to gain the reapers' trust, then he'll try and use his status to undermine their invasion.

[lekysma]

TIM is the kind of people who do tot take kindly to be crossed,who is powerful,has a huge ego and likes to hold grudges....do the math

[Hurbster]

In retrospect shooting TIM's cat after blowing the base may have been an error.

[Hurbster]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Hmm,I tried the link again and it gave me an error,maybe I posted it wrong,if not try this

http://wccftech.com/...orking-reapers/

or search in google Mass Effect 3 Cerberus after Shepard and it should be the 8th link on the 1st page.

3rd or 4th line does state it's purely the authors speculation.

[scarletsteam]

here is my theory cerberus is loaded with doushbags and pricks and the only cure is a couple bullets to the head!