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[Realmzmaster]

I actually prefer the Witcher 1 and DA2 to Witcher 2. I have already stated the reasons why in other threads, but I will recap. Witcher 1 and DA2 make better use of the mouse, better UI, better inventory system, allows for memorization of formulas (Witcher 1) and combat is more intuitive.
CDProfeckt finally allowed the mapping of the controls to a gamepad in the new TW2 patch. It may not sound like much to most people but when you have arthritis in your left hand playing with the WSAD keys for movement is a pain literally. The voice acting is bad in both Witchers.
The plots in both Witchers try to be complex, but end up being convoluted
The graphics in Witcher 2 are excellent, but after going over the same area many times it felt like DA2 re-used environments.
DA2 is a flawed game. The Witchers are flawed games.
But each is good in its own way. All three fail in comparison to DAO, but in my opinion DA2 was more fun than either Witcher, but YMMV.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Okay. People are still going to compare them. Watch and see if I'm wrong. I'm not.

Of course they are. Its still tiresome.

Edit: to clarify, I feel threads like these (or the reverse Pro-Witcher comparisons) seem to be more about stirring the pot than constructive discourse. And I say this even though the OP's opinion on both games is pretty close to my own.

It is a good thing to compare aspects of one game to another. Especially an aspect that fails in one and shines in another. It could provide insight for improvement. I feel that people who think that one game is better than the other and get confronted by aspects that shine in the other one, only have problems accepting that when they don't want to change their stance. To me, that's where things get tiresome.

The problem is the attitude of those mentioned above. I am not willing to give in to them, because I want to see the BW games improved. And if that means "tiresome discussions" then so be it.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 juin 2011 - 05:18 .

[Chromie]

Realmzmaster wrote...
The graphics in Witcher 2 are excellent, but after going over the same area many times it felt like DA2 re-used environments.

Lololollol

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ringo12 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...
The graphics in Witcher 2 are excellent, but after going over the same area many times it felt like DA2 re-used environments.

Lololollol

Talking about tiresome...

[Chromie]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...
The graphics in Witcher 2 are excellent, but after going over the same area many times it felt like DA2 re-used environments.

Lololollol

Talking about tiresome...

 I just don't feel the need to explain why I believe he is wrong. Fine if you don't like the game but no way in hell is that true. One cave, desolate Kirkwall, Wounded Coast and a few houses equal Witcher 2's game world? 

[Cutlass Jack]

Ringo12 wrote...

 I just don't feel the need to explain why I believe he is wrong. Fine if you don't like the game but no way in hell is that true. One cave, desolate Kirkwall, Wounded Coast and a few houses equal Witcher 2's game world? 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that AFW was agreeing with you not aiming that at you.

[Chromie]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

 I just don't feel the need to explain why I believe he is wrong. Fine if you don't like the game but no way in hell is that true. One cave, desolate Kirkwall, Wounded Coast and a few houses equal Witcher 2's game world? 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that AFW was agreeing with you not aiming that at you.

Well silly me.

[DreGregoire]

IMO, there is a world of difference between rerunning through the same area and walking into an area that is supposed to be unknown and new but uses the same layout as the last cave, etc.. Witcher 2 might have a bit too much environment, but I would rather too much of something than not enough. I remember when I went from playing DAO on playstation 3 to playing it on pc and being utterly pleased that there was actually more to the environment than PS3 had, chickens, cats, squirrels etc. It made me feel like I was playing a new game.

I loved DAO and I loved TW, and I am falling in love with TW2. I liked much in DA2 but I don't feel it did the Dragon Age game series justice for the pc.

I could play DAO hours on end non stop day after day; however, I have always had to take breaks from the Witcher because of the way the mouse system works. I played DA2 straight through to get it finished and haven't bothered going back on except to make video's . It's just lacks too much of what I loved from DAO

Edit: I meant to say I loved DAO but I had written DA2 changed now

Modifié par DreGregoire, 06 juin 2011 - 06:30 .

[Khayness]

People thinking their opinion is more valid because they support a pro stance is tiresome. CHud said every feedback is important because it is true for that person, and kudos to him for that.

It is not in our rights to tell what others should do in a forum (consisting of anonymous peeps who probably don't know each other and never will).

[AngryFrozenWater]

Ringo12 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

 I just don't feel the need to explain why I believe he is wrong. Fine if you don't like the game but no way in hell is that true. One cave, desolate Kirkwall, Wounded Coast and a few houses equal Witcher 2's game world?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that AFW was agreeing with you not aiming that at you.

Well silly me.

Jack was right.

[AngryFrozenWater]

DreGregoire wrote...

IMO, there is a world of difference between rerunning through the same area and walking into an area that is supposed to be unknown and new but uses the same layout as the last cave, etc.. Witcher 2 might have a bit too much environment, but I would rather too much of something than not enough. I remember when I went from playing DAO on playstation 3 to playing it on pc and being utterly pleased that there was actually more to the environment than PS3 had, chickens, cats, squirrels etc. It made me feel like I was playing a new game.

I loved DA2 and I loved TW, and I am falling in love with TW2. I liked much in DA2 but I don't feel it did the Dragon Age game series justice for the pc.

I could play DAO hours on end non stop day after day; however, I have always had to take breaks from the Witcher because of the way the mouse system works. I played DA2 straight through to get it finished and haven't bothered going back on except to make video's . It's just lacks too much of what I loved from DAO

I agree with most of what you said, but I have completed DA2 four times now. The fifth is near completion. It's hard to for me to finish it, though.

The first time I played the game I was still under the impression that I could make decisions that changed the story plot (as promised by Mr Laidlaw and the marketing). The second time I was surprised that it didn't matter much if at all. There were differences, but mostly cosmetic. I used different imports for each game. Obviously DA2 did something right, otherwise I would never invested that much time in it. At least I know what the weak points are when comparing it to DA:O, TW1, TW2 and other RPGs that I love. DA2 just happens to be on the bottom of that list.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 juin 2011 - 05:56 .

[Dariuszp]

What can I say... I prefer dogs over cats :-) I prefer brunettes over blondes. Some people dont :-)

Still it's silly to talk about Witcher 2 (yes, this part is compared) and DA when you didn't play TW2.

Also, check your kids age Witcher 2 have brutal world full of blood, sex, lies, racism, drugs, violence and worst - politics. Very dark fantasy if you ask me. Still its feel good after all this "hero saving the world" crap.

PS: There is no such thing like universal opinion - if I digg it up i will show you that when you ask (not here, someone post answer too soon) about "10 + 10 * 0 = ?" you will get 10, 20 and 0 as result from bunch of people :-) And you will find always some kind of Philosoph who will say that mathematics is wrong and there is no correct answer to that question :-D Life :-D

[erynnar]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Okay. People are still going to compare them. Watch and see if I'm wrong. I'm not.

Of course they are. Its still tiresome.

Edit: to clarify, I feel threads like these (or the reverse Pro-Witcher comparisons) seem to be more about stirring the pot than constructive discourse. And I say this even though the OP's opinion on both games is pretty close to my own.

It is a good thing to compare aspects of one game to another. Especially an aspect that fails in one and shines in another. It could provide insight for improvement. I feel that people who think that one game is better than the other and get confronted by aspects that shine in the other one, only have problems accepting that when they don't want to change their stance. To me, that's where things get tiresome.

The problem is the attitude of those mentioned above. I am not willing to give in to them, because I want to see the BW games improved. And if that means "tiresome discussions" then so be it.

And this is one of the reasons I adore you. Very reasonable. And I feel the same way. If it is tiresome to anyone, I am sorry. But I would rather stay here and discuss ( with snark that gets misinterpeted--my own fault to be sure--sometimes) and hope that I am actually helping to make things great for all of us. I don't know how well I am doing at it. But if it makes me tiresome, well, that's the price I have to pay, I am willing.

[Lumikki]

Witcher has pre-define character, also it's combat and movement system is very clumpsy. Lip sync doesn't exist and so on..  How ever, in general it's very nice game.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 juin 2011 - 10:59 .

[Corto81]

Lumikki wrote...

Witcher has pre-define character, also it's combat and movement system is very clumpsy. Lip sync doesn't exist and so on..  How ever, in general it's very nice game.

DAO how ever, is much more quality game and even DA2 is with it's all issues, DA series games are still technically better game. How ever, story telling, that's different story.

That's your opinion.

I found TW2 combat challenging and responsive to how you approach the battle, lip sync decent and overall voice acting better than DA2. And the pre-defined character fits and doesn't try to hide it
(unlike DA2 that has a pre-defined character, but tries clumsily to hide it).

Overall, I'd rank them like this:
Origins, The Witcher 2 (best RPGs since BG2, IMO... just excel in different areas)
Witcher 1
DA2

[Lumikki]

@Corto81

We disagree so big time that it's not even point to comment much at all.

In DA2, you can change Hawkes look, gender and even class. So, I can be female young looking archer with red hair or I could be old male warrior with gray hair. That's character customation. In Withcher there is no option at all, it's one pre-define male melee warrior with few magic abilities , with white hair and scar in the face. No-one can play any differently.

PS: class doesn't just change proffession as name, it actually change hole gameplay how you play that character in combat.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 juin 2011 - 11:17 .

[Dragoonlordz]

TW2 > DAO > TW1 > DA2. ~Just saying~

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TW2 > DAO > TW1 > DA2. ~Just saying~

Yep, that about sums it up.

How about:

Games I love: TW2 & DAII

Games I like just fine but lost much of its appeal: DAO & TW1

No? Heresy?

Ah, dammit!

[Dubya75]

neppakyo wrote...

Doesn't sound like you actually played the Witcher 2(TW2 is the game being compared to DA2, not TW1). And unless your son is over 17, he shouldnt be playing that game, if he is under 17, then you're a horrible parent. ^-^

This.

[andraip]

erynnar wrote...

Um TW2 is much improved from Wicher 1. And you should try it really as it is a great game (I think) and it is the one being compared to DA2 and DAO.

And Nepp's silly teasing aside, his smiley is funky. It is really not a game for younger than 17, just FYI. I was a kid once, I know what it is to sneak something not age appropriate past the parents.
(...)

Just FYI, in Germany TW2 is a non-mature title, it's +16, instead of +18. And of course it's the uncut version.

[Persephone]

Does it have to be a "My dolly is prettier than yours!" contest?

Really?

[Dubya75]

marshalleck wrote...

 The fact is, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim and Deus Ex: HR are all high-profile sequels all releasing in the same year. They're in direct competition. What would be strange or unbelievable would be people not comparing them. And I think comparisons are fair game, if one can explain how they reason the comparison to be valid. Summarily locking any thread which discusses any other game would not be helpful. Much like games, each discussion should be considered individually to see whether it has merit. After all, each gamer has likes and dislikes and it's useful information to convey to Bioware about what they or someone else did, which you really enjoyed. Or not.

I totally agree with this statement. Not sure when it became taboo to compare different RPGs with each other, seems a bit silly not to compare.
I think BioWare can take a lot from CDPROJEKT, and vive versa.
DA2 has its (few) strong points, and so does TW2.

TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

Because why? We want BioWare to do better!

Modifié par Dubya75, 06 juin 2011 - 11:46 .