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[Dariuszp]

Lumikki wrote...

@Corto81

We disagree so big time that it's not even point to comment much at all.

In DA2, you can change Hawkes look, gender and even class. So, I can be female young looking archer with red hair or I could be old male warrior with gray hair. That's character customation. In Withcher there is no option at all, it's one pre-define male melee warrior with few magic abilities , with white hair and scar in the face. No-one can play any differently.

PS: class doesn't just change proffession as name, it actually change hole gameplay how you play that character in combat.

Sorry Limikki but now you are trolling in my opinion because it was explain to you long ago. Witcher is a Witcher. When you have game where main character is Witcher (silver sword for monsters, normal for people, alchemy, sings and stuff) then you cannot run around throwing firewalls, levitate, teleport and stuff.
You can focus on magic, swords or alchemy. All give you something in exchange of something else.
So if you play as Witcher - you cannot be gay Elf whole love orange juice and could not kill a fly and he always teleport his enemies to some paradise just because he dont want to hurt them.

You could change Hawkes look, gender and even class - yes. I was blood mage who run around templars doing blood magic and they give a ****. Also I was running around with bunch of normal humans as warden or just as human as hawk. And gues what - i was all in darkspawns blood but i give a ****. In same time some templar idiot got few drops on him and his sick. 
I prefer ready to go, already created world with politics, well known characters and stuff - world that is consistent. Well made. DA world is just stupid in loot of ways (running around casting spells in skirt, with huge staff on my back and some idiot ask - Are you a mage ? And i was just doing blood magic right before him).
Ofcourse I love to create my own character if company can deliver it. In DAO they could with few problems. In DA II they were not even close.

So: "CONSISTENT, WELL MADE WORLD WITH INTERESTING CHARACTERS THAT ARE KNOWN TO WHOVER PLAY FIRST GAME OR READ BOOK" > "CRAPY INCONSISTENT WORLD WITH NO HISTORY AT ALL"

And all fights was just "PRESS R, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, PRESS R 1, 2, 3... etc...". Button smashing. R because i was just too lazy to click on some poorly redesign monster.  And what Witcher offer ?
- 2 kinds of swords
- alchemy
- traps
- firecrackers
- sings
- ability to evade attacks
- 200% dmg on my and enemy back
- ability to create items and stuff
- block and counter-attack
- two kinds of attacks (strong and fast)
- ability to aim if i want (for example throw burning ****** between 2 enemies)
- fluid and dynamic combat system
- 3 area of focus in skill system - you can be swordmaster, someone near mage or just hybrid who combain magic, swordplay and alchemy, no limitation to a class

Also they release patch 1.2 that fix targeting problem (loose focus on target after gaining distance) and Geralt responsivity among few other things (2 weeks after release).
Yout profesion or name didnt change nothing in game. It's still button smasher. Nightmare in this game just making fights longer. In TW2 it's harder. So sorry but if character customization is only thing that you can point...

Also do you remember PT ? One of the nicest RPG game out there that i even play not long ago (GOG.com - W7 compatybility). You did have pre-defined character and stuff - still it's one of the best RPG game i known.
Also PT have something that TW and others dont have and what i want. In PT you could just talk over whole game it you didn't like to fight. It was fantastic.

Also there is much more things. For example both TW and TW2 dont have DRM. As customer they treat me as they should. I still need internet connection to play DAO. Pirates just play using cracks and me - Bioware treat like thief.

But it's just my humble opinion. Anyway:

TW2 > TW1 > DAO > FALLOUT > PT > BG >  KOTOR > NWN > bunch of avarage RPG games out there with DA II amongs them

Modifié par Dariuszp, 06 juin 2011 - 11:54 .

[Persephone]

Dubya75 wrote...


TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

They are way too different to be compared, IMO. Love 'em both for very different reasons. 

See, I like rubies just as much as sapphires. Both are jewels, yet they go with different clothes, occasions, have different meanings.......

I much prefer to have the cake AND eat the chocolate. I won't choose.

[SirGladiator]

I think its safe to say that TW2 was genre-redefining, in a way that DA2 hoped to be but wasn't. It's good for everybody though, not just the folks who made or simply enjoyed TW2. Even if you didn't like TW2 you will benefit from it being so awesome, because its now the new measuring stick, any game from now on that isn't as awesome as TW2 will be negatively compared to it, and everybody knows it. The TW2 folks have acknowledged that they got their inspiration from Bioware, and you can certainly see plenty of that Bioware influence in TW2. And now Bioware will be inspired by TW2 as they attempt to make DA3 even better than TW2. Its going to raise the standard, so whether you enjoyed TW2 or not you're going to enjoy future games a lot more because of its positive influence, and that means we're all winners!

[Persephone]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its safe to say that TW2 was genre-redefining, in a way that DA2 hoped to be but wasn't. It's good for everybody though, not just the folks who made or simply enjoyed TW2. Even if you didn't like TW2 you will benefit from it being so awesome, because its now the new measuring stick, any game from now on that isn't as awesome as TW2 will be negatively compared to it, and everybody knows it. The TW2 folks have acknowledged that they got their inspiration from Bioware, and you can certainly see plenty of that Bioware influence in TW2. And now Bioware will be inspired by TW2 as they attempt to make DA3 even better than TW2. Its going to raise the standard, so whether you enjoyed TW2 or not you're going to enjoy future games a lot more because of its positive influence, and that means we're all winners!

We may not agree a lot re: DAII, but IMHO this hits the nail straight on the head.

[_Aine_]

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its safe to say that TW2 was genre-redefining, in a way that DA2 hoped to be but wasn't. It's good for everybody though, not just the folks who made or simply enjoyed TW2. Even if you didn't like TW2 you will benefit from it being so awesome, because its now the new measuring stick, any game from now on that isn't as awesome as TW2 will be negatively compared to it, and everybody knows it. The TW2 folks have acknowledged that they got their inspiration from Bioware, and you can certainly see plenty of that Bioware influence in TW2. And now Bioware will be inspired by TW2 as they attempt to make DA3 even better than TW2. Its going to raise the standard, so whether you enjoyed TW2 or not you're going to enjoy future games a lot more because of its positive influence, and that means we're all winners!

Agree with this!  Raising the bar, raises the bar, period.  It can do good things for our games!

That said, I would always recommend TW2 to people who didn't care for TW1 as it is much improved in immersiveness,story, environment and general cohesion (imho) just as I would recommend DAO to people who didn't care for DA2.   Sometimes, the comparison between games in the same series can tell a lot, sometimes comparing games in a genre says a great deal also.  It is natural to compare. Being civil about it though, is helpful.  

[Ronin2006]

Dubya75 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 The fact is, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim and Deus Ex: HR are all high-profile sequels all releasing in the same year. They're in direct competition. What would be strange or unbelievable would be people not comparing them. And I think comparisons are fair game, if one can explain how they reason the comparison to be valid. Summarily locking any thread which discusses any other game would not be helpful. Much like games, each discussion should be considered individually to see whether it has merit. After all, each gamer has likes and dislikes and it's useful information to convey to Bioware about what they or someone else did, which you really enjoyed. Or not.

I totally agree with this statement. Not sure when it became taboo to compare different RPGs with each other, seems a bit silly not to compare.
I think BioWare can take a lot from CDPROJEKT, and vive versa.
DA2 has its (few) strong points, and so does TW2.

TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

Because why? We want BioWare to do better!

Dubya, it's interesting how your opinion of DA 2 seems to have swung back and forth a lot, but glad to see that you're starting to see if for the "cheap plastic" that it really is.  I'm sure people put in a lot of effort into it, and with good intentions, but as a whole, the product is not worth the value of the box it comes packaged in.

It is interesting how some things become "taboo" on this forum for no particular reason other than people are desperate to defend the disappointment that is DA2 at all costs.  Sure, they can come up with reasons on why they disagree with someone and why they think it's a good game, and that's fine and respectable, but if their argument consists of:

• You can't compare DA 2 to the Wticher 2
  
  
• What you said is just opinion
  
  
• Criticising Mike Laidlaw's ideology is a "personal attack" (No, it's a criticism of him in a professional capacity, and his work, and not a personal thing at all)
  
  
• You can't resurrect an old thread
  
  
• This opinion doesn't allow for discussion
  
  
• This point has been stated before

Then they aren't really arguing against the points somebody is making, just the person themselves.  Probably because they can't stomach the fact that a significant part of the Bioware fanbase was not fond of this game and they need to reflexively defend it to validate their opinion that it's a good game.

Anyway, I certainly think that comparisons between TW2 and DA 2 are fair, and this is whether or not you like either game.

To me personally, TW2 was much more in line with my expectations of what an RPG is and should be.  The emphasis on deep (even hardcore) RPG mechanics by CDProjekt was a welcome breath of fresh air after what Bioware tried to achieve with DA2.  TW2 also seemed to be a calculated measure of evolution of the genre, rather than an attempted and failed revolution.

While I still like some things that Bioware do (party based combat, and a main character that can be customised - though the customisation is limited compared to DAO), I ultimately feel that TW2 was by far and away the more enjoyable, immersive and rewarding experience.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 06 juin 2011 - 12:12 .

[Persephone]

Ronin2006 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 The fact is, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim and Deus Ex: HR are all high-profile sequels all releasing in the same year. They're in direct competition. What would be strange or unbelievable would be people not comparing them. And I think comparisons are fair game, if one can explain how they reason the comparison to be valid. Summarily locking any thread which discusses any other game would not be helpful. Much like games, each discussion should be considered individually to see whether it has merit. After all, each gamer has likes and dislikes and it's useful information to convey to Bioware about what they or someone else did, which you really enjoyed. Or not.

I totally agree with this statement. Not sure when it became taboo to compare different RPGs with each other, seems a bit silly not to compare.
I think BioWare can take a lot from CDPROJEKT, and vive versa.
DA2 has its (few) strong points, and so does TW2.

TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

Because why? We want BioWare to do better!

Dubya, it's interesting how your opinion of DA 2 seems to have swung back and forth a lot, but glad to see that you're starting to see if for the "cheap plastic" that it really is.  I'm sure people put in a lot of effort into it, and with good intentions, but as a whole, the product is not worth the value of the box it comes packaged in.

It is interesting how some things become "taboo" on this forum for no particular reason other than people are desperate to defend the disappointment that is DA2 at all costs. 

*Sighs*

So it's written in stone that one MUST view DAII as "cheap plastic" and a "diasppointment"? Are views on a game really this dogmatic now?

As in:

You MUST adore the BG Series, PST, TW2

You MUST hate/vilify/sneer at DAII 

You MUST NOT, under any circumstances, prefer DAII to DAO or TW2

Many seem to follow these rules, adapting their initial opinion on these games to go with the flow. (Or maybe they "saw the light"....?)

Well, I won't.

And I don't see much evidence of this supposed "Defense at all costs" movement either. I see more "Bash at all costs" at every turn.

Modifié par Persephone, 06 juin 2011 - 12:16 .

[Lumikki]

Dariuszp wrote...

Sorry Limikki but now you are trolling

Why it's trolling when someone does disagree with someones else viewpoints.

in my opinion because it was explain to you long ago. Witcher is a Witcher.

Yes, and I did explain that's not good enough excuse to dismiss some other aspect of RPG.

You people have selective eyes, you bark when some aspect of RPG isn't the way you like in some game, but when some other person barks some other aspect in RPG what they value, you dismiss it and say it's trolling.

This argument has been between ability affect story  with you character choises and ability customize you character appearance and gameplay. I my self consider both important part of RPG.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 juin 2011 - 12:38 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

shantisands wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its safe to say that TW2 was genre-redefining, in a way that DA2 hoped to be but wasn't. It's good for everybody though, not just the folks who made or simply enjoyed TW2. Even if you didn't like TW2 you will benefit from it being so awesome, because its now the new measuring stick, any game from now on that isn't as awesome as TW2 will be negatively compared to it, and everybody knows it. The TW2 folks have acknowledged that they got their inspiration from Bioware, and you can certainly see plenty of that Bioware influence in TW2. And now Bioware will be inspired by TW2 as they attempt to make DA3 even better than TW2. Its going to raise the standard, so whether you enjoyed TW2 or not you're going to enjoy future games a lot more because of its positive influence, and that means we're all winners!

Agree with this!  Raising the bar, raises the bar, period.  It can do good things for our games!

That said, I would always recommend TW2 to people who didn't care for TW1 as it is much improved in immersiveness,story, environment and general cohesion (imho) just as I would recommend DAO to people who didn't care for DA2.   Sometimes, the comparison between games in the same series can tell a lot, sometimes comparing games in a genre says a great deal also.  It is natural to compare. Being civil about it though, is helpful.

I agree with you both. And that was what gaming used to be all about: Raising the bar and pushing the limits. And about being civl about it... That's what we all should do. That's why I respect Persephone. She's on the other side of the fence and doesn't stir things up to get her point across. If only she didn't like operas, operattas and musicals. Sigh.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 juin 2011 - 12:20 .

[Ronin2006]

Persephone wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 The fact is, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim and Deus Ex: HR are all high-profile sequels all releasing in the same year. They're in direct competition. What would be strange or unbelievable would be people not comparing them. And I think comparisons are fair game, if one can explain how they reason the comparison to be valid. Summarily locking any thread which discusses any other game would not be helpful. Much like games, each discussion should be considered individually to see whether it has merit. After all, each gamer has likes and dislikes and it's useful information to convey to Bioware about what they or someone else did, which you really enjoyed. Or not.

I totally agree with this statement. Not sure when it became taboo to compare different RPGs with each other, seems a bit silly not to compare.
I think BioWare can take a lot from CDPROJEKT, and vive versa.
DA2 has its (few) strong points, and so does TW2.

TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

Because why? We want BioWare to do better!

Dubya, it's interesting how your opinion of DA 2 seems to have swung back and forth a lot, but glad to see that you're starting to see if for the "cheap plastic" that it really is.  I'm sure people put in a lot of effort into it, and with good intentions, but as a whole, the product is not worth the value of the box it comes packaged in.

It is interesting how some things become "taboo" on this forum for no particular reason other than people are desperate to defend the disappointment that is DA2 at all costs. 

*Sighs*

So it's written in stone that one MUST view DAII as "cheap plastic" and a "diasppointment"? Are views on a game really this dogmatic now?

As in:

You MUST adore the BG Series, PST, TW2

You MUST hate/vilify/sneer at DAII 

You MUST NOT, under any circumstances, prefer DAII to DAO or TW2

Many seem to follow these rules, adapting their initial opinion on these games to go with the flow. (Or maybe they "saw the light"....?)

Well, I won't.

Actually, Persephone, you are not somebody that I'm targetting in that post.  In fact, out of the people that like DA2, you are one of the most reasoned and respectable regular posters that there is on these forums.

I respect your opinion on here as much as anyone who shares mine.  I also respect it when people defend the game, and argue for it, so long as their argument is on topic and relevant and not an attack on the person themselves instead of the argument that they present.  I have noticed that generally, when you disagree with someone, you state why, but argue on topic, and I have to respect that.

What I was getting at, is that a lot of people will criticise the game, and people will invariably react to it in a certain way.  Usually by stating something ridiculous like "what you said is just opinion", rather than actually stating why they feel differently.

(BTW, the cheap plastic thing was a joke)

[Persephone]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

shantisands wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I think its safe to say that TW2 was genre-redefining, in a way that DA2 hoped to be but wasn't. It's good for everybody though, not just the folks who made or simply enjoyed TW2. Even if you didn't like TW2 you will benefit from it being so awesome, because its now the new measuring stick, any game from now on that isn't as awesome as TW2 will be negatively compared to it, and everybody knows it. The TW2 folks have acknowledged that they got their inspiration from Bioware, and you can certainly see plenty of that Bioware influence in TW2. And now Bioware will be inspired by TW2 as they attempt to make DA3 even better than TW2. Its going to raise the standard, so whether you enjoyed TW2 or not you're going to enjoy future games a lot more because of its positive influence, and that means we're all winners!

Agree with this!  Raising the bar, raises the bar, period.  It can do good things for our games!

That said, I would always recommend TW2 to people who didn't care for TW1 as it is much improved in immersiveness,story, environment and general cohesion (imho) just as I would recommend DAO to people who didn't care for DA2.   Sometimes, the comparison between games in the same series can tell a lot, sometimes comparing games in a genre says a great deal also.  It is natural to compare. Being civil about it though, is helpful.

I agree with you both. And that was what gaming used to be all about: Raising the bar and pushing the limits. And about being civl about it... That's what we all should do. That's why I respect Persephone. She's on the other side of the fence and doesn't stir things up to get her point across. If only she didn't like operas, operattas and musicals. Sigh.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, thanks. Sometimes my inner snark does break through, but I do my best to keep it under control.

At the end of the day, we all love RPGs and we stand a better chance as a whole group when it comes to telling Bioware what we'd like to see in their next release. Boy, I do not envy those guys.

[Persephone]

Ronin2006 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

 The fact is, Dragon Age 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim and Deus Ex: HR are all high-profile sequels all releasing in the same year. They're in direct competition. What would be strange or unbelievable would be people not comparing them. And I think comparisons are fair game, if one can explain how they reason the comparison to be valid. Summarily locking any thread which discusses any other game would not be helpful. Much like games, each discussion should be considered individually to see whether it has merit. After all, each gamer has likes and dislikes and it's useful information to convey to Bioware about what they or someone else did, which you really enjoyed. Or not.

I totally agree with this statement. Not sure when it became taboo to compare different RPGs with each other, seems a bit silly not to compare.
I think BioWare can take a lot from CDPROJEKT, and vive versa.
DA2 has its (few) strong points, and so does TW2.

TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

Because why? We want BioWare to do better!

Dubya, it's interesting how your opinion of DA 2 seems to have swung back and forth a lot, but glad to see that you're starting to see if for the "cheap plastic" that it really is.  I'm sure people put in a lot of effort into it, and with good intentions, but as a whole, the product is not worth the value of the box it comes packaged in.

It is interesting how some things become "taboo" on this forum for no particular reason other than people are desperate to defend the disappointment that is DA2 at all costs. 

*Sighs*

So it's written in stone that one MUST view DAII as "cheap plastic" and a "diasppointment"? Are views on a game really this dogmatic now?

As in:

You MUST adore the BG Series, PST, TW2

You MUST hate/vilify/sneer at DAII 

You MUST NOT, under any circumstances, prefer DAII to DAO or TW2

Many seem to follow these rules, adapting their initial opinion on these games to go with the flow. (Or maybe they "saw the light"....?)

Well, I won't.

Actually, Persephone, you are not somebody that I'm targetting in that post.  In fact, out of the people that like DA2, you are one of the most reasoned and respectable regular posters that there is on these forums.

I respect your opinion on here as much as anyone who shares mine.  I also respect it when people defend the game, and argue for it, so long as their argument is on topic and relevant and not an attack on the person themselves instead of the argument that they present.  I have noticed that generally, when you disagree with someone, you state why, but argue on topic, and I have to respect that.

What I was getting at, is that a lot of people will criticise the game, and people will invariably react to it in a certain way.  Usually by stating something ridiculous like "what you said is just opinion", rather than actually stating why they feel differently.

(BTW, the cheap plastic thing was a joke)

Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining that. I also think that your posts are well structured, well written and very interesting to read. I do try to take both sides into account, really, I do. And yes "That's just YOUR opinion!" isn't exactly a well balanced argument on either side of the fence. While I do hate it when opinions are presented as dogmatic facts, it's pretty obvious that most posters are aware that what they are saying are opinions, some more popular, some far less so. Again, I believe that as a fan of DAII, reading constructive criticism is VERY interesting. (I.E. KnightofthePhoenix's posts) And I do hope that constructive praise can be just as interesting to those who didn't like the game. Balance is the key, in this as much as in anything else.

P.S. Your avatar is made of awesome, btw.

Modifié par Persephone, 06 juin 2011 - 12:33 .

[tenshi_no_hone]

It's strange how TW2 is a much better game than DA2, when much of the same criticism could be levelled at both games. Pre-set voice/character, relatively limited choice in key places, much of the combat being single button, running around the same area a lot (Kirkwall versus hubs like Flotsam), even a cliffhanger.

TW2 comes out on top though, something about it just feels more finished, more alive. It's also a massive improvement on the first game as well, which I just couldn't get into. Sorry if if makes me a heretic too, but I prefer DA2 to TW1!

[Dubya75]

Persephone wrote...

Dubya75 wrote...


TW2 for me was a MUCH more immersive experience.
It's made going back to DA2 feel like cheap plastic. EVERY aspect of TW2 is way better than DA2 from first impressions through to support (IMO).

They are way too different to be compared, IMO. Love 'em both for very different reasons. 

See, I like rubies just as much as sapphires. Both are jewels, yet they go with different clothes, occasions, have different meanings.......

I much prefer to have the cake AND eat the chocolate. I won't choose.

But what if one is a chocolate cake and the other a dry white cake? 
Just kidding, I get your point. 

[Dubya75]

Persephone wrote...

*Sighs*

So it's written in stone that one MUST view DAII as "cheap plastic" and a "diasppointment"? Are views on a game really this dogmatic now?

Not at all, I was hoping to make it very clear that it is my opinion. My experience of playing the 2 games side-by-side.

[Dariuszp]

Lumikki wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...

Sorry Limikki but now you are trolling

Why it's trolling when someone does disagree with someones else viewpoints.

in my opinion because it was explain to you long ago. Witcher is a Witcher.

Yes, and I did explain that's not good enough excuse to dismiss some other aspect of RPG.

You people have selective eyes, you bark when some aspect of RPG isn't the way you like in some game, but when some other person barks some other aspect in RPG what they value, you dismiss it and say it's trolling.

This argument has been between ability affect story  with you character choises and ability customize you character appearance and gameplay. I my self consider both important part of RPG.

In RPG you play a role. Sometimes your role have name and look. Just like you cannot change look of Batman or Darth Vader. I ask if you are trolling because you are one after another post just "bla bla bla" that you cannot add boobs to Geralt. Try add boobs to Darth Vader. It's the same. Just making my point here.

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

It's strange how TW2 is a much better game than DA2, when much of the same criticism could be levelled at both games. Pre-set voice/character, relatively limited choice in key places, much of the combat being single button, running around the same area a lot (Kirkwall versus hubs like Flotsam), even a cliffhanger.

TW2 comes out on top though, something about it just feels more finished, more alive. It's also a massive improvement on the first game as well, which I just couldn't get into. Sorry if if makes me a heretic too, but I prefer DA2 to TW1!

Yes, you got some points there but:
~ pre-set voice/character got reason in TW2. You got Geralt. Main character from the book who got his voice and look clearly described. So CDPR use him and made it good. In DA II you have character out of nowhere. No reason to pre-set him because while running from darkspawn - he could be even an elf or dwarf.

~ relatively limited chocies in key places - disagree. You chocies affect entire game in loot of ways.
{!!! SPOILER !!! } For example i finish game 2x (so is my friend). In both cases Triss live when i did leave her to die once - my friend got her killed.
{ !!! END OF SPOILER !!! }
Game have 16 endings and your whole game affect them. Just try to play it 2-3 times and you see. Some aspect are COMPLETLY HIDDEN when you play game only once. You get only half or even 1/3 of whole game.

~ if you think that combat is "single button" then meaby try to move above EASY. Because on EASY game is really EASY.

~ running around because of open world for I chapter (well made world) with no loading screens you even TRY to compare to game that have 10 locations and use it whole game ? Did you even finish prologue in this game ? Or meaby you think that Flotsam is entire game. Because just Flotsam feel better than whole DA II in my opinion. For example look at it at night. Something must see with high details.
You got 3 chapters. 4 if you count one you miss while you chose side in Act I. And loot of additional areas around.
If you are saying it's the same then i'm asking if you are not crazy.

Also Witcher is more like dark Fantasy with no realy heroes or villains. So some people could just not like this kind of world. There is no such thing like pure evil or pure good. So it's natural that some people will like other games because they dont like more action oriented combat, dark world or something else.

Yes. I'm more defending TW2 but in my opinion, just as you say - TW2 in aspect of story, choices, character or world is just well made. DA II in my opinion (before TW2 but now even more) is just a crap. Avarage RPG like any other.

[Aaleel]

It's almost unavoidable to compare the games due to one simple thing.

People saw things that were executed poorly in DA2, but were executed well in the Witcher 2. So it's almost human nature to say that's how it should have been done.

The framed narrative was used well. People think the cities in the Witcher games are what Kirkwall should have been like. People wanted their choices to matter.

But for me personally DA:O, TW2, TW1, DA2.

[Kronner]

Good for you.

IMHO DA2 is a piece of crap.

[Lumikki]

Dariuszp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

This argument has been between ability affect story with you character choises and ability customize you character appearance and gameplay. I my self consider both important part of RPG.

In RPG you play a role. Sometimes your role have name and look. Just like you cannot change look of Batman or Darth Vader. I ask if you are trolling because you are one after another post just "bla bla bla" that you cannot add boobs to Geralt. Try add boobs to Darth Vader. It's the same. Just making my point here.

You don't get it. Maybe this help, I played Star Wars: Kotor serie with boobs. Then you defination Kotors can't be good game, because they did not have pre-define character like Luke Skywalker. Still I ROLEPLAYED female character in Star Wars universe. Oh my God, isn't Star Wars same as Luke Skywaker and Dark Vader. How can that universe played any other way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy you like Geralt in TW universe. I like Luke Skywaker in Star Wars universe, but that doesn't mean I wanna roleplay Luke or that's only way play Star Wars universe. Have you consider, maybe I like RPG's, because I can create my own character to play the story and not be some pre-define one.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 juin 2011 - 02:11 .

[Dubya75]

Kronner wrote...

Good for you.

IMHO DA2 is a piece of crap.

I was gonna go for a "piece of software" but hey, we all have different perspectives on things.

[Ariella]

I felt (and continue to feel) no impetus to finish either TW (past Visima) or TW2 (past Flotsom), whereas I played through both DAO and DA2 several times. I think that pretty much sums up my own feeling on these games.

However, Last Wish is a pretty good book, especially considering I was reading it translation. I think I may stick to reading about Geralt rather than trying to play him. I find him more compelling on the page than on the screen.

Edit Dao and Da2

Modifié par Ariella, 06 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[Chromie]

I like DAO and DAO also Ariella!

[tenshi_no_hone]

Ariella wrote...

I felt (and continue to feel) no impetus to finish either TW (past Visima) or TW2 (past Flotsom), whereas I played through both DAO and DAO several times. I think that pretty much sums up my own feeling on these games.

However, Last Wish is a pretty good book, especially considering I was reading it translation. I think I may stick to reading about Geralt rather than trying to play him. I find him more compelling on the page than on the screen.

That is easily the biggest flaw for me with both Witcher games (but particularly the first one as I never got close to finishing it) With all Bioware games (except Sonic DB) the first time I played I couldn't stop. Their style of story etc is always so compelling that I have to keep going. I lose sleep and waste hours and hours on each one.

TW1 I put down and never came back, and even in TW2 which I love it took several hours of intermittent play feeling a little bored before it gripped me and pulled me in.

[Dubya75]

Ringo12 wrote...

I like DAO and DAO also Ariella!

Me too, I would never be able to choose between DAO and DAO!

[Cutlass Jack]

Dubya75 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

I like DAO and DAO also Ariella!

Me too, I would never be able to choose between DAO and DAO!

Lies! Everyone with any taste knows DAO could never top DAO.