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[TUHD]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

TUHD wrote...
@Shadow_Soul: we don't need feminists here either. Stay way from the male vs. female debate, thank you!

I'm going to assume you meant "We don't need gender debates here" instead of "we don't need feminists here".

Because the latter is just rude and ignorant.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Also, I said 'We don't need feminists here either'. Please quote that part too, you took it out of context that way.

[Darkhour]

TUHD wrote...

Darkhour, instead of being sexist (notice: I am male myself, and straight), argue a bit better. There's no 'cannon' relationship. Also, see that nifty 'block' option on a userpage? Personally I am going to click it the moment you keep on insisting on being an sexist and a flaming troll - plus that nifty 'Report this user' button.

@OP: As someone referenced, it are just bugs and glitches. Just let's hope BW can solve such issues in ME3.

@Shadow_Soul: we don't need feminists here either. Stay way from the male vs. female debate, thank you!

@others (also from other topics): Bioware simply needs an Shephard to portray. Since the most ME-players seem to be male, it is logical BW uses an male Shep since it is easier for the most players to identify with Shephard then.
Just saying.

How am I a sexist? For stating the truth?

If I'm wrong, prove it. Prove me wrong.

This should be good.

[Kronner]

Darkhour wrote...

How am I a sexist? For stating the truth?

If I'm wrong, prove it. Prove me wrong.

This should be good.

You're not wrong about "no females in Special Forces" (which is there for a good reason). But applying that to a videogame is rather silly.

Modifié par Kronner, 06 juin 2011 - 02:19 .

[Sphynx118]

Darkhour wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Darkhour, instead of being sexist (notice: I am male myself, and straight), argue a bit better. There's no 'cannon' relationship. Also, see that nifty 'block' option on a userpage? Personally I am going to click it the moment you keep on insisting on being an sexist and a flaming troll - plus that nifty 'Report this user' button.

@OP: As someone referenced, it are just bugs and glitches. Just let's hope BW can solve such issues in ME3.

@Shadow_Soul: we don't need feminists here either. Stay way from the male vs. female debate, thank you!

@others (also from other topics): Bioware simply needs an Shephard to portray. Since the most ME-players seem to be male, it is logical BW uses an male Shep since it is easier for the most players to identify with Shephard then.
Just saying.

How am I a sexist? For stating the truth?

If I'm wrong, prove it. Prove me wrong.

This should be good.

He is correct biologically speaking. And the stuff about special forces/marines is correct aswell.

That pretty poster girl you see in the marine commercials telling people that "girls can do it too or w/e" have never been on the front lines in her life.

Just saying

[Centauri2002]

Actually you are wrong. I'll take this opportunity to point to the 707th Special Mission Battalion. And now I await the silly reasons for excluding this example.

[JamieCOTC]

So, if manShep is so canon, why is BW making a femShep trailer?

[Shadow_Soul]

@TUHD
I'm not feminist, and I know when to walk away. I do not fiight with the gender fighting, it's stupid. Both genders are equal, people may not admit it, but it's true. The thing is, we only really look different, and in general have bit of a different structure (e.g. women are built for having children, where as, men are not) And thing is, people can have whatever opionion they want, I have my own, and they can agree or disagree, I don't really care.

[matt-bassist]

Man and Woman > Woman and Woman > Man and Man
It's simply maths dude. > means greater than. A relationship is "greater" than a gay or lesbo relationship because it's more mainstream and accepted.

[TUHD]

Heh. That got to be fun.
Physically, we males are in general stronger. That's true. Also males are in general better in math and interprenting maps. Yes, that's why the majority of the armies exist of males. But even that is changing a bit (not fast, and not in the majority of countries, but in the Western countries, it is changing).
However, females are often better in creative stuff, social stuff and multitasking. Hence why you often see more women getting higher in companies (that is, in case they don't choose part-time jobs, even after they've done university *sigh*)

I could name a plenthora of what males could do better and what females could do better, but it is kinda a waste of time. But I hope you got my point.

[Darkhour]

Kronner wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

How am I a sexist? For stating the truth?

If I'm wrong, prove it. Prove me wrong.

This should be good.

You're not wrong about "no females in Special Forces" (which is there for a good reason). But applying that to a videogame is rather silly.

I'm not applying anything. The game is what is it is. Just saying femshep is an equal opportunity fantasy character... it's all fantasy really, but a female being the best soldier in ALL of the Alliance is practically an impossibe scenario. No matter how good she could be there will be a male soldier(s) who is faster, stronger, etc.

[Sphynx118]

JamieCOTC wrote...

So, if manShep is so canon, why is BW making a femShep trailer?

Because the vocal minority on these forums havent shut up about it since ME1? Fanservice. Or the are simply tired of watching the same lame threads pop up 4000 times

[MDT1]

Darkhour wrote...
I'm not applying anything. The game is what is it is. Just saying femshep is an equal opportunity fantasy character... it's all fantasy really, but a female being the best soldier in ALL of the Alliance is practically an impossibe scenario. No matter how good she could be there will be a male soldier(s) who is faster, stronger, etc.

Just curious, why are strenght and speed the most important attributes of a commanding officer?
Don't know if BioWare stated it like that, but I never saw Shepard as the best soldier in the alliance.

Modifié par MDT1, 06 juin 2011 - 02:29 .

[Shadow_Soul]

TUHD wrote...

Heh. That got to be fun.
Physically, we males are in general stronger. That's true. Also males are in general better in math and interprenting maps. Yes, that's why the majority of the armies exist of males. But even that is changing a bit (not fast, and not in the majority of countries, but in the Western countries, it is changing).
However, females are often better in creative stuff, social stuff and multitasking. Hence why you often see more women getting higher in companies (that is, in case they don't choose part-time jobs, even after they've done university *sigh*)

I could name a plenthora of what males could do better and what females could do better, but it is kinda a waste of time. But I hope you got my point.

I wouldn't know, haven't had kids myself yet. Mother said is was hard (4 kids including myself for her)
I see your point, yes. And yes, males are built to be stronger, and really, I know many guys who I'm stonger then and I can scare easily but looks and glares alone. XD And the creative stuff, and math, and social stuff, true. I am better at math then alot of guys I know, too, but say, my fiancee can multitask better then me at points. But yeah, I get it.

[TUHD]

Montezuma IV wrote...

There's nothing wrong with being a feminist in a world where woman are not seen as equal.

Anyway, they're making a FemShep trailer!? :33

If you'd apply it to the whole world, sure. But at least where I live (the Netherlands) the few feminists left after the last feminist wave in the eighties which brought the status of males and females here to about the same level, (except for working circumstances where a bit of the 'old boys network' is left with their Victorian standards) are arrogant and say females are better then males. Perhaps I used the term 'feminist' a bit loosely, and I am sorry for that then, but personally I dislike both males who are saying males are better then females, and females who are saying that females are better then males.

[Maugrim]

MDT1 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
I'm not applying anything. The game is what is it is. Just saying femshep is an equal opportunity fantasy character... it's all fantasy really, but a female being the best soldier in ALL of the Alliance is practically an impossibe scenario. No matter how good she could be there will be a male soldier(s) who is faster, stronger, etc.

Just curious, why are strenght and speed the most important attributes of a commanding officer?

Also why is it important in a world with biotics, genetic engineering for every soldier, implants that turn one into a one woman army and coming back from the dead 

[Pups_of_war_76]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Darkhour, instead of being sexist (notice: I am male myself, and straight), argue a bit better. There's no 'cannon' relationship. Also, see that nifty 'block' option on a userpage? Personally I am going to click it the moment you keep on insisting on being an sexist and a flaming troll - plus that nifty 'Report this user' button.

@OP: As someone referenced, it are just bugs and glitches. Just let's hope BW can solve such issues in ME3.

@Shadow_Soul: we don't need feminists here either. Stay way from the male vs. female debate, thank you!

@others (also from other topics): Bioware simply needs an Shephard to portray. Since the most ME-players seem to be male, it is logical BW uses an male Shep since it is easier for the most players to identify with Shephard then.
Just saying.

How am I a sexist? For stating the truth?

If I'm wrong, prove it. Prove me wrong.

This should be good.

He is correct biologically speaking. And the stuff about special forces/marines is correct aswell.

That pretty poster girl you see in the marine commercials telling people that "girls can do it too or w/e" have never been on the front lines in her life.

Just saying

He is "correct biologically speaking" in that males are stronger and more rugged on average

However, the fact that many males are bigger and stronger than many females doesn't mean that there aren't some females who are stronger and fitter than most males, and there's no reason why those who can meet the physical requirements shouldn't be able to participate in full, 

which is why current policy is silly

That's leaving aside the fact that the games take place in the future, and thus there are things like semi-powered armor and genetic enhancements to alleviate the disparity. And the fact that Shepard isn't always a soldier and such physical attributes are probably less important for biotics and techies. 

Modifié par Pups_of_war_76, 06 juin 2011 - 02:34 .

[Rawke]

I've seen plenty of female marines. too So what? None of those kick ass women marines are frontline fighters There are 0 female special forces soldiers. They aren't even allowed to apply.

Just because they aren't allowed to apply in your country doesn't they aren't allowed anywhere else. In several German SF or semi-SF units (just as an example) women are allowed to apply. None made it through yet, though. And we have female frontline soldiers, too.

[Kronner]

Darkhour wrote...

I'm not applying anything. The game is what is it is. Just saying femshep is an equal opportunity fantasy character... it's all fantasy really, but a female being the best soldier in ALL of the Alliance is practically an impossibe scenario. No matter how good she could be there will be a male soldier(s) who is faster, stronger, etc.

That may very well be true, but why is that a problem in a game?

TUHD wrote...

If you'd apply it to the whole world, sure. But at least where I live (the Netherlands) the few feminists left after the last feminist wave in the eighties which brought the status of males and females here to about the same level, (except for working circumstances where a bit of the 'old boys network' is left with their Victorian standards) are arrogant and say females are better then males. Perhaps I used the term 'feminist' a bit loosely, and I am sorry for that then, but personally I dislike both males who are saying males are better then females, and females who are saying that females are better then males.

Better at what?
Surely females are better than males at XYZ, and vice versa. Saying that
males and females are equally good at everything is just stupid.

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

He is "correct biologically speaking" in that males are stronger and more rugged on average

However, the fact that many males are bigger and stronger than many females doesn't mean that there aren't some females who are stronger and fitter than most males, and there's no reason why those who can meet the physical requirements shouldn't be able to participate in full, 

which is why current policy is silly

That's leaving aside the fact that the games take place in the future, and thus there are things like semi-powered armor and genetic enhancements to alleviate the disparity. 

It's not silly. While a female marine is stronger/faster/fitter than most males, the male marines are just on another level altogether. Why do you think that men and women do not compete against each other in the Olympics?

Modifié par Kronner, 06 juin 2011 - 02:36 .

[TUHD]

Montezuma IV wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

There's nothing wrong with being a feminist in a world where woman are not seen as equal.

Anyway, they're making a FemShep trailer!? :33

If you'd apply it to the whole world, sure. But at least where I live (the Netherlands) the few feminists left after the last feminist wave in the eighties which brought the status of males and females here to about the same level, (except for working circumstances where a bit of the 'old boys network' is left with their Victorian standards) are arrogant and say females are better then males. Perhaps I used the term 'feminist' a bit loosely, and I am sorry for that then, but personally I dislike both males who are saying males are better then females, and females who are saying that females are better then males.

I agree. But this situation is just like racism. You can't say black people are wrong in their racist views of white people when they are point blank denied equal oppurtunties (doesn't matter who it is, it's a necessary retaliation). It's the same with women. I agree with you, in a perfect world, but right now the only way to get the "bully" down to your level is to punch him back. If you get my meaning.

I get your meaning, sure. But you know what it is? In general, no matter who the 'offended party' is, in case the ones who feel offended start generalizing too, you only offend those who are 'on the other side' and actually agreed with you.

Back on topic: as others said, ME takes place in the future, where gentherapy etc aren't uncommon - so males and females could be basically have the same traits (depending on how far the gentherapy is advanced). Well, except for gender-specific parts of course

Edit:

Better at what?
Surely females are better than males at XYZ, and vice versa. Saying that
males and females are equally good at everything is just stupid.

I meant those who say either males or females are superior to the 'other' overall.

Modifié par TUHD, 06 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[Sphynx118]

Montezuma IV wrote...

TUHD wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

There's nothing wrong with being a feminist in a world where woman are not seen as equal.

Anyway, they're making a FemShep trailer!? :33

If you'd apply it to the whole world, sure. But at least where I live (the Netherlands) the few feminists left after the last feminist wave in the eighties which brought the status of males and females here to about the same level, (except for working circumstances where a bit of the 'old boys network' is left with their Victorian standards) are arrogant and say females are better then males. Perhaps I used the term 'feminist' a bit loosely, and I am sorry for that then, but personally I dislike both males who are saying males are better then females, and females who are saying that females are better then males.

I agree. But this situation is just like racism. You can't say black people are wrong in their racist views of white people when they are point blank denied equal oppurtunties (doesn't matter who it is, it's a necessary retaliation). It's the same with women. I agree with you, in a perfect world, but right now the only way to get the "bully" down to your level is to punch him back. If you get my meaning.

What? Ofc black racists are wrong. Thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard.

[JamieCOTC]

Sphynx118 wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

So, if manShep is so canon, why is BW making a femShep trailer?

Because the vocal minority on these forums havent shut up about it since ME1? Fanservice. Or the are simply tired of watching the same lame threads pop up 4000 times

Actually, it didn't happen by way of these forums.  It came about right after a poll on ME2 Facebook where 1 in 3 players who posted stated they played as femShep.  It also came about by way of discussions on Twitter, which is monumentally more civil than this place. Whatever tha case, I'm done here. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 06 juin 2011 - 02:44 .