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[jlb524]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Well this is deteriorating rapidly.

What was this thread about again?

BioWare being lazy/cutting corners with FemShep.

It even happens with armor/outfit textures (ManSheps armor/outfit uses higher quality textures than FemShep).

This is part of the reason I'm reluctant to pre-order ME3...if I'm getting an overall lower quality game, might as well wait to it goes on sale and pay less for it.

[Clonedzero]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...


You misunderstand.

Prohibitions against female combat troopers in the U.S. are often justified by stating that females are incapable of fulfilling the physical requirements of the job, which is false.

Absolute peak strength and speed are not necessary.

I've met more special forces types who are kind of lean, wiry dudes with a ton of stamina than who are musclebound lunks. You've already got male soldiers who are less strong than other male soldiers, so applying relativism in this context doesn't make a lot of sense. 

The standards should be set at an even level, and any person who can exceed that level should be able to serve in any capacity for which they are qualified. 

you have a point, special forces guys aren't steriod junkies. they're super strong, but not body builders since body buildiers arent really naturally practical for actual combat.

but the point remains, from an evolutionary and biological standpoint, men were designed to fight better than women. its a simple fact. now this doesnt mean that women arent capable of being badasses, it just means their range of badassery isnt as wide as a males.

if male shep and fem shep got in a fight, male shep would win. its not sexist, its just science.

[Clonedzero]

woah theres some e-thugging in this thread, im gonna back out slowly rofl.

"ive been in countless fights, im super tough!"

dude its the internet rofl. chillax

[MDT1]

Montezuma IV wrote...

But that's not possible. It took a whole civil war just to get people to start thinking about ending slavery.

Perhaps in your country.
But seriously how could you possibly achieve acceptence of women in special forces by penalizing the men.
And take into accout that its not only about beein an ass, some men have not the problem that they think women are weak, but that women are the mans weak spot.

Modifié par MDT1, 06 juin 2011 - 03:38 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

jlb524 wrote...
BioWare being lazy/cutting corners with FemShep.
It even happens with armor/outfit textures (ManSheps armor/outfit uses higher quality textures than FemShep).
This is part of the reason I'm reluctant to pre-order ME3...if I'm getting an overall lower quality game, might as well wait to it goes on sale and pay less for it.

They aren't cutting corners; they approach both equally. 

They just approach maleShep first, foremost, and more equally and then shoehorn that equality down to femShep.

[Pups_of_war_76]

jlb524 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Well this is deteriorating rapidly.

What was this thread about again?

BioWare being lazy/cutting corners with FemShep.

It even happens with armor/outfit textures (ManSheps armor/outfit uses higher quality textures than FemShep).

This is part of the reason I'm reluctant to pre-order ME3...if I'm getting an overall lower quality game, might as well wait to it goes on sale and pay less for it.

What would constitute redemption?

[jlb524]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Well this is deteriorating rapidly.

What was this thread about again?

BioWare being lazy/cutting corners with FemShep.

It even happens with armor/outfit textures (ManSheps armor/outfit uses higher quality textures than FemShep).

This is part of the reason I'm reluctant to pre-order ME3...if I'm getting an overall lower quality game, might as well wait to it goes on sale and pay less for it.

What would constitute redemption?

They are beyond redemption!

[Pups_of_war_76]

jlb524 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Well this is deteriorating rapidly.

What was this thread about again?

BioWare being lazy/cutting corners with FemShep.

It even happens with armor/outfit textures (ManSheps armor/outfit uses higher quality textures than FemShep).

This is part of the reason I'm reluctant to pre-order ME3...if I'm getting an overall lower quality game, might as well wait to it goes on sale and pay less for it.

What would constitute redemption?

They are beyond redemption!

Purge the unclean?

[jlb524]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Well this is deteriorating rapidly.

What was this thread about again?

BioWare being lazy/cutting corners with FemShep.

It even happens with armor/outfit textures (ManSheps armor/outfit uses higher quality textures than FemShep).

This is part of the reason I'm reluctant to pre-order ME3...if I'm getting an overall lower quality game, might as well wait to it goes on sale and pay less for it.

What would constitute redemption?

They are beyond redemption!

Purge the unclean?

I could burn my copy of ME2 I suppose.

[diskoh]

Please stop letting Darkhour troll you guys.

[Darkhour]

MDT1 wrote...

Just curious, why are strenght and speed the most important attributes of a commanding officer?
Don't know if BioWare stated it like that, but I never saw Shepard as the best soldier in the alliance.

Shepard is a field soldier. Not a general. He needs to be able to fight with his troops. Not tell other, more qualified, people to fight while he sits back and "leads". The Council wanted shepard for HIS skills, not because he just happened to command people with skills and therefore takes credit for their deeds. Shepard was picked to be a SPECTRE candidate out of EVERYONE else in the Alliance. It's not like they just picked a random OK soldier. They didn't even put forth a list of the best. They put forth THE best.

[Darkhour]

Rawke wrote...

I've seen plenty of female marines. too So what? None of those kick ass women marines are frontline fighters There are 0 female special forces soldiers. They aren't even allowed to apply.

Just because they aren't allowed to apply in your country doesn't they aren't allowed anywhere else. In several German SF or semi-SF units (just as an example) women are allowed to apply. None made it through yet, though. And we have female frontline soldiers, too.

We have women SF in the US military. Big differ from an army ranger out hunting terrorist in the mountains. The only combat women get is when it's brought to them. But in that situation is brought to network admins, electricians,  pest control, etc. on terms other than our own. (i.e. to other non-combat types).

[SilentNukee]

Wow, seriously? This thread has been derailed that much?

[Homebound]

femshep is better li for liara in lotsb

[Darkhour]

Hellbound555 wrote...

femshep is better li for liara in lotsb

How so?

Sure, Liara can stick it to that lady trying to be a man, but Shepard can stick Liara too. And if they postion themselves just right they can stick it too each other.

You do know Liara has a penis right? "Femshep" is missing equipment. That's why Liara doesn't leave "femshep" with a smile on her face like she does with Shepard.

[sissysouthpaw]

Darkhour wrote...


You do know Liara has a penis right?

:O:O

[Rawke]

Darkhour wrote...

Rawke wrote...

I've seen plenty of female marines. too So what? None of those kick ass women marines are frontline fighters There are 0 female special forces soldiers. They aren't even allowed to apply.

Just because they aren't allowed to apply in your country doesn't they aren't allowed anywhere else. In several German SF or semi-SF units (just as an example) women are allowed to apply. None made it through yet, though. And we have female frontline soldiers, too.

We have women SF in the US military. Big differ from an army ranger out hunting terrorist in the mountains. The only combat women get is when it's brought to them. But in that situation is brought to network admins, electricians,  pest control, etc. on terms other than our own. (i.e. to other non-combat types).

I'm just saying that it's possible for women in my country to become fighting soldiers - even in SF-units. As far as I'm concerned, SF should be the best of the best, whatever gender they may be. If a woman is up for the job and meets all requirements, why not? If a woman decides to become a soldier in a combat role, why not? I don't understand some of the US armed forces policies anyway, sometimes you Americans are way too "oldskool".

Which is why I can totally see women in SF in a future with regular genetic enhancements and biotics. It kind of eliminates the problem of finding people who are able to endure the challenges of SF work physically so you can concentrate on finding people with the proper state of mind. Be it a woman or a man. Hooray for diversity. And boobies.

[JamieCOTC]

femShep makes the cover of ME3 CE

- metal case featuring commemorative artwork of both male and female versions of Commander Shepard.

[Darkhour]

Rawke wrote...

I'm just saying that it's possible for women in my country to become fighting soldiers - even in SF-units. As far as I'm concerned, SF should be the best of the best, whatever gender they may be. If a woman is up for the job and meets all requirements, why not? If a woman decides to become a soldier in a combat role, why not? I don't understand some of the US armed forces policies anyway, sometimes you Americans are way too "oldskool".

Which is why I can totally see women in SF in a future with regular genetic enhancements and biotics. It kind of eliminates the problem of finding people who are able to endure the challenges of SF work physically so you can concentrate on finding people with the proper state of mind. Be it a woman or a man. Hooray for diversity. And boobies.

The women in your country aren't fighting on the front lines either. So I don't know why you think the U.S. military is more "oldskool". What country are you from?

The point was never that there cannot be a female warrior. The point is that no female warrior is going to be the best that humanity has. Shepard is not just some soldier, like Ashley or Toombs. Shepard is the BEST SOLDIER IN THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE.

Modifié par Darkhour, 07 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[Inspectre]

Darkhour wrote...

Shepard is a guy. Deal with it.

Two things

A: your shepard, maybe.
B: why do people say "Deal with it."?  It seems contradictory; this is how we are dealing with it.

Darkhour wrote...
Femshep is an equal opportunity fantasy.

You should know that, if Mass Effect were real, Asari wouldn't be attracted to anything other than a female human form.

Darkhour wrote...

Shepard is not just some soldier, like Ashley or Toombs. Shepard is the BEST SOLDIER IN THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE.

I'd say, for a time, Joan of Arc was the best soldier in Europe.
Come to think of it... she was captured and placed on trial too...

[InvincibleHero]

I don't see why people nitpick so much. I lose no content because I play both male and female and paragon and renegade. Anyone has that option. If you limit yourself to only playing rengade or female etc then you obviously lose out and that's not BWs fault.

[Darkhour]

InvincibleHero wrote...

I play both male and female 

We are not interested in your drag queen fetishes. How you dress in the privacy of your own home is your business.

[Rawke]

Darkhour wrote...

Rawke wrote...

I'm just saying that it's possible for women in my country to become fighting soldiers - even in SF-units. As far as I'm concerned, SF should be the best of the best, whatever gender they may be. If a woman is up for the job and meets all requirements, why not? If a woman decides to become a soldier in a combat role, why not? I don't understand some of the US armed forces policies anyway, sometimes you Americans are way too "oldskool".

Which is why I can totally see women in SF in a future with regular genetic enhancements and biotics. It kind of eliminates the problem of finding people who are able to endure the challenges of SF work physically so you can concentrate on finding people with the proper state of mind. Be it a woman or a man. Hooray for diversity. And boobies.

The women in your country aren't fighting on the front lines either. So I don't know why you think the U.S. military is more "oldskool". What country are you from?

The point was never that there cannot be a female warrior. The point is that no female warrior is going to be the best that humanity has. Shepard is not just some soldier, like Ashley or Toombs. Shepard is the BEST SOLDIER IN THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE.

Uhm, yes, there are women fighting on the frontline in our armed forces. That was kind of my whole point. I'm from Germany. There are women depolyed in Afghanistan as part of combat units. In fact, I saw a documentary about the German are of responsibility just a few days ago featuring several different soldiers, including a female Dingo driver (the Dingo being an armoured car and Germany's primary light IMV used for patrol missions; very similar to the American HMMWV).

Also, who says Shepard is the best soldeir in the Alliance?