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Dave666 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

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nremies1 wrote...

On the one hand, knives and bladed or edged weapons have no place in a firefight.

On the other hand, I'm never going to use it for that very reason, so whatever. Looks neat, I guess.



lol so if you out of ammo and you enemy is upclose what are gonna kill em with? your conversation skills? bahahaha blades are there for CQC encounters.


Sounds like you only play as a Soldier.

Hint:  There are five other classes.  I can tell you that my Adept never worries about running out of ammo, because guns are secondary to abilities.


sorry my main is a vanguard.


Fair play bud.  You do I hope see my point though.  Ammo considerations really do depend upon which class you play.  For the caster types guns are secondary, hell even on Insanity I rarely use my guns with my Adept.  Its harder, certainly, but I prefer to rely on infinite resources (powers) over finite ones (ammo).


i understand and i agree i rarely use my guns when i play as a sentinel or adept.

But according to Bioware the enemies are gonna be alot more aggresive and tactical if one just so happens to breakthrough your defense and catches you by surprise and your powers are cooling down what are you gonna do?

i would instanly melee him. making a CQC weapon very usefullImage IPB

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Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

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Appropriate...?  How is a laser knife appropriate at all for the Mass Effect universe?  Especially in the last game of the trilogy, why add something that has absolutely no basis in any established lore?


Alright...  I was going to leave it but...

How is a laser knife appropriate in a universe with GIANT LIFE DESTROYING ROBOTS, TALKING ALIENS and PHYSICS BREAKING SPACE TRAVEL?

Get your head examined.

Seriously.  This is the isse you're going to nit pick.


So are you going to discredit nearly every sci-fi game/show/novel/movie ever made?  It's science-FICTION for a reason, but there are established lore and rules that you have to stick by.


get over it already its in the game leave it at that.


Sorry I know I've been stressing about it for almost a half an hour now, far too long to worry about something.  But anyway, we all know that the game is finalized 9 months before launch, especially a small feature like what the PC uses for melee attacks.


so bioware should listen to you and all the others who dont want it in because you guys dont like it? let them make their game there are thing they have said that i dont like but im not crying about it.

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I really like the concept, and the animation, but it goes completely against the series' lore and tech.

The Omni-Blade is LITERALLY contrary to everything in the Codex. It is physical, hard, and SHARP light. LIGHT.

I would much prefer some kind of hidden or retractable blade in the wrist that pops out for the attack. As it is now, it makes no sense whatsoever from a lore, tech, and logical standpoint. One of my favorite things about this series is that, aside from the Mass Effect, is quite realistic. This just screams "because it looks cool" at the cost of believability in the story.


This.  All of it.

The omnitool didn't make a blade.  That I could handle.  It became a blade.  A blade made out of light.  For no apparant reason that "It looks bad****"  

"Push a button to make something Awesome happen" indeed :lol:

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trobbins777 wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

I really like the concept, and the animation, but it goes completely against the series' lore and tech.

The Omni-Blade is LITERALLY contrary to everything in the Codex. It is physical, hard, and SHARP light. LIGHT.

I would much prefer some kind of hidden or retractable blade in the wrist that pops out for the attack. As it is now, it makes no sense whatsoever from a lore, tech, and logical standpoint. One of my favorite things about this series is that, aside from the Mass Effect, is quite realistic. This just screams "because it looks cool" at the cost of believability in the story.


from the wiki

..."The fabrication module(on the omni-tool) can rapidly assemble small three-dimensional objects from common, reusable industrial plastics, ceramics, and light alloys. "


So technically yes someone could progam an omnitool to create a extendable knife. I don't know how effective it would be, but it is possible.


Exactly... and that's from ME1. In which Omni-tools could also fabricate tech grenades and heal the wounded.

In ME2 the Omni-tools can create and project IncinerateStuff, the Cryo Ability, create a moving tech probe that can attack people AND blows up when destroyed, AND we have other uses of tech that transcend the whole light/matter barrier. Namely, we have the tech armour, and the Shadow Broker's shield. 

Going from there to an omni-blade is just a small step.

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iakus wrote...

Paula Deen wrote...

I really like the concept, and the animation, but it goes completely against the series' lore and tech.

The Omni-Blade is LITERALLY contrary to everything in the Codex. It is physical, hard, and SHARP light. LIGHT.

I would much prefer some kind of hidden or retractable blade in the wrist that pops out for the attack. As it is now, it makes no sense whatsoever from a lore, tech, and logical standpoint. One of my favorite things about this series is that, aside from the Mass Effect, is quite realistic. This just screams "because it looks cool" at the cost of believability in the story.


This.  All of it.

The omnitool didn't make a blade.  That I could handle.  It became a blade.  A blade made out of light.  For no apparant reason that "It looks bad****"  

"Push a button to make something Awesome happen" indeed :lol:


Ok didn't think i would have to post this again.<_<

from the wiki

..."The fabrication module(on the omni-tool) can rapidly assemble small three-dimensional objects from common, reusable industrial plastics, ceramics, and light alloys. "


So technically yes someone could progam an omnitool to create a extendable knife. I don't know how effective it would be, but it is possible.

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Out of curiosity, but why didn't you complain about a *light* manufacturing things on the field in Mass Effect?

For all we know the Omnitool is just manufacturing a small blade using some sort of materials.

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JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...


Appropriate...?  How is a laser knife appropriate at all for the Mass Effect universe?  Especially in the last game of the trilogy, why add something that has absolutely no basis in any established lore?


Alright...  I was going to leave it but...

How is a laser knife appropriate in a universe with GIANT LIFE DESTROYING ROBOTS, TALKING ALIENS and PHYSICS BREAKING SPACE TRAVEL?

Get your head examined.

Seriously.  This is the isse you're going to nit pick.


So are you going to discredit nearly every sci-fi game/show/novel/movie ever made?  It's science-FICTION for a reason, but there are established lore and rules that you have to stick by.


get over it already its in the game leave it at that.


Sorry I know I've been stressing about it for almost a half an hour now, far too long to worry about something.  But anyway, we all know that the game is finalized 9 months before launch, especially a small feature like what the PC uses for melee attacks.


so bioware should listen to you and all the others who dont want it in because you guys dont like it? let them make their game there are thing they have said that i dont like but im not crying about it.


Who are they making the game for if not their fans?  Wait and see how many people like/dislike it and then tell my BioWare's intentions.  If I've learned anything since the EA acquisition, it's that BioWare will now do anything for a quick buck.

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trobbins777 wrote...
Ok didn't think i would have to post this again.<_<

from the wiki

..."The fabrication module(on the omni-tool) can rapidly assemble small three-dimensional objects from common, reusable industrial plastics, ceramics, and light alloys. "


So technically yes someone could progam an omnitool to create a extendable knife. I don't know how effective it would be, but it is possible.


Again, create vs become.  The blade is sparkly orange, like the holographic interface of an omnitool.  Not metallic, like a gun, or armor.  The blade was literally made of light.

Modifié par iakus, 06 juin 2011 - 08:24 .


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What I didn't want was a manga/anime influenced Katana fighting, this techno blade is nice, also according to the tone of the series looks pretty realistic, I'm not amazed about it but it's defenitely much better than the old elbow attack.

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Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...


Appropriate...?  How is a laser knife appropriate at all for the Mass Effect universe?  Especially in the last game of the trilogy, why add something that has absolutely no basis in any established lore?


Alright...  I was going to leave it but...

How is a laser knife appropriate in a universe with GIANT LIFE DESTROYING ROBOTS, TALKING ALIENS and PHYSICS BREAKING SPACE TRAVEL?

Get your head examined.

Seriously.  This is the isse you're going to nit pick.


So are you going to discredit nearly every sci-fi game/show/novel/movie ever made?  It's science-FICTION for a reason, but there are established lore and rules that you have to stick by.


get over it already its in the game leave it at that.


Sorry I know I've been stressing about it for almost a half an hour now, far too long to worry about something.  But anyway, we all know that the game is finalized 9 months before launch, especially a small feature like what the PC uses for melee attacks.


so bioware should listen to you and all the others who dont want it in because you guys dont like it? let them make their game there are thing they have said that i dont like but im not crying about it.


Who are they making the game for if not their fans?  Wait and see how many people like/dislike it and then tell my BioWare's intentions.  If I've learned anything since the EA acquisition, it's that BioWare will now do anything for a quick buck.


well from what i see in this thread its about even some people dont care, some like it, and some dont thats pretty normal. and if you havent realized bioware is also trying to appeal to the action fans. they know they got their core fans on lock.

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iakus wrote...
The blade was literally made of light.


Just because it's luminous doesn't mean it's only made of light.

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it seems cool enough, but how about a way to customize the weapon type itself... i would love to get a biotic/omnitool whip...

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Looks ugly and silly.

But as ME3 apparently goes down the drain anyway it kinda fits.

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Nashiktal wrote...

Out of curiosity, but why didn't you complain about a *light* manufacturing things on the field in Mass Effect?

For all we know the Omnitool is just manufacturing a small blade using some sort of materials.


QFMFT

People just like to cry a lot. As if reapers, asari, turians,biotics, etc. were aaaaall realistic (yeah they exist in the real world) but an omni-blade is not?

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Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...


Appropriate...?  How is a laser knife appropriate at all for the Mass Effect universe?  Especially in the last game of the trilogy, why add something that has absolutely no basis in any established lore?


Alright...  I was going to leave it but...

How is a laser knife appropriate in a universe with GIANT LIFE DESTROYING ROBOTS, TALKING ALIENS and PHYSICS BREAKING SPACE TRAVEL?

Get your head examined.

Seriously.  This is the isse you're going to nit pick.


So are you going to discredit nearly every sci-fi game/show/novel/movie ever made?  It's science-FICTION for a reason, but there are established lore and rules that you have to stick by.


get over it already its in the game leave it at that.


Sorry I know I've been stressing about it for almost a half an hour now, far too long to worry about something.  But anyway, we all know that the game is finalized 9 months before launch, especially a small feature like what the PC uses for melee attacks.


so bioware should listen to you and all the others who dont want it in because you guys dont like it? let them make their game there are thing they have said that i dont like but im not crying about it.


Who are they making the game for if not their fans?  Wait and see how many people like/dislike it and then tell my BioWare's intentions.  If I've learned anything since the EA acquisition, it's that BioWare will now do anything for a quick buck.


New fans?  :P

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I'm open to use the Omni-blade, though I'm gonna miss the elbow. I f'n loved that elbow.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

I think the omni-blade is a lot better than fifteen elbows to the face.


lol, well put. it would be pretty epic if we could do a falcon punch or something, but shepard just ends up giving them "the peoples elbow" 4-5 times for the kill (this is with soldier melee damage mind you). nothing more annoying than dying to a husk while behind cover, trying to melee the crap out of it for 5 whole seconds.

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I'm just excited for new close combat options. Lore and believable tech have never been paramount on my priority list.

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KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
The blade was literally made of light.


Just because it's luminous doesn't mean it's only made of light.


True.  But the fact that it looks like a spiky omnitool interface is a pretty good indication:D

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KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

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Bayonets? Nope. They're issued and thrown under your bunk like your Promask and the rest of your MOPP gear.


This lot used them in Iraq http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/8016685.stm


Hah.  You found one example of bayonets being used as weapons in the last 8 years.

You win.

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Who are they making the game for if not their fans?  Wait and see how many people like/dislike it and then tell my BioWare's intentions.  If I've learned anything since the EA acquisition, it's that BioWare will now do anything for a quick buck.


New fans?  :P


Perhaps.  Though as a general rule its usually not a good idea to irritate your older fanbase just to gain new ones.  Particuarly when that older fanbase is the reason that you're still arround to gain new fans.

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JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...


Appropriate...?  How is a laser knife appropriate at all for the Mass Effect universe?  Especially in the last game of the trilogy, why add something that has absolutely no basis in any established lore?


Alright...  I was going to leave it but...

How is a laser knife appropriate in a universe with GIANT LIFE DESTROYING ROBOTS, TALKING ALIENS and PHYSICS BREAKING SPACE TRAVEL?

Get your head examined.

Seriously.  This is the isse you're going to nit pick.


So are you going to discredit nearly every sci-fi game/show/novel/movie ever made?  It's science-FICTION for a reason, but there are established lore and rules that you have to stick by.


get over it already its in the game leave it at that.


Sorry I know I've been stressing about it for almost a half an hour now, far too long to worry about something.  But anyway, we all know that the game is finalized 9 months before launch, especially a small feature like what the PC uses for melee attacks.


so bioware should listen to you and all the others who dont want it in because you guys dont like it? let them make their game there are thing they have said that i dont like but im not crying about it.


Who are they making the game for if not their fans?  Wait and see how many people like/dislike it and then tell my BioWare's intentions.  If I've learned anything since the EA acquisition, it's that BioWare will now do anything for a quick buck.


well from what i see in this thread its about even some people dont care, some like it, and some dont thats pretty normal. and if you havent realized bioware is also trying to appeal to the action fans. they know they got their core fans on lock.


Ah, and now we finally arrive at the essence of our disagreement.  ME1 will always be the best game in the series for me, that is unless ME3 is a shocker.

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iakus wrote...

KnifeForkAndSpoon wrote...

iakus wrote...
The blade was literally made of light.


Just because it's luminous doesn't mean it's only made of light.


True.  But the fact that it looks like a spiky omnitool interface is a pretty good indication:D


I agree, there's no way that blade was made of anything else except light.

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Okay guys, one last try on that account. What you paint as being hate on a new feature is definetely a rage, little or not. But don't come on me like if I were an idiot just screaming because something is new. What we have here is a blade made out of light. I love the blade, I just don't like it being a glowing piece of light.

Why should it be a normal blade?

First, it doesn't glow. Simple as that. If I would be a soldier, the last thing I'd want my knife to do is glow. How should I sneak up to enemies to take them out silently or if camouflage is no big deal, why should I make my opponent wary about me readying a knife to attack him if in closed quarters?
A normal, blackened blade is far superiour in this manner. One moment there is a fist, the next moment there was a blade. No lights to warn you, simple, effective, just as deadly.

Second, it is easily replaceable, and would consume material only once after it was manufactured, even in-field as opposed to the constant need to materialize the tech-blade from nothing and then mysteriously back to nothing. Why not keep the blade?

Third, a premanufactured blade does not fail if your omni-tool loses power. It is still there. Ready to stab enemies without a malfunction. And a small device to ready it into fighting position is easily and foremostly mechanical and thus highly resistant to hacking or powerloss.




And what would we lose? Shiny light effects, that's all. Nothing more, zip, nada, niente, nichts,

How easy would it be to change? (Read that one with salt as I am no graphics designer)
Just change the animation of the blade and the mechanism to position it. Character movement would be the same. Again, if I am right, that wouldn't be hard to achieve.


That said, I WILL of course live with it. I find it cool too. It's just that I would like it exponentially more if it'd be kept a little more tame and original to the lore.
Yes, I am no big fan of Incinerate/Cryo-Blast and the displays of other powers (Drone (Don't let the signature fool you) and Tech Armor/Sb Shield), but I live with that too. And if it'd be more realistically, I'd love it even more (though I really wouldn't miss Incinerate and Cryo-Blast if I got good old Overload and Sabotage back).


I know it's just aesthetics, I know I am nitpicky, but just once I wished there'd be a SciFi game that doesn't want to ride on the Shiny-Wave. ME1 was nearly perfect. I don't know why they had to add all this graphical shizzlele when it was never needed.



And people, don't insult me just because I want things to be more down on earth. If there would have been a normal blade, no-one would have missed the light blade. They'd still all go "W00tz", so I don't understand YOUR rage on me wanting things be more considerate.

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I hope there is logical explanation for Omniblades. Because quite frankly Mass Effect has been going down the Fantasy ScFi ever so gradually.