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[Ixalmaris]

Dave of Canada wrote...

*sigh* Now Casey Hudson said that
TIM is behind everything Cerberus is doing, including having said
Cerberus is working with the Reapers. Yay Renegades...

Leave it to Bioware to take a promising beginning and turn it into an utter failure.

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 06 juin 2011 - 09:34 .

[oxymoo28]

Is it really that hard to imagine that Cerberus screwed up again and managed to get a large portion of it's staff indoctinated?

[Dave of Canada]

oxymoo28 wrote...

Is it really that hard to imagine that Cerberus screwed up again and managed to get a large portion of it's staff indoctinated?

When they are seperated into cells of 10-20 people and are 100~ or so people total, the majority consisting of scientists? Yes, it's hard to imagine Cerberus having an army of soldiers.

[Clonedzero]

my guess is that you fight cerberus the whole game and then find out they have been really working against the reapers the whole time.

[oxymoo28]

Dave of Canada wrote...

When they are seperated into cells of 10-20 people and are 100~ or so people total, the majority consisting of scientists? Yes, it's hard to imagine Cerberus having an army of soldiers.

Right just checked the wiki (occasionally risky, I know) and it says Cerberus consists of 150 operatives in 3 cells as of 2185. All run by The Illusive Man. If the Reapers get him they can indoctrinate the entire operation.
Do we know what year Mass Effect 3 starts in? TIM may have had time to do some major recruiting.

[Dean_the_Young]

Or cloning. Or EDI didn't know what she was talking about.

[Seboist]

Ultai wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

*sigh* Now Casey Hudson said that TIM is behind everything Cerberus is doing, including having said Cerberus is working with the Reapers. Yay Renegades...

Seriously, even playing a gray Shepard seems pointless now, let alone a Renegade.

My canon neutral pragmatist and pseudo-canon 100% pro-Cerberus renegon Sheps are getting screwed without lube.

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

oxymoo28 wrote...

Is it really that hard to imagine that Cerberus screwed up again and managed to get a large portion of it's staff indoctinated?

When they are seperated into cells of 10-20 people and are 100~ or so people total, the majority consisting of scientists? Yes, it's hard to imagine Cerberus having an army of soldiers.

Yep and they suffered a lot of losses in Retribution(not to mention ME1 and ME2).

[stormrain]

My Shep has hated Cerberus since he found out they were behind Akuze. I'm going to enjoy gunning them down.

My other Shep will be sorely disappointed though. He liked Cerberus.

[Herbert West]

They got indoctrinated. Being a generic enemy comes with the territory.

[Cainne Chapel]

Also... those guys may not have worked for Cerberus during the time of EDI's construction....

I mean hey come on, Cerberus can build an advanced stealth warship with the latest tech in 2 years, but its hard to imagine them fielding an organic army in 4-6 months?

Could be they hired a merc crew and indoctrinated them all, or something of that nature. Never a lack of Mercs in the ME universe.

I mean heck, between ME1 and ME2 my shep has killed hundreds.

[littlezack]

I think people put way too much stock in that one little comment EDI made. There's no way Cerberus can do all they do and only have 150 people.

[Someone With Mass]

littlezack wrote...

I think people put way too much stock in that one little comment EDI made. There's no way Cerberus can do all they do and only have 150 people.

And they were all operatives like Miranda. People in charge of other people. It's not that hard to figure that out.

[Sheppard-Commander]

Herbert West wrote...

They got indoctrinated. Being a generic enemy comes with the territory.

Thread necromancy is bad. You should stop doing it.

[Massadonious1]

Yeah, this totally needed to be nec'roed.

[Bad King]

Mystik wrote...

did you play ME1? Cerberus was never up to any good. experiments with Rachni, and Thoreans. The Illusive Man sent Sheppard into traps, he just want Reaper technology for himself. Cerberus was never trustworthy.

Experiments designed to create shock troopers to aid humanity in the struggle against the reapers. Cerberus were the main faction combatting the reapers, now they are servants of them.

And untrustworthy =/= serving the reapers.

Modifié par Bad King, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:35 .

[Someone With Mass]

One theory could be that Cerberus is the Reapers' way of checking various races for compatibility and usefulness if their leaders were indoctrinated from the start.

Like how they're always trying to create a human super biotic. Guess who are interested in the same thing...that's right. The Reapers.

“Human; viable possibility, great biotic potential.”

Or how they're always looking for a way to control all geth.

“Geth; an annoyance, limited utility.”

And Shepard's death could've been their opportunity to implant him/her with Reaper tech as a way to bring him/her back to life, because Cerberus suddenly have the technology to bring people back from the dead? And it's never brought up until after the events in ME1, where they probably secured a lot of parts from Sovereign/reverse-engineered some of it?

Sounds like a little too much of a coincident to me.

[Nozybidaj]

Paula Deen wrote...
Don't get me wrong, I love what I see so far and I'm super excited, but this just stuck out like a sore thumb to me.

Fighting Cerberus and them possibly being indoctrinated fits in pretty well with the way the series originally started.  The only part sticking out like a sore thumb to me was their retcon in ME2 and being railroaded into working for them.

[Les_Carver]

Dave of Canada wrote...

As somebody who fully supported Cerberus in everything, I'd really hope there's more to this. :I

Agreed, some of my Shepards would really support Cerberus goals back in ME2. I'd love to find a way to turn TIM and Cerberus into our allies again, or to redeem themselves other than just killing them

[nhsk]

Who cares... It is going to be

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You know the drill

[Labrev]

Count me in, too, for the "wait and see" crowd. It'll suck if indoctrination is the only reason, but with the Reapers in our space, its inevitable that there will be indoctrination/allies turned against us.

But still, Cerberus could easily turn on a generally pro-Cerberus Shepard. They just have to do something that Shepard can't possibly support, at which point Shepard is a threat and needs to be killed.

Cerberus as an enemy does not go beyond logic or lore, by the way. Lets count the warning signs against them:
-- ME1 sidequests
-- Anderson in ME2
-- The Council in ME2, both
-- Shepard paragon dialogue, regarding Cerberus
-- Rawlings Data (indicates illicit activity)
-- Jacob
-- Jack
-- Garrus, Tali (reiterate past actions from ME1)
-- VS
-- Squadmate on Collector Vessel
-- Tela Vasir
-- The quarians
-- TIM telling Shepard to F off when told how to use the Collector Base.

^^^ note that I haven't read any ME literature, this is limited strictly to the games.

Cerberus betraying us, in fact, is about as predictable as any potential plot twist.

[iAmLegion2183]

Cerberus want human domination of the galaxy. Shepard is working to unite all sentient life in the galaxy against the Reapers, thus Shepard is working against Cerberus main goal. I don't think Cerberus is indoctrinated, I think Cerberus wants to save a viable human population by hiding them away from the Reapers. The Reapers destroy all other life in the galaxy, and leave for dark space. Humans reemerge in the galaxy and go on to colonise the rest of the galaxy. They just have to destroy the Sentinel Reaper then they'll have 50,000 years to develop new technologies that would rival the Reapers.

Modifié par iAmLegion2183, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:54 .

[matt-bassist]

i was starting to get upset about this, reading everyones comments. I was gonna say "hey its possible guys, Cerberus are a really shading outfit..." then i read one about how in ME2 their whole goal is to combat the Reapers because the Council is sitting on its ass...

... now they're working FOR the Reapers? Give me a god damn break. Seriously Bioware? What an utterly stupid retcon from the writer. Typical though, if you've read the shockingly poor novels.

ME3 loses a point.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Les_Carver wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

As somebody who fully supported Cerberus in everything, I'd really hope there's more to this. :I

Agreed,
some of my Shepards would really support Cerberus goals back in ME2.
I'd love to find a way to turn TIM and Cerberus into our allies again,
or to redeem themselves other than just killing them

Agreed,
Jack (my Avatar) is a Cerberus supporter now. To me it seems a bit
bonkers for there to be the line in ME2 where Miranda says that she
wishes Cerberus had recruited us sooner and we get the chance to say
that we wish they had if they then gonna make it so there isn't logical
reason behind them wanting to stop us.

matt-bassist wrote...

i was starting to get upset about this, reading everyones comments. I was gonna say "hey its possible guys, Cerberus are a really shading outfit..." then i read one about how in ME2 their whole goal is to combat the Reapers because the Council is sitting on its ass...

... now they're working FOR the Reapers? Give me a god damn break. Seriously Bioware? What an utterly stupid retcon from the writer. Typical though, if you've read the shockingly poor novels.

ME3 loses a point.

Erm... whilst I know Casey made a comment about it... I'll just remind you of the comment Chris Priestly made in this topic.

Chris Priestly wrote...

No Paula, you really don't get it.

You have seen a few minutes of footage in a trailer. You do not yet know any of the details you are overguessing.

More will be revealed. in the future. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

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Also... we've already had some of the Cerberus people working for the Reapers via the Geth/Collectors in ME2 (Dr O'Loy on Project: Firewalker), so it ain't that much of a stretch for some more of them to fall under the influence of indoctrination.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 12 juillet 2011 - 06:09 .

[Savber100]

There's already some theories that TIM believes Shepard has been indoctrinated and wants him to be eliminated before he become a danger.

This would explain why TIM would suddenly turn on Shepard. Perhaps, the events of Arrival and Project Rho made TIM go "WTH?" Shepard just endangered Humanity's place in the world by killing off 500,000 Batarians. What happened? TIM discovers that Shepard came into contact with a Reaper artifact and comes to the conclusion that Shepard has gone bonkers.