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[The Elder King]

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

All Garrus says is "you remember what kind of sick experiments they did?" and then later on he talks about how he wishes they joined up with them sooner.

What a bro. 

That he is and Mordin is another alien that's eager about working with Cerberus. He even agreed with TIM's plan with the Collector ship.

Though If I don't remember bad in the Normandy he is contrary about not destroy the CB. Legion was the same.

[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Okay, then tell me how Cerberus can help you (not me, you. I'm not working with people that kills their employees the second they're of no use or goes rogue) stop the Reapers

They have a planet-carving-giga-cannon

Modifié par GodWood, 12 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[Phaedon]

Which helped so much last time around.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

That he is and Mordin is another alien that's eager about working with Cerberus. He even agreed with TIM's plan with the Collector ship.

Yeah, Mordin was just eager because Cerberus had resources he didn't have on Omega. That doesn't mean he agrees with their ideals.

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Lol, wow.... lots of people willing to justify inhumane and grotesque expirements here. Glad no one here is making government policies huh? Scary...

"Killing kids is terrible, don't put that in the game for any reason evar!!!1"

"So what they tortured and murdered kids in terrible ways, they iz trying to better hoomanitee!!!"

Neat differences of opinion. Cerberus is on borrowed time for all of my games.

[GodWood]

Phaedon wrote...
Which helped so much last time around.

It need not win the war.
He asked how they could help.
I answered.

Call me weird but I think a planet-carving-Reaper-killing-giga-cannon is better then no planet-carving-Reaper-killing-giga-cannon.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What relevance does this have?

Oh no! Cerberus is trying to give humanity an edge in a possible future war! The bastards!

Except, they didn't. They were about to shut it down, when that idiot Archer thought it was a good idea to strap his autistic brother, because he could "talk" with the geth (which is so unbelievably stupid, since Legion says that's not how they communicate to begin with) to a machine that merged him with a VI that almost uploaded itself to the extranet.

[GodWood]

Gixxer6Rdr wrote...
"So what they tortured and murdered kids in terrible ways, they iz trying to better hoomanitee!!!"

Neat differences of opinion. Cerberus is on borrowed time for all of my games.

Pragia was a rogue cell and as soon as TIM found at about what they were doing he sent agents to shut it down. (only to find Jack had already killed everybody anyway)


EDIT: I swear it's like people are trying to make up excuses to hate TIM

Modifié par GodWood, 12 juillet 2011 - 08:57 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

GodWood wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
Which helped so much last time around.

It need not win the war.
He asked how they could help.
I answered.

Call me weird but I think a planet-carving-Reaper-killing-giga-cannon is better then no planet-carving-Reaper-killing-giga-cannon.

They pretty clearly say that weapon no longer works.

[GodWood]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
They pretty clearly say that weapon no longer works.

If they can resurect a corpse they can fix a gun.

[Phaedon]

GodWood wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
Which helped so much last time around.

It need not win the war.
He asked how they could help.
I answered.

Call me weird but I think a planet-carving-Reaper-killing-giga-cannon is better then no planet-carving-Reaper-killing-giga-cannon.

We'll see. I have yet to understand why the race died after using it once, and why Cerberus hasn't tried to replicate it. Because if they did, and they managed to have a nice stock, they shouldn't care about Collectors or Reapers that much.

And how many ancient weapons still work?

Modifié par Phaedon, 12 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[The Elder King]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Except, they didn't. They were about to shut it down,

Wich only proves that Cerberus doesn't like wasting resources on projects that don't appear to be making any progress.

Why does it mean I can't trust them?

Explain Pragia then. Torturing children to advance humanity is wrong. I can't trust  completely someone who made that. (and the fact that TIM didn't know about the project, while isn't something good to me. That means that there are lot of possibilities that Cerberus project the experiments can get too far)
And about Azuke, only because you're not a Sole Survivor that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. My Shepard knew about the Azuke experiment. Trying to create a super soldier while torturing humans is wrong.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 juillet 2011 - 09:02 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...


Wich only proves that Cerberus doesn't like wasting resources on projects that don't appear to be making any progress.

Why does it mean I can't trust them?

Well, they have no control over their own personel, so why the hell should I give them more power to screw up on a even grander scale?

Also, TIM withheld valuable information that could've made some operations with Shepard a lot smoother, but in his delusional world, the Collectors and the Reapers can hear every word they say.

[GodWood]

hhh89 wrote...
Explain Pragia then.

Rogue cell.

[Phaedon]

GodWood wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Explain Pragia then.

Rogue cell.

No. Cell that went, eventually rogue.

The whole operation was about abducting and testing on children. They didn't go rogue until children started dying and TIM requested reports.

[The Elder King]

GodWood wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
Explain Pragia then.

Rogue cell.

I edited my post explaining that this isn't necessary a good think. There are already two projects that TIM didn't control completely, Pragia and Overlord. I don't know if something like that can't happen in the future.
And about TIM, he implanted Reaper technology in a Cerberus former agent in a book. That doesn't speak too good about thim

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Yeah yeah... it also looks like people are slapping blinders on to enable Cerberus Lovin'. They're the ME version of every dispicable black-ops group/villainous Science team ever. And yet they still have their defenders. Neato, defend away. I hate and don't trust them because they have no moral compass, no sense of right or wrong. Only results or not. They remind me of advanced future-****s with their elitism and lack of humanity.

That's my unchangeable opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

[Seboist]

hhh89 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Seboist wrote...

All Garrus says is "you remember what kind of sick experiments they did?" and then later on he talks about how he wishes they joined up with them sooner.

What a bro. 

That he is and Mordin is another alien that's eager about working with Cerberus. He even agreed with TIM's plan with the Collector ship.

Though If I don't remember bad in the Normandy he is contrary about not destroy the CB. Legion was the same.

Yeah,Mordin and Legion supported keeping the base until they made a complete 180 and scolded Shepard for being an idiot back on the Normandy for no apparent reason.

[The Elder King]

Saphra Deden wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Explain Pragia then. Torturing children to advance humanity is wrong.

Using an entire species as a buffer and expendable fodder in your war against scary bugs is also wrong.

It
doesn't give me any reason to doubt Cerberus' authenticity when it
comes to fighting the Reapers, which is my primary concern.


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I don't understand. Do you mean the Krogan? In this case, yes, is wrong too.
About the second part of your post, I agree. As I already said I don't understand how Cerberus joined the Reaper. I don't like much TIM, but he was determined to fight the Reapers in ME2 (even in the intro, before talking with Shepard).

Modifié par hhh89, 12 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Gixxer6Rdr wrote...
"So what they tortured and murdered kids in terrible ways, they iz trying to better hoomanitee!!!"

Neat differences of opinion. Cerberus is on borrowed time for all of my games.

Pragia was a rogue cell and as soon as TIM found at about what they were doing he sent agents to shut it down. (only to find Jack had already killed everybody anyway)


EDIT: I swear it's like people are trying to make up excuses to hate TIM

Yeah and the poor guy doesn't get any credit for saving humanity from the Collectors.

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Neither do the Alliance Council.

What is the lesson here, that I can't trust anybody?

Cerberus isn't perfect, but they've been a bigger help to me than they've been a hindrance. So I'll stick with them at least until the Reapers are eradicated.

No, the big lession here is that for an organization that rarely has more than 2 operations running at the same time, the dozen of operations that they have failed, and the couple of hundred of operatives they have lost, scream incompetance.

And that's not even the main argument against Cerberus.
They are amoral and proud of it.They have no problem with turning against you if it's profitable. TIM doesn't want to advance all humanity, he wants to advance the humanity he wants (certainly not his test subjects or non pro-humanist politicians), in the way he wants. Being pro-human didn't stop them from blowing up ships over human colonies just in case a better biotic could be found.

Not only are they incompetend, therefore, but they are also not trustworthy.

Did I mention that their leader has the maturity of a ten year old, has held grudges so badly as to even put his own organization into danger, blames Shepard for being idealistic, and openly admits wanting to use the contents of the Collector Base against parties other than the Reapers.

No, he didn't. He withheld information that might have spoiled your mission before it had even begun. Try not thinking of yourself as the center of the universe for a change.

Spoiled? Really?

Modifié par Phaedon, 12 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .