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[Digifi]

I remember a certain thief was also denied to be in game...break out the tinfoil hat and conspiracies!

[Quinnzel]

Where's the ole, 'DoNotTrustToHopeItHasForsakenTheseLands.jpg'?
I'm gonna have to guess to a big 'no' for a prothean character, though I would like to see it/them

[Thargorichiban]

Personally I'd enjoy a scene with our new Prothean teammate waking up (I assume he/she/it was in stasis) seeing a Reaper and going: "Oh hell... Put me back in, put me back in!!!"

[Lenimph]

I want a prothean squaddie... That way if Miranda ends up being bi and I have to leave Liara well... Liara has easy rebound xD

Modifié par Lenimph, 07 juin 2011 - 03:25 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

For all the subtleness and lack of overused cliches in the original, there doesn't seem to be much left of that now.

[habitat 67]

Cossack72 wrote...

Betcha that Prothean is from the Citadel.

So that's why Keeper 20 was hanging out in that air shaft for so long. He was reawakening the Prothean stasis pods!

[Thargorichiban]

habitat 67 wrote...

Cossack72 wrote...

Betcha that Prothean is from the Citadel.

So that's why Keeper 20 was hanging out in that air shaft for so long. He was reawakening the Prothean stasis pods!

Or the Prothean will actually be Keeper 20 that has a Prothean consciousness transferred into its mind!

Eh? Eh?!

[SSJ5]

Here's my thread about why would having a Prothean squaddie be reasonable.

http://social.biowar...3/index/6893439

I think everything is covered (not the OP, the entire thread).

Modifié par SSJ5, 07 juin 2011 - 03:40 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

IMO it's actually pretty reasonable that a Prothean could survive. The stasis pods on Ilos lasted a long time, and that was with thousands or tens of thousands of pods. If you had just a few pods from the very beginning, they'd have lasted a lot longer.

But stasis in most Sci-Fi doesn't COMPLETELY stop metabolism (as that might philosophically mean death), it just slows it down a lot. So they could have put basically a fetus in stasis and very slowly trained its mind as Prothean with simulations. OR it could have been traveling at near-light speed while in stasis. Probably part of the reason why the Reapers want everyone to use their technology to get around the speed-of-light issues. The couple of escaped Protheans would have had plenty of time to kill after using the Conduit to get to the Citadel and reprogram the Keepers. Vigil did say he doesn't know what happened to them afterward.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 07 juin 2011 - 05:38 .

[LisuPL]

Name of the DLC doens't mean it's Prothean squaddie.....
It' might be a mission to uncover something Prothean durning witch you get a new squaddie of maybe already known or yet to be unvieled alien race, that is not Prothean.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.

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Anyone think the old text was "• Day 1 DLC – the Prothean (Adventure/Character) - but don't talk about this yet!!!!" Or "• Day 1 DLC – the Prothean (Adventure/Character) - but everyone who buys it new gets this, like Zaeed."

[adlocutio]

If there were at least one male and one female who survived Ilos, or at least one viable sperm sample or ovum, the Protheans could have created a line of descendants from that.

They obviously had enough knowledge to alter the genetic engineering of the Keepers, so there's no reason they couldn't alter the genes of foetuses in the womb or lab so that they could breed with small numbers, if that was even an issue for them.

In fact, you don't even need a live prothean if you have the genetic material from one unaltered by the reapers you could might grow one in another species' egg. Basic cloning.

[Aimi]

adlocutio wrote...

If there were at least one male and one female who survived Ilos, or at least one viable sperm sample or ovum, the Protheans could have created a line of descendants from that.

They obviously had enough knowledge to alter the genetic engineering of the Keepers, so there's no reason they couldn't alter the genes of foetuses in the womb or lab so that they could breed with small numbers, if that was even an issue for them.

In fact, you don't even need a live prothean if you have the genetic material from one unaltered by the reapers you could might grow one in another species' egg. Basic cloning.

Well, Vigil stated that the small group of researchers that it awoke from cryogenic freezing was too small a group to sustain a viable population.  How many were there, twelve?  (Did we ever find out?)  I don't think Prothean technology had advanced that far.

[adlocutio]

daqs wrote...

adlocutio wrote...

[snip]

Well, Vigil stated that the small group of researchers that it awoke from cryogenic freezing was too small a group to sustain a viable population.  How many were there, twelve?  (Did we ever find out?)  I don't think Prothean technology had advanced that far.

Cloning and genetic alterations in utero bypass the problem of population size, if inbreeding is even a concern for the Protheans at all. Our real life technology is approaching this level in the next hundred years, so of course the Protheans could do it. They re-engineered the Keepers, after all.

Hell, we could clone ourselves today if we wanted to. It's not an issue of technology or population size. It's a simple procedure. The only thing which might have prevented the Protheans from doing it is lack of a womb/place for gestation. If, for example, there were no females (pre-menopause, if they have that, and if it were a limitiation for their species) and an artificial environment couldn't be constructed with what they had, then perhaps it wouldn't have worked.

But still, if a single Prothean had died out in the snow in Noveria and flash-froze, Cerberus (or anyone) could have found the body and cloned it without too much trouble.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

adlocutio is right. Population size stops being a problem when your understanding of genetic code gets to a certain point. And yeah, there are other possibilities as mentioned by him and LisuPL. What I don't buy is that this DLC wont exist, though. ;-)

[Confused-Shepard]

Dislike the concept of a Prothean squadmate but love having a robot dog.

[WizenSlinky0]

You can also consider the fact that the Collector Base had a very large amount of Prothean genetic data. Could just as much be a clone of a prothean based off that data, using data extracted by EDI during your run-and-gun through the base (required part of the explanation in order to give it to Paragons as well, though could be interesting to see a game do different character for either a paragon or renegade...not that they ever would).

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 07 juin 2011 - 08:00 .

[Biotic Sage]

The robot dog thing reminds me a little too much of the extra mabari hound from DA2 for my taste...

[Aimi]

adlocutio wrote...

Cloning and genetic alterations in utero bypass the problem of population size, if inbreeding is even a concern for the Protheans at all. Our real life technology is approaching this level in the next hundred years, so of course the Protheans could do it. They re-engineered the Keepers, after all.

Hell, we could clone ourselves today if we wanted to. It's not an issue of technology or population size. It's a simple procedure. The only thing which might have prevented the Protheans from doing it is lack of a womb/place for gestation. If, for example, there were no females (pre-menopause, if they have that, and if it were a limitiation for their species) and an artificial environment couldn't be constructed with what they had, then perhaps it wouldn't have worked.

But still, if a single Prothean had died out in the snow in Noveria and flash-froze, Cerberus (or anyone) could have found the body and cloned it without too much trouble.

That's a fair point.  I'm a historian, not a biologist.  

I guess the question is, why would anybody clone a Prothean?

[poisonoustea]

Oh nice, day 1 DLC as expected. I'll save my money to buy The Witcher 2.

Nevermind, sorry for the OT.

Modifié par poisonoustea, 07 juin 2011 - 08:22 .

[SkittlesKat96]

Wait so there is day 1 DLC that you actually can't get from preordering and you have to pay extra money for the collectors edition? :'(

I hope not. Day 1 DLC should be with the preorder version or the actual game especially if its an additional squad mate...

[elfdwarf]

krogan who made clones
cerberus brought back shep from dead
rachni survive from war in egg
zaeed survive shot in head
tell me what is impossible in mass effect universe

[Icinix]

Thank you Chris.

You guys had me concerned for a while there -


...unless you're doing a prothean DLC later on..in which case...

a pre-emptive WTF?

Edit: Wow. Typos everywhere.

Modifié par Icinix, 07 juin 2011 - 09:52 .

[P3G4SU5]

Biotic Sage wrote...

"A mistake from old text"....?

I'm usually skeptical about these sort of things, but let's consider the facts:
1. This was put up on an official website for preordering the collector's edition http://store.origin....uctID=231087700
2. Chris P. hastily covered Bioware's ass
3. For everyone saying that Prothean's are "not possible" or that it wouldn't make sense to include them, consider the facts from ME1: we know that at least some Protheans made it to the Citadel, we don't know what happened to them after that, and with enough energy, cryogenic freezing could keep them alive for thousands of years. Would it not make sense for the last of the Protheans to cryo-freeze themselves in a secure/remote location as a last ditch, failsafe?

Just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the ultimate leak, and almost a year early!

I was thinking along the same lines. However we won't know until later. So...now we wait .

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 07 juin 2011 - 10:10 .

[MrGone]

If there is a prothean - then it's a collector. seeing as that's what the protheans became.

This makes sense though.

Why? Legion.

In ME1, we fought the geth, so getting a geth ally to see things with their perspective gave us a counter balance.

In ME2 We fought the collectors. It follows that if we were to get an older enemy, it would be a collector, i.e. a Prothean.

Of course this means in ME4 . . .

we team up with a Reaper?


"Hi! I'm commander Shepard and this is my buddy Richard Reap- uh Ripper! Yeah, that'll work . . . "