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[Jaron Oberyn]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Role playing is dead in Bioware games. They're making action games now. Try to keep up.

This. I watched E3 just for this. 5 hours, and I was not impressed. This is nothing but a GoW wannabe. A sad one at that. If I wanted a michael bay action shooter, I'd play GoW, made by a company who prides themselves on the ability to make those  types of games, not ME, made by a company that wants to be like Epic and forgot who they used to be. You guys at Bioware are seriously trying too hard. And don't say that out of 3 minutes we didn't see anything - there was much more than 3 minutes of footage shown from the earth reveal to the salarian planet, and all of it was shooter. Not just in gameplay, but dialogue wise. We no longer control shepard, he's become an already defined character. ME2 touched upon this with LoTSB and Arrival, but ME3 seems to be taking this to its maximum potential.

How can you deliver on your promise that each player will have a unique experience when 90% of the stuff shepard does/SAYS is automatic? Why have players invest based on this promise since the beginning of the series just to have their character taken over by the game in the second and third installments? You keep saying its a shooter RPG, but it isn't. Some people define roleplaying games by stats and customization, but what really separates roleplaying games is giving the player the ability to ROLE PLAY. And thats exactly what you've taken from us.

This game is pure shooter, with a few decisions sprinkled around here and there. That doesn't classify it as an RPG. Funny thing is that GoW3 was apparently trying to add RPG mechanics into their game, yet Bioware continues to strip them out. They've gotten so full of this "emotionally engaging cinematic experience" that they've taken players out of control of their characters and essentially made it an interactive film.

I was initially going to buy this just for the sake of finishing the trilogy, but why add to the misconception you guys have of this game being so great as it is by adding more money to your wallets?

My biggest problem is that you guys wont even admit it. You keep telling your core fans, the fans who made you who you are today mind you, that you're going to make the RPg features richer. Your one chance to show that you were people of your word after the abomination called DA2 was E3, and you appease the shooter fanboys who love the explosions and cartwheels and the grenades. I'm calling you guys out on your statement that RPG elements would be improved upon.

Personally, as someone who's countlessly defended this company in the beginning, and been with them since their glory days, I find this insulting as a core fan. This is how you treat your original audience? Sidelining us for the big bucks? As long as theres more lettuce in your pockets, I suppose you'll be sleeping like a baby.

-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 06 juin 2011 - 09:31 .

[Romantiq]

They want to appeal to GoW fans like silly-no-brainer Solid N7 here. Simple as that.

Modifié par Romantiq, 06 juin 2011 - 09:35 .

[aridor1570]

Anathemic wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

ink07 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm sorry, you are asking "where is the roleplaying" in the (roughly) 3 minutes of in-game video you have seen so far?

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously. We are asking where are the Roleplaying elements in the 4 live demos + online trailers you have shown. It's not like you couldn't release an "RPG elements" trailer/mini feature for sites covering the event.

Try to keep up.

4 Demos, each at the leangh of 3-5 minutes, only 3 shown and ONE GAMEPLAY trailer, How can A TRAILER show roleplay mechanics?!

By making a trailer/demo centered on RP elements? How about a dialogue scene or a 'living breathing' world/envirronment, etc.?

That'll take a long time of presentaging , and form what we've seen, they're time was limited.

[Anathemic]

aridor1570 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

ink07 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm sorry, you are asking "where is the roleplaying" in the (roughly) 3 minutes of in-game video you have seen so far?

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously. We are asking where are the Roleplaying elements in the 4 live demos + online trailers you have shown. It's not like you couldn't release an "RPG elements" trailer/mini feature for sites covering the event.

Try to keep up.

4 Demos, each at the leangh of 3-5 minutes, only 3 shown and ONE GAMEPLAY trailer, How can A TRAILER show roleplay mechanics?!

By making a trailer/demo centered on RP elements? How about a dialogue scene or a 'living breathing' world/envirronment, etc.?

That'll take a long time of presentaging , and form what we've seen, they're time was limited.

That's weak, I'm pretty sure the ideas I suggested can easily fulfill the 3-5 minutes you have graciously defined.

[Chris Priestly]

ink07 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm sorry, you are asking "where is the roleplaying" in the (roughly) 3 minutes of in-game video you have seen so far?

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously. We are asking where are the Roleplaying elements in the 4 live demos + online trailers you have shown. It's not like you couldn't release an "RPG elements" trailer/mini feature for sites covering the event.

Try to keep up.

I'm not questioning that you all want more info on RPG mechanics, choice, dialog, etc.

I am quesitoning the OP who seemed to be saying that since we had not shown any RPG elements yet, we must have abandoned RPG.

Glad to know I was totally off base with my silly supposition and it was more the usual demand for MOAR.

[Memphis Slim]

It wouldn't be a forum without fresh uproar.

[Chromie]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm sorry, you are asking "where is the roleplaying" in the (roughly) 3 minutes of in-game video you have seen so far?

Seriously?

Well they were missing from ME2 and DA2 so I think we should worry a bit.

[Crackseed]

Polite, you type alot but all I see is someone being negative for the sake of being negative. People cry and scream about "Do not show too many spoilers!" - and most of the new RPG points aside from new mechanics/deeper skill trees, etc would probably verge on spoilers. However, RPG elements are generally not going to be showcased in the first day of E3 - the first day of E3 is always "Get people on their feet and pumped" and that's going to be major setpieces, action and revving you up for the good to come.

If you paused the vids in their limited time frame to be like "So yeah, here's some new RPG elements..." when they can launch into that over the next few days, it would be using up valuable time they need to get people pumped on day 1.

Please note I want to see all the upgraded RPG elements just as much as any other ME fan, but you writing them off just because day 1 of E3 didn't suddenly drop every single new RPG addition is, frankly, very sad.

We have more days of E3 to go and ME3 is going to be a very prominent showcase. If by the end of this week we don't have ANY new information about the new RPG elements, then I'll definitely be here going waving my "Bioware, give us a bone on the RPG stuff prz" flag too.

Edit: Chris said it before me! Honestly guys, come on - break down into major RPG elements for an unveiling vid in a limited timeslot with tons of other things going on? The fanbase for this game is becoming so damn spoiled and unreasonable it's sickening.

Modifié par crackseed, 06 juin 2011 - 09:39 .

[Walker White]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Role playing is dead in Bioware games. They're making action games now. Try to keep up.

This. I watched E3 just for this. 5 hours, and I was not impressed. This is nothing but a GoW wannabe. A sad one at that. 

The thing that really stood out for me at E3 today...  Just how boring the actual Gears of War 3 looked.  They had Ice-T playing the game and he looked positively bored. It drove home how much hyperbole flies about these forums.

[DebatableBubble]

Ugh. Chris, just lock this thread. It's going nowhere.

It's like complaining is the only thing people know how to do nowadays and before you say it, NO, I am NOT complaining about people who are complaining.

[Ixalmaris]

Chris Priestly wrote...

ink07 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm sorry, you are asking "where is the roleplaying" in the (roughly) 3 minutes of in-game video you have seen so far?

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously. We are asking where are the Roleplaying elements in the 4 live demos + online trailers you have shown. It's not like you couldn't release an "RPG elements" trailer/mini feature for sites covering the event.

Try to keep up.

I'm not questioning that you all want more info on RPG mechanics, choice, dialog, etc.

I am quesitoning the OP who seemed to be saying that since we had not shown any RPG elements yet, we must have abandoned RPG.

Glad to know I was totally off base with my silly supposition and it was more the usual demand for MOAR.

I fell for the "It has RPG elements, they are just not fit for the trailers/they are there, we just don't show them" once with DA2. If you want me as customer you now have to prove that you have learned and not succumbed to the "Awesome button for CoD kiddy" philosophy like the DA team.

[candidate88766]

crackseed wrote...

Polite, you type alot but all I see is someone being negative for the sake of being negative. People cry and scream about "Do not show too many spoilers!" - and most of the new RPG points aside from new mechanics/deeper skill trees, etc would probably verge on spoilers. However, RPG elements are generally not going to be showcased in the first day of E3 - the first day of E3 is always "Get people on their feet and pumped" and that's going to be major setpieces, action and revving you up for the good to come.

If you paused the vids in their limited time frame to be like "So yeah, here's some new RPG elements..." when they can launch into that over the next few days, it would be using up valuable time they need to get people pumped on day 1.

Please note I want to see all the upgraded RPG elements just as much as any other ME fan, but you writing them off just because day 1 of E3 didn't suddenly drop every single new RPG addition is, frankly, very sad.

We have more days of E3 to go and ME3 is going to be a very prominent showcase. If by the end of this week we don't have ANY new information about the new RPG elements, then I'll definitely be here going waving my "Bioware, give us a bone on the RPG stuff prz" flag too.

Pretty much this. Besides, in some of the demos Casey mentioned how they've been working on RPG features - like a more in-depth skill tree, but they can't really show that off in 3 minutes.

[Walker White]

Romantiq wrote...

They want to appeal to GoW fans like silly-no-brainer Solid N7 here. Simple as that.

Yes, because none of us who like ME2 and the direction of ME3 have been playing RPGs since the 70s.  Sigh.

[Ballz Noble]

Face it Mass Effect 3 is the future and your in the past. I am sure their is a lot we have yet to see.

[Ixalmaris]

candidate88766 wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Polite, you type alot but all I see is someone being negative for the sake of being negative. People cry and scream about "Do not show too many spoilers!" - and most of the new RPG points aside from new mechanics/deeper skill trees, etc would probably verge on spoilers. However, RPG elements are generally not going to be showcased in the first day of E3 - the first day of E3 is always "Get people on their feet and pumped" and that's going to be major setpieces, action and revving you up for the good to come.

If you paused the vids in their limited time frame to be like "So yeah, here's some new RPG elements..." when they can launch into that over the next few days, it would be using up valuable time they need to get people pumped on day 1.

Please note I want to see all the upgraded RPG elements just as much as any other ME fan, but you writing them off just because day 1 of E3 didn't suddenly drop every single new RPG addition is, frankly, very sad.

We have more days of E3 to go and ME3 is going to be a very prominent showcase. If by the end of this week we don't have ANY new information about the new RPG elements, then I'll definitely be here going waving my "Bioware, give us a bone on the RPG stuff prz" flag too.

Pretty much this. Besides, in some of the demos Casey mentioned how they've been working on RPG features - like a more in-depth skill tree, but they can't really show that off in 3 minutes.

Believing a developer is like believing a used car salesman.

[Walker White]

Ixalmaris wrote...

If you want me as customer you now have to prove that you have learned and not succumbed to the "Awesome button for CoD kiddy" philosophy like the DA team.

Then don't buy it.

[Anathemic]

crackseed wrote...

Polite, you type alot but all I see is someone being negative for the sake of being negative. People cry and scream about "Do not show too many spoilers!" - and most of the new RPG points aside from new mechanics/deeper skill trees, etc would probably verge on spoilers. However, RPG elements are generally not going to be showcased in the first day of E3 - the first day of E3 is always "Get people on their feet and pumped" and that's going to be major setpieces, action and revving you up for the good to come.

If you paused the vids in their limited time frame to be like "So yeah, here's some new RPG elements..." when they can launch into that over the next few days, it would be using up valuable time they need to get people pumped on day 1.

Please note I want to see all the upgraded RPG elements just as much as any other ME fan, but you writing them off just because day 1 of E3 didn't suddenly drop every single new RPG addition is, frankly, very sad.

We have more days of E3 to go and ME3 is going to be a very prominent showcase. If by the end of this week we don't have ANY new information about the new RPG elements, then I'll definitely be here going waving my "Bioware, give us a bone on the RPG stuff prz" flag too.

Edit: Chris said it before me! Honestly guys, come on - break down into major RPG elements for an unveiling vid in a limited timeslot with tons of other things going on? The fanbase for this game is becoming so damn spoiled and unreasonable it's sickening.

Hey buddy, rewind back 6 months and look at the info released for DA2, see the similarities to right now?

[Crackseed]

Oh, and just to add more fuel to my points - go watch ME1 trailers and any remaining media hype about it. Any of the opening trailers about ME1 are packing action, showing a few convos and basically getting you what....yes, hyped for the game. All the meaty details, mechanics, RPG points, etc for EVERY ME game and alot of Bioware's earlier ones always came later when they had time to sit and talk about what was under the hood of the game.

So honestly, either you're choosing to ignore these facts OR you just want to pitch a fit and act self-entitled. I realize I'm throwing some punches here when it's just opinions back and forth, but the atmosphere on these boards is so much more despondent then it should be because of all the unnecessary knee-jerking when people should let, you know, the full E3 play out before accusing Bioware of selling out.

[Il Divo]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Role playing is dead in Bioware games. They're making action games now. Try to keep up.

This. I watched E3 just for this. 5 hours, and I was not impressed. This is nothing but a GoW wannabe. A sad one at that. If I wanted a michael bay action shooter, I'd play GoW, made by a company who prides themselves on the ability to make those  types of games, not ME, made by a company that wants to be like Epic and forgot who they used to be. You guys at Bioware are seriously trying too hard. And don't say that out of 3 minutes we didn't see anything - there was much more than 3 minutes of footage shown from the earth reveal to the salarian planet, and all of it was shooter. Not just in gameplay, but dialogue wise. We no longer control shepard, he's become an already defined character. ME2 touched upon this with LoTSB and Arrival, but ME3 seems to be taking this to its maximum potential.

How can you deliver on your promise that each player will have a unique experience when 90% of the stuff shepard does/SAYS is automatic? Why have players invest based on this promise since the beginning of the series just to have their character taken over by the game in the second and third installments? You keep saying its a shooter RPG, but it isn't. Some people define roleplaying games by stats and customization, but what really separates roleplaying games is giving the player the ability to ROLE PLAY. And thats exactly what you've taken from us.

This game is pure shooter, with a few decisions sprinkled around here and there. That doesn't classify it as an RPG. Funny thing is that GoW3 was apparently trying to add RPG mechanics into their game, yet Bioware continues to strip them out. They've gotten so full of this "emotionally engaging cinematic experience" that they've taken players out of control of their characters and essentially made it an interactive film.

I was initially going to buy this just for the sake of finishing the trilogy, but why add to the misconception you guys have of this game being so great as it is by adding more money to your wallets?

My biggest problem is that you guys wont even admit it. You keep telling your core fans, the fans who made you who you are today mind you, that you're going to make the RPg features richer. Your one chance to show that you were people of your word after the abomination called DA2 was E3, and you appease the shooter fanboys who love the explosions and cartwheels and the grenades. I'm calling you guys out on your statement that RPG elements would be improved upon.

Personally, as someone who's countlessly defended this company in the beginning, and been with them since their glory days, I find this insulting as a core fan. This is how you treat your original audience? Sidelining us for the big bucks? As long as theres more lettuce in your pockets, I suppose you'll be sleeping like a baby.

-Polite

Dear Polite,

I am looking forward to the delicious, delicious taste of your tears and melodrama over the coming months.

Your friend,
                     Il Divo

Modifié par Il Divo, 06 juin 2011 - 09:43 .

[tonnactus]

Who needs roleplaying when we have "derrick vehicle combat" like in Gears of War...

Modifié par tonnactus, 06 juin 2011 - 09:44 .

[javierabegazo]

PoliteAssassin,
You've let me down, I thought you were one of the reasonable folk. Your post is so full of hyperbole.

[aridor1570]

Anathemic wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Polite, you type alot but all I see is someone being negative for the sake of being negative. People cry and scream about "Do not show too many spoilers!" - and most of the new RPG points aside from new mechanics/deeper skill trees, etc would probably verge on spoilers. However, RPG elements are generally not going to be showcased in the first day of E3 - the first day of E3 is always "Get people on their feet and pumped" and that's going to be major setpieces, action and revving you up for the good to come.

If you paused the vids in their limited time frame to be like "So yeah, here's some new RPG elements..." when they can launch into that over the next few days, it would be using up valuable time they need to get people pumped on day 1.

Please note I want to see all the upgraded RPG elements just as much as any other ME fan, but you writing them off just because day 1 of E3 didn't suddenly drop every single new RPG addition is, frankly, very sad.

We have more days of E3 to go and ME3 is going to be a very prominent showcase. If by the end of this week we don't have ANY new information about the new RPG elements, then I'll definitely be here going waving my "Bioware, give us a bone on the RPG stuff prz" flag too.

Edit: Chris said it before me! Honestly guys, come on - break down into major RPG elements for an unveiling vid in a limited timeslot with tons of other things going on? The fanbase for this game is becoming so damn spoiled and unreasonable it's sickening.

Hey buddy, rewind back 6 months and look at the info released for DA2, see the similarities to right now?

What similarities? Oh, that you mean both the DA team and ME team are in bioware? Yeah, I see them.

[Crackseed]

Anathemic wrote...

Hey buddy, rewind back 6 months and look at the info released for DA2, see the similarities to right now?

What similarities? Would you show me where DA2 was promised with "richer" RPG elements versus them obviously taking it in a different direction? I have seen very little DA2 talk leading up to it's release that was "We've added so much more RPG features!" as much as DA2 was "We've streamlined and changed the convo system, etc" which ended up being why it's such a divisive title.

So don't hey buddy me. Hey buddy yourself I do my research AND I also take the time to read everything, ask questions and generally wait till I see the full breakdown before I start crying on the forums about Bioware betraying my trust as an RPG gamer.

DA2 versus ME3 campaign? Not the same sorry. And for the record, while I enjoyed DA2, I felt like it did fail to deliver in a couple of ways that DA: Origins established, but I never once believed with DA2 I was getting the same thing as Origins, since you know, it wasn't advertised the same way nor were "Deeper RPG elements" ever promised as much as changes to said mechanics.

Edit: And honestly, ANYONE paying attention to all the hands on previews, the demo and vids leading up to DA2's release had a good idea of where DA2 was going so let's not try to use DA2 to pretend ME3 is going to bomb or that Bioware has "forsaken" gamers as much as you have some lofty, unattainable notions of the perfect RPG in your mind that you want to impose on your fellow gamers.

Modifié par crackseed, 06 juin 2011 - 09:50 .

[jakal66]

I don't know...I get that they want to have us feel the "BIG WAR" thing but the ME universe isn't (for me) about the big things it's about the little moments where you really feel you are Sheppard and you're fighting against all odds making friends and enemies, relationships of all levels and above all choices...those little moments for me were more important that big scenes...I just don't want a full rail shooter, I want tactics, and some real RPG elements to have real immersion in the sotry...I know this is too soon to judge, we have seen very little but we need to see those little special moments that made ME what it is...of course without spoiling much, I know it's har but I feel they can pull it off.

For me right now this game has 50/50 chances to be a total success or a major letdown...I believe the first will be the case and we'll all be blown out by the game but there's a part of me which worries about this game falling in the GOW river of bland shooters...all I want is Mass Effect 3 to be just that ....Mass effect...not something else

[Anathemic]

aridor1570 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Polite, you type alot but all I see is someone being negative for the sake of being negative. People cry and scream about "Do not show too many spoilers!" - and most of the new RPG points aside from new mechanics/deeper skill trees, etc would probably verge on spoilers. However, RPG elements are generally not going to be showcased in the first day of E3 - the first day of E3 is always "Get people on their feet and pumped" and that's going to be major setpieces, action and revving you up for the good to come.

If you paused the vids in their limited time frame to be like "So yeah, here's some new RPG elements..." when they can launch into that over the next few days, it would be using up valuable time they need to get people pumped on day 1.

Please note I want to see all the upgraded RPG elements just as much as any other ME fan, but you writing them off just because day 1 of E3 didn't suddenly drop every single new RPG addition is, frankly, very sad.

We have more days of E3 to go and ME3 is going to be a very prominent showcase. If by the end of this week we don't have ANY new information about the new RPG elements, then I'll definitely be here going waving my "Bioware, give us a bone on the RPG stuff prz" flag too.

Edit: Chris said it before me! Honestly guys, come on - break down into major RPG elements for an unveiling vid in a limited timeslot with tons of other things going on? The fanbase for this game is becoming so damn spoiled and unreasonable it's sickening.

Hey buddy, rewind back 6 months and look at the info released for DA2, see the similarities to right now?

What similarities? Oh, that you mean both the DA team and ME team are in bioware? Yeah, I see them.

Uh-huh, but in all seriousness you can't blame people for being cautious coming bakc from DA2.

Modifié par Anathemic, 06 juin 2011 - 09:47 .