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[neubourn]

 Ill admit, after hearing the conformation that ME3 will function with Kinect, i thought it was gimmicky and pointless. But after seeing the in game usage of it, especially being able to issue squad commands vocally, i think it might actually be a good combo. 

[Khayness]

You can do that in 0,1 secs using the usual methods.

When your life hangs in the balance, you don't want to waste time.

[neubourn]

Khayness wrote...

You can do that in 0,1 secs using the usual methods.

When your life hangs in the balance, you don't want to waste time.

True, you can..but involves pausing the game to issue orders, whereas this is in-game, making it more immersive (which is what ME is known for to begin with).

I dunno, im just saying, that the gameplay demo at E3 changed my mind on it. I thought it was going to be a gimmick like Forza 4's use of it (steering with your hand movements while the game controls your pedals). I think it has potential if its limited to voice commands and dialogue.

[Sirsmirkalot]

When the **** hits the fan, in other games with voice recognition (e.g. Hawx) you quickly go back to the buttons instead of starting to spout out whole sentences or a simple word like "fire". Nothing more than a gimmick if you ask me.

Modifié par Sirsmirkalot, 06 juin 2011 - 09:06 .

[GraciousCat]

I have to say, it is better implemented than I thought it would be.

[Mordaedil]

Damn, I already made a thread about this >

[hansamurai]

Gimmicky, but most of the Kinect features would work with any old mic, including the headset included with the 360. Not buying Kinect just for this.

[Anathemic]

You know why ME 3 was delayed? For Kinect support...

[JasonPogo]

Wow yay! Shepard might not say whats on the wheel but now I can! Way to go Bioware....

[the_one_54321]

Paraphrasing is bad. Making us say the paraphrase just brings this imperfection right to center stage.

[Aztag09]

To me, it seems like doing it actually gives the feeling that it's your choices and decisions, putting your voice behind your Shepard.

[Acet]

I think it's pointless to say what Shepard is thinking aloud. However giving squadies commands is great.

[neubourn]

Anathemic wrote...

You know why ME 3 was delayed? For Kinect support...

You know this for a fact? or are you just speculating?

Becaus ei would guess it was delayed so it wouldnt be competing with all of the other Holiday games releasing, and their are a BUNCH this year. Plenty of games have been either pushed back (ME3) or forward (Forza 4, BF3) so to avoid the holiday competition. MW3 will be the main reason, but for RPGs, you also got Skyrim releasing in November.

[Khayness]

neubourn wrote...

True, you can..but involves pausing the game to issue orders, whereas this is in-game, making it more immersive (which is what ME is known for to begin with).

I don't know about the X-Box, but I can spam Q and E helluva fast and you can map the squad powers to hotkeys.

It would make it immersive for me if I hear Shepard saying those commands.

Modifié par Khayness, 06 juin 2011 - 09:23 .

[Walker White]

hansamurai wrote...

Gimmicky, but most of the Kinect features would work with any old mic, including the headset included with the 360. Not buying Kinect just for this.

Parsing voice is a major CPU hog.  We aren't talking some primitive voice recognition of a handful of preset commands.  We are talking recognition of every single paraphrased line of dialogue.  Doing this outside of the Kinect API on the X-Box would likely be a significant hit to the CPU and adversely affect frame rate.

[Walker White]

Khayness wrote...

neubourn wrote...

True, you can..but involves pausing the game to issue orders, whereas this is in-game, making it more immersive (which is what ME is known for to begin with).

I don't know about the X-Box, but I can spam Q and E helluva fast and you can map the squad powers to hotkeys.

You can only map one power per squad member to a hotkey on an X-Box.  This allows you to use every single power of every single squadmate.

[Chaos-fusion]

Nothing that a microphone couldn't do. No interest to me anyway, normal controls are faster.

Giving squad members commands? Yeah, kinda useful potentially, but ME2 usually was best if I did that in a small time-frame - too small to get in their name, and action spoken.

Interesting to anyone who has Kinect, I guess.

[fluffyamoeba]

Walker White wrote...

hansamurai wrote...

Gimmicky, but most of the Kinect features would work with any old mic, including the headset included with the 360. Not buying Kinect just for this.

Parsing voice is a major CPU hog.  We aren't talking some primitive voice recognition of a handful of preset commands.  We are talking recognition of every single paraphrased line of dialogue.  Doing this outside of the Kinect API on the X-Box would likely be a significant hit to the CPU and adversely affect frame rate.

Not at the same time though. The wheel has, what, 6 lines maximum to pick from at once.

[Kabanya101]

I'm just glad that there not getting rid of the controller. Voice commands I can deal with, cause I can simply turn it off, not shooting and reloading a gun with no controller would be a pain in the ass.

[Parhell]

The first words out of my mouth when I heard the good doctor say ME3 is using the kinect I said "NO"... but I can see the usefulness of the voice commands. In ME2 on 360 and on insanity I find it very frustrating to try and order my party to go to position and then target the enemy that was in range with a power that is useless against them. Not to sure on the speech stuff... but I will wait to see what else they got to show before I decide to get a kinect... So, interested but will probably pass on that option.

[Massefeckt]

JasonPogo wrote...

Wow yay! Shepard might not say whats on the wheel but now I can! Way to go Bioware....

Yeah but you'll have to say it slowly, then repeat it, then say it again slowly word by word, then the game will issue the wrong order, thats if my Kinnect experience is anything to go by.

I guess Bioware arent even pretending to care anymore, they've just started holding up big signs saying "WE SOLD OUR SOULS!"

[Kappa Neko]

Seriously?
Why would I want to say out loud what I can read on the dialogue wheel, only to have Shepard say something related (or not) in a totally different voice?!?
Am I the only one who thinks this is a total immersion KILLER ???
It's like I'm doing a crappy dubbing job for my favorite tv show!
If Shepard was a silent hero like in DAO and the only time (s)he "speaks" is when you say something, that would help immersion, yes.
But this way?
Sorry, but this is really stupid, BioWare!

When it comes to issuing commands, I can see the appeal, though.
It's still an immersion killer because Shepard still has his/her own voice, but it's not as redundant as saying out loud what you just read....
But as has been said before, you'll quickly tire of issuing commands every second during combat.

Well, I don't have Kinect and ME3 sure won't convince me to get it. But I'm pretty sure it's the kind of gimmick a lot of people will want to try out (like the 3DS), so congratulations BW.

[Mordaedil]

Cross posting:

Hello Bioware, congratulations with your presentation on E3 this year.

It was a true sight to behold and there's a few things that bug me about it, but I don't intend to flame. Okay, so yeah, I didn't like Mass Effect 1 or 2. I didn't like Dragon Age 2 from the looks of it and probably won't play it. I might buy Mass Effect 3, just as I did ME2 though. But playing it might come when I feel more in the mood for them.

The thing is. There's this thing you were really good at with your games. Best in the industry, next to Obsidian Entertainment. It was called 'role-playing'. Okay, yeah sure, you say. Role-playing is still a part of our series really, just look at these choices and consequences.

But that's not my problem. My problem is that Shephard, for all the glammer and changes I can make to his face, is not my character. He is Bioware's character. I can accept that. Other games do that and get away with it easily.

The culprit is the dialog options to voice-clips actually stated. They are written as sentences some of the time, but what happens is that Shephard states it in a completely different tone. Okay, this doesn't hurt ME1 or ME2 much.

But here's why I feel this needs a thread. Kinect in ME3 will allow you, the player, to speak Shephards lines. This is a HUUUUGE inovation for gaming. Problem is, Shephard is your speaker. You say the line written for you. Shephard says something else. Why?

Why not have the dialog option be at least part of what Shephard says? In your E3 demo, it made it look like Shephard was disagreeing with the player all the time.

Come on, why is this terrible design decision there? This is awful. I don't own an X-box 360 with Kinect, but I might buy a Kinect made for Windows 7 when it releases. And if that works with PC version of Mass Effect 3, guess what. I'm not using it. I'll probably never play it, but what the hell.

This is what we call an immersion breaker.

[Fidget6]

 I'd feel too silly using it for dialogue. Especially the romance scenes. It's an..... interesting touch though.