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[GreedIgnored]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Vega - or at least his haircut - reminds me of Soap McTavish in his MW2 rendition.

I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Soap looks better than him though.

[PinkDiamondstl]

[quote]Medhia Nox wrote...

I think the Renegade options should be removed... I don't play that way - so nobody else should be allowed to play that way. My logic is sound and I am not at all ignorant. [









Oh ok you can stop that now..........
Smarta***

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 10 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[TheBlackBaron]

GreedIgnored wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Vega - or at least his haircut - reminds me of Soap McTavish in his MW2 rendition.

I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Soap looks better than him though.

Yeah, I'd have to agree.

[GreedIgnored]

@Pink: NO SWEARING FISH!
@Black: I don't get why most some characters in Mass Effect with importance look dumb and ones that appear within the first 10 minutes look amazing.

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...
Say what you want about them, but there were a large number of them. I somehow doubt many of them were asking for a gay Garrus or lesbian Tali either. I'd rather see every scrap of resource go towards making ME3 a better game rather than politically correct pandering so some Bioware exec can say some "oh look at us, we're so progressive" BS. Animations, dialogue, it all adds up.

They're not making politically correct pandering to some Bioware exec but a content for players to use and many will use it. 33% wants any romance option possible. They don't make this game just for you. You don't use all the content they've made anyway, unless you've completed both games as male and femshep, selected every possible dialogue choice, played as every class and tried every single romance option and everything else. Not to mention armors, appearance and all the jazz. They're making so much content to allow the players to play as they want. The content you don't use someone else will. This content is part of making the game great. Don't wish to have less content created because one day YOU may happen to find yourself in some group the content wasn't created for (make it be a class, romance, dialogue options, anything) because the devs listened to complaints 'but I won't use that!' like yours.

ReconTeam wrote...
Don't know how you make that leap. If Vega isn't the gay character, its probably going to be an existing character rewritten, which is even worse.

What rewritting? None of the guys stated anything about their orientation.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 juin 2011 - 05:22 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Medhia Nox wrote...
I think the Renegade options should be
removed... I don't play that way - so nobody else should be allowed to
play that way. My logic is sound and I am not at all ignorant.

Yeah because clearly being able to play as a gay character is an integral part of the Mass Effect experience. I simply don't believe this small percentage of gay bplayers are entitled to gay romances.  It hurts the quality of experience for other players, just so Bioware appears ultra politically correct and "supportive" to media rags. See DA2.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 10 juin 2011 - 05:37 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

[quote]PinkDiamondstl wrote...

[quote]Medhia Nox wrote...

I think the Renegade options should be removed... I don't play that way - so nobody else should be allowed to play that way. My logic is sound and I am not at all ignorant. [quote]









Oh ok you can stop that now..........
Smarta***

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 10 juin 2011 - 05:25 .

[Aimi]

ReconTeam wrote...

Yeah
because clearly being able to play as a gay character is an integral
part of the Mass Effect experience. I simply don't believe this small percentage of gay
players are entitled to gay romances.  It hurts the quality of experience for other players, just so Bioware appears ultra politically correct and "supportive" to media rags. See DA2.

How does it hurt the quality of the experience?

[Massadonious1]

Not that I mind the inclusion of such a romance or addtional options in general, but just to play Devil's Advocate, I'm pretty sure the "males" of the series made their orientation known when they slept with or were willing to sleep with a woman.

And as popular as the whole "bi-sexual" thing is nowadays, it really isn't as common as people would like to believe.

[GreedIgnored]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Not that I mind the inclusion of such a romance or addtional options in general, but just to play Devil's Advocate, I'm pretty sure the "males" of the series made their orientation known when they slept with or were willing to sleep with a woman.

And as popular as the whole "bi-sexual" thing is nowadays, it really isn't as common as people would like to believe.

It's just people like to think that being straight or limited to male or female means that person is exclusive to their Shepard.

[Inquisitor Recon]

IsaacShep wrote...
They're not making politically correct pandering to some Bioware exec but a content for players to use and many will use it. 33% wants any romance option possible. They don't make this game just for you. You don't use all the content they've made anyway, unless you've completed both games as male and femshep, selected every possible dialogue choice, played as every class and tried every single romance option and everything else. Not to mention armors, appearance and all the jazz. They're making so much content to allow the players to play as they want. The content you don't use someone else will. This content is part of making the game great. Don't wish to have less content created because one day YOU may happen to find yourself in some group the content wasn't created for (make it be a class, romance, dialogue options, anything) because the devs listened to complaints 'but I won't use that!' like yours.

Many will use it? A poll of some 300 people doesn't reflect the majority of players, or mean those who voted for that option weren't just being "supportive". Yes they don't just make this game for me, and I haven't experienced all of the content. However they should make the best game possible for most players and not add stuff like this in some effort to pander to some small minority of players. No other developer wastes their time with such pointless examples of political stupidity correctness. For the vast majority of players the LIs aren't even an integral part of the game, if some gay player is upset by the lack of gay LIs, what can I say other than get over it? They should spend the effort that has gone into this "cause" on making a game that will be remembered for a long time to come. Six years from now nobody will remember ME3 based on "you could be gay."

IsaacShep wrote...
What rewritting? None of the guys stated anything about their orientation.

I don't want some repeat of the DA2 scenario, especially when nothing has ever suggested said pre-existing characters are gay or bisexual in the last two games.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 10 juin 2011 - 05:37 .

[Dapper Pomegranate]

IsaacShep wrote...

FrozenFire42 wrote...

He later tweeted saying that was an oversimplification of an answer he gave months ago. Or something like that. I don't remember specifics, but I think he basically pseudo-confirmed that Vega was gay and Kaidan was not. Either way though, KaidanxManshep ftw.

But then he basically pseudo-confirmed some previous LIs will be now available for s/s option. Here and especially here

Neat, I totally missed those ones. Interesting if true!

[PinkDiamondstl]

What?! They would't dare.....
Who are they trying to please? What about the normal fans?
What about the non bi fans?

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 10 juin 2011 - 05:56 .

[Ryzaki]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

What?! They would't dare.....
Who are they trying to please? What about the normal fans?

 

"normal"? 

Wow. How non offensive. 

[Dapper Pomegranate]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

What?! They would't dare.....
Who are they trying to please? What about the normal fans?
What about the non bi fans?

Well, that's much less offensive.
They're trying to please the "abnormal" fans, as you'd call us. Figured that was obvious.

Modifié par FrozenFire42, 10 juin 2011 - 06:10 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

FrozenFire42 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

What?! They would't dare.....
Who are they trying to please? What about the normal fans?
What about the non bi fans?

Well, that's much less offensive.
They're trying to please the "abnormal" fans, as you'd call them. Figured that was obvious.

 I'm sorry I'm not very good at this.

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 10 juin 2011 - 06:11 .

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...
Many will use it? A poll of some 300 people doesn't reflect the majority of players, or mean those who voted for that option weren't just being "supportive".

Wanna try other poll? Ok. 1945 votes. Looks like this time you're in minority. Quite ironic isn't it? Even if they're just 'supportive', it still means they don't mind s/s romances. Why would they, they won't use it, doesn't bother them at all. Just like it doesn't bother them there's Shepard of other gender available to play even though they won't. Or other classes. Renegade/Paragon route they won't take etc.

ReconTeam wrote...
No other developer wastes their time with such pointless examples of political stupidity correctness.

Except for Rockstar (Bully), Black Isle (Fallout), Lionhead (Fable) or Maxis (The Sims) and  their multi-million selling franchises.

ReconTeam wrote...
I don't want some repeat of the DA2 scenario, especially when nothing has ever suggested said pre-existing characters are gay or bisexual in the last two games.

Nothing ever suggested Tali was into Shepard, yet her romance was well put into ME2 and everyone was happy. You won't use that content anyway so where's the problem?

[Dapper Pomegranate]

ReconTeam wrote...

No other developer wastes their time with such pointless examples of political stupidity correctness.

I'm sorry, I just have to ask, what makes this pointless? It entertains and pleases a portion of the players. If entertainment isn't a good enough reason to do something, why should games even exist? Why do you play them?

Modifié par FrozenFire42, 10 juin 2011 - 06:41 .

[SkittlesKat96]

As always people will rip new characters to shreds...it happened with ME 2 and Dragon Age 2 as well lol. Although I admit James Vega looks a little odd, hard to tell with the quality of the picture.
I'm hoping for at least one or two more new squad mates, then the last one or two be ones from ME 2. (so it will be James Vega, Garrus, Tali, Liara, Ashley or Kaiden, a new squad mate or two, and maybe one or two characters from ME 2.)

Not that we know how many squad mates there will be though, but eight sounds like a reasonable amount to me.

Jeez, they better not make every single character in the game bisexual...its just silly and doesn't portray the character very well, also imo people can't just decide what sexuality they want to be. Besides that though I'm okay with there being same sex romances. Just I don't want them doing the DA 2 way of things.

[Inquisitor Recon]

IsaacShep wrote...
Wanna try other poll? Ok. 1945 votes. Looks like this time you're in minority. Quite ironic isn't it? Even if they're just 'supportive', it still means they don't mind s/s romances. Why would they, they won't use it, doesn't bother them at all. Just like it doesn't bother them there's Shepard of other gender available to play even though they won't. Or other classes. Renegade/Paragon route they won't take etc.

The same still applies to this poll. That number is far from the majority of players and the fact that they're "supportive" doesn't justify the resources being diverted to this cause. Your average player, somebody who doesn't bother with the forums, would rather have another mission or something.

IsaacShep...
Except for Rockstar (Bully), Black Isle (Fallout), Lionhead (Fable) or Maxis (The Sims) and  their multi-million selling franchises.

Seems I was mistaken. Yet how many of these games had anything more than some basic dialogue options, fade to black, etc? That shovelware known as The Sims isn't comparable either.

IsaacShep wrote...
Nothing ever suggested Tali was into Shepard, yet her romance was well put into ME2 and everyone was happy. You won't use that content anyway so where's the problem?

My problem is that you represent a much smaller number of players than the Tali or Garrus fans. Yet now some gay character is gets thrown into the team in place of somebody else. Does the Normandy need a quota next? It is also all development resources that could be used on a cause a far greater number of players would enjoy. I haven't appreciated the attitude and sense of entitlement of those who demanded this content for the last several years either.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 10 juin 2011 - 07:13 .

[PinkDiamondstl]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

As always people will rip new characters to shreds...it happened with ME 2 and Dragon Age 2 as well lol. Although I admit James Vega looks a little odd, hard to tell with the quality of the picture.
I'm hoping for at least one or two more new squad mates, then the last one or two be ones from ME 2. (so it will be James Vega, Garrus, Tali, Liara, Ashley or Kaiden, a new squad mate or two, and maybe one or two characters from ME 2.)

Not that we know how many squad mates there will be though, but eight sounds like a reasonable amount to me.

Jeez, they better not make every single character in the game bisexual...its just silly and doesn't portray the character very well, also imo people can't just decide what sexuality they want to be. Besides that though I'm okay with there being same sex romances. Just I don't want them doing the DA 2 way of things.

One you're  signature is hilarious, two it's not the quality of the picture he's ugly .
The last why the need to push this sexuality thing .

[Inquisitor Recon]

FrozenFire42 wrote...
I'm sorry, I just have to ask, what makes this pointless? It entertains and pleases a portion of the players. If entertainment isn't a good enough reason to do something, why should games even exist? Why do you play them?

It's pointless because it is more politically correct feel-good BS made so a bunch of elitist journalist fools will give Bioware some applause. You represent a small portion of players and you honestly don't warrent extra attention and special treatment. I have little doubt the David Gaider types among Bioware will be flaunting this feature to certain gaming journalist rags, instead of trying to create a game that will be remembered.

There was a comic, courtesy of our Russian comrades, that summed up my feelings about DA2. I know we are talking about different development teams, but I am concerned we may see something similar.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 10 juin 2011 - 07:23 .

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...
The same still applies to this poll. That number is far from the majority of players and the fact that they're "supportive" doesn't justify the resources being diverted to this cause. Your average player, somebody who doesn't bother with the forums, would rather have another mission or something.

Yes it does. If they're supportive, means they don't mind resources being diverted to this content. Quite simple. Also, I'm giving you actual data of some sort. Polls with thousands of participants. At 2000, it is a very representative poll. The only thing you bring are your claims.

ReconTeam wrote...
Seems I was mistaken. Yet how many of these games had anything more than some basic dialogue options, fade to black, etc? That shovelware known as The Sims isn't comparable either.

Some more, some less. Let's not pretend the romances in ME suddenly contain thousands of dialogues and custom cutscenes. They don't and everybody knows it. As for The Sims being shovelware, the games are not only acclaimed but also the most popular game franchise in history. It may not be our taste, but it doesn't fit any part of shovelware definiton.

ReconTeam wrote...
My problem is that you represent a much smaller number of players than the Tali or Garrus fans. Yet now some gay character is gets thrown into the team in place of somebody else. Does the Normandy need a quota next? It is also all development resources that could be used on a cause a far greater number of players would enjoy. I haven't appreciated the attitude and sense of entitlement of those who demanded this content for the last several years either.

And your problem is that you represent a much smaller number of people who have something against s/s romances. Quite simple. And WTH with "gay character gets throw in place of someone else?". The gay character (IF there's any gay character) was written there and there wasn't anyone he/she replaced. There would be new squad members in ME3 whether there were bi/gay or not. And I don't appreciate your attitude and how you think you're entitled to more content at the expense of others because you happen to fall into the majority (in this particular case of course). Once again, you may be a majority in this case, but not in another. Everyone falls into some kind of minority, be it sex (as great majority of people play ManSheps), race, choice of LI, class, Paragon/Renegade, favourite squad members, favourite weapons, armors etc. If they start creating the content based solely on the popularity contest, sooner or later you'll find yourself in the same position.

ReconTeam wrote...
It's pointless because it is more politically correct feel-good BS made so a bunch of elitist journalist fools will give Bioware some applause. You represent a small portion of players andyou honestly don't warrent extra attention and special treatment. I have little doubt the David Gaider types among Bioware will be flaunting this feature to certain gaming journalist rags, instead of trying to create a game that will be remembered.

And who's talking about extra attention or special treatement? Having s/s LIs is not extra attention or special treatement, it's the same thing straight players have. Actually in fact it's much less as it's granted there won't be anywhere near as many s/s-open LIs as the opposite-sex ones.

ReconTeam wrote...
There was a comic, courtesy of our Russian comrades, that summed up my feelings about DA2. I know we are talking about different development teams, but I am concerned we may see something similar.

And? Why does it bother you in a bit? It's just another very small content you won't use like tons of other you already don't use. Does the growing number of female gamers also bother you because it means developers create more content in "your" "manly" games for them?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 juin 2011 - 07:49 .

[Dapper Pomegranate]

ReconTeam wrote...

It's pointless because it is more politically correct feel-good BS made so a bunch of elitist journalist fools will give Bioware some applause.

Maybe, or maybe the truth of the matter is that the ME writers enjoy inclusiveness. Or maybe one of the writers wants to explore a gay soldier in the 2180s. Neither of us know, so all we can do is make assumptions that support our causes.

You represent a small portion of players and you honestly don't warrent extra attention and special treatment.

Granted, we are a small portion, and we probably don't warrant extra attention, but does that mean we don't warrant any attention? Does my being gay mean I should never be allowed to have a video game character I can relate to?

I have little doubt the David Gaider types among Bioware will be flaunting this feature to certain gaming journalist rags

Probably, but what you call flaunting, perhaps I'll call revelling in. If a strong supporter of gay rights gets the opportunity to add gay content to a game, are they not allowed to be pleased or excited? And yes, I'm aware of how political I made that sound. Not intentional.

Modifié par FrozenFire42, 10 juin 2011 - 07:48 .

[Ryzaki]

Can we *not* pollute a discussion thread about a CHARACTER with the circle ****** of s/s romances that'll end up with this thread being closed?