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[Vena_86]

If I want the big brute sort I'll go with a Krogan and not with this Butch guy. I really hope that will be the DLC character (if EA insists on breaking the game down into DLC AGAIN!). Don't like this design at all, unclear or not. It looks like the sort of "lets get the GoW fans too" character, rather than a real Mass Effect design.

[Massadonious1]

To be fair, the only reason a Kaidan/Ashley S/S romance is even going to be possible is a simple question a Shepard of the same sex couldn't ask either of them. If you got to know someone that well in real life, I'm sure something would of come up about their sexuality eventually, which makes it even more of a cop out (again, I'm not against it, I'm just posing the question for questions sake) that they will suddenly remember that they're physically attracted to you, as if a second Reaper invasion was somehow a more appropriate time.

I suppose it's true that you can say the same thing occurred with Tali, but the signs where there. You saved her life, you gave her a purpose and ultimately helped her complete her pilgrimage. As much crap as people give her for being a walking codex in ME1, I could safely say that she probably appreciated you listening to her ramble on about Quarian society and whatnot. Isn't that what women like, anyway? Someone who listens?

[Inquisitor Recon]

IsaacShep wrote...
Yes it does. If they're supportive, means they don't mind resources being diverted to this content. Quite simple. Also, I'm giving you actual data of some sort. Polls with thousands of participants. At 2000, it is a very representative poll. The only thing you bring are your claims.

Really? Do they know how much work is involved? Would they feel the same way if they could get content they could enjoy instead? How much of it is society based 'do everything not to offend somebody' sort of thinking? Some 2000 people on the official forum is not a representitive poll of a series that has sold millions of copies.

Some more, some less. Let's not pretend the romances in ME suddenly contain thousands of dialogues and custom cutscenes. They don't and everybody knows it. As for The Sims being shovelware, the games are not only acclaimed but also the most popular game franchise in history. It may not be our taste, but it doesn't fit any part of shovelware definiton.

Oh they aren't but I'm sure you expect animations and everything the other LIs get too. More work than a Fable-like fade to black. Also, the term shovelware doesn't mean something can't be popular. A lot of utter garbage people enjoy IRL is shovelware.

And your problem is that you represent a much smaller number of people who have something against s/s romances. Quite simple. And WTH with "gay character gets throw in place of someone else?". The gay character (IF there's any gay character) was written there and there wasn't anyone he/she replaced. There would be new squad members in ME3 whether there were bi/gay or not. And I don't appreciate your attitude and how you think you're entitled to more content at the expense of others because you happen to fall into the majority (in this particular case of course). Once again, you may be a majority in this case, but not in another. Everyone falls into some kind of minority, be it sex (as great majority of people play ManSheps), race, choice of LI, class, Paragon/Renegade, favourite squad members, favourite weapons, armors etc. If they start creating the content based solely on the popularity contest, sooner or later you'll find yourself in the same position.

Again these forums don't represent the majority of the games players. This Vega seems more like a fan-service based generic new guy to me. Why not a return of Jacob, or a new guy who happens to be straight? Now I'm not the one expecting special treatment, nor have I based on any minority that I happen to fall into. I see the LIs as what they are, a minor "extra" feature, not a core component of the game. Yet you think Bioware has some obligation to add some gay LIs because some gay people happen to play the game too? Should people start demanding LIs of a specific ethnity next? It's absurd.

And who's talking about extra attention or special treatement? Having s/s LIs is not extra attention or special treatement, it's the same thing straight players have. Actually in fact it's much less as it's granted there won't be anywhere near as many s/s-open LIs as the opposite-sex ones.

It is special attention and treatment. You already have access to the same thing straight players have, no part of the game is being restricted to you because you're gay. You are asking for additional content based on what you like to sleep with. Lets not pretend anything different here. Also the majority of the human population is straight, so you shouldn't expect the same number of LIs anyway.

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And? Why does it bother you in a bit? It's just another content you won't use like tons of other you already don't use.

Why does it bother me? A number of reasons. I think DA2 rather sucked and that this was a contributing factor, I don't like seeing this pandering, this hasn't done anything to decrease the obnoxious behavior of some of your supporters, and I don't appreciate trained soldiers/mercs/whatever hitting on their officer of the same gender.

[Inquisitor Recon]

FrozenFire42 wrote...
Maybe, or maybe the truth of the matter is that the ME writers enjoy inclusiveness. Or maybe one of the writers wants to explore a gay soldier in the 2180s. Neither of us know, so all we can do is make assumptions that support our causes.

Inclusiveness? People are looking for a good game, not pointless RL political/social debate. If that said writer is gay, whatever, but he shouldn't be "gaying up" (as a Youtube commenter once said) their games because of it.

Granted, we are a small portion, and we probably don't warrant extra attention, but does that mean we don't warrant any attention? Does my being gay mean I should never be allowed to have a video game character I can relate to?

You warrent no more attention than the rest of us. You already have access to a great game, and I'm not really pitying you if you can't "relate" to a straight Shepard. If the developers can make ME3 a greater experience as a whole, at the cost of gay romances, they should do that. If you can't enjoy the game without being able to RP a gay Shepard, that's unfortunate, but shouldn't be their problem.

Probably, but what you call flaunting, perhaps I'll call revelling in. If a strong supporter of gay rights gets the opportunity to add gay content to a game, are they not allowed to be pleased or excited? And yes, I'm aware of how political I made that sound. Not intentional.

Reveling in mediocrity because of pushing some false causes or social agenda? That's not what I want to see in any game developer. If they want to support some noble cause, they should donate to some charity and not spend $2 on advertising it for ever $1 they donate.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 10 juin 2011 - 08:17 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

@ReconTeam: Going by your logic:

ReconTeam wrote...

Inclusiveness? People are looking for a good game, not pointless RL political/social debate. If that said writer is female, whatever, but she shouldn't be "girling up" (as a Youtube commenter once said) their games because of it.

You warrent no more attention than the rest of us. You already have access to a great game, and I'm not really pitying you if you can't "relate" to a female Shepard. If the developers can make ME3 a greater experience as a whole, at the cost of female Shep romances, they should do that. If you can't enjoy the game without being able to RP a female Shepard, that's unfortunate, but shouldn't be their problem.

Reveling in mediocrity because of pushing some false causes or social agenda? That's not what I want to see in any game developer. If they want to support some noble cause, they should donate to some charity and not spend $2 on advertising it for ever $1 they donate.

Cool story bro.

Now imagine if FemShep was canon, you could easily replace every reference from female to male.

Now in my opinion, there are problems in the execution of LIs, but the mere existance of homosexual and/or bisexual LIs, is not one of them.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 10 juin 2011 - 09:02 .

[Dapper Pomegranate]

ReconTeam wrote...
Inclusiveness? People are looking for a good game, not pointless RL political/social debate. If that said writer is gay, whatever, but he shouldn't be "gaying up" (as a Youtube commenter once said) their games because of it.

You'll note I never actually said anything about a political or social debate...In fact, I was specifically providing alternatives to your idea that adding s/s content is a political statement. The way you're talking, you make it seem as if an inclusive game and a good game are mutually exclusive...

You warrent no more attention than the rest of us. You already have access to a great game, and I'm not really pitying you if you can't "relate" to a straight Shepard. If the developers can make ME3 a greater experience as a whole, at the cost of gay romances, they should do that. If you can't enjoy the game without being able to RP a gay Shepard, that's unfortunate, but shouldn't be their problem.

You'll note I never actually said that we warrant more attention than the rest of you. I'll admit, I should have taken out the "probably" in that sentence, but I felt the point was clear. And I'm quite glad you don't "pity me," I certainly wouldn't pity you for not being able to relate to a gay Shepard. Nor would I expect you to be able to, as you yourself are not gay. I'd like to point out that I do enjoy ME, it would simply be that much greater of an experience if I could RP a gay Shepard. And you're right, it is unfortunate, but it isn't their problem. If they decide to provide me the opportunity to RP the character I want though, how does it become your problem?

Reveling in mediocrity because of pushing some false causes or social agenda? That's not what I want to see in any game developer. If they want to support some noble cause, they should donate to some charity and not spend $2 on advertising it for ever $1 they donate.

I don't understand why you equate s/s content with a mediocre game...DA2 is about the only precedence here and that game was mediocre because of short development time and bad design choices.

Also, I'd like to ask, out of genuine curiosity, what you define as a "false cause."

[Dapper Pomegranate]

Also, OT: Vega seems to have a fauxhawk fade, which I wholly support.
Derail avoided, nice!

[Winterfly]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Er, no, since the DLC character is a Prothean.

Has that been confirmed?

And If that is Vega, he looks bloody silly.

[MACharlie1]

Winterfly wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Er, no, since the DLC character is a Prothean.

Has that been confirmed?

And If that is Vega, he looks bloody silly.

It was confirmed on the Origin pre-order page but got taken down pretty quickly. :innocent:

[Dapper Pomegranate]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Winterfly wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Er, no, since the DLC character is a Prothean.

Has that been confirmed?

And If that is Vega, he looks bloody silly.

It was confirmed on the Origin pre-order page but got taken down pretty quickly. :innocent:

Was it? I think I remember it saying "Prothean DLC, including all new mission and squad member" or something along those lines. Which could just mean exploring prothean ruins with random human dlc character x. If they do give us a prothean squaddy though, they better do a looooot of 'splainin.

[Abiogenist]

This Vega seems more like a fan-service based generic new guy to me. Why
not a return of Jacob, or a new guy who happens to be straight?

How come you say Vega is a "fan-service based generic new guy"? I specifically recall James is intended for the new players who aren't familiar with the ME series. (Look here: http://masseffect.wi...wiki/James_Vega)

And I don't want to jump to your pointless, attention-whoring debate of LI sexuality again. It's already Ad Nauseam, and in the end, it's already planned for the game with great support and you can't do anything about that.


I'm expecting a higher res picture of Vega Bioware! This one does not satisfy me! >.<

[Jademoon121]

I'm going to say my piece and it is that M/M LI are in the game. Pretty much any poll about this leans to its inclusion and the Fight for the Love thread got locked because their goals where met. Romance is a choice, and adding one, I repeat, one more for the men isn't going to turn ME3 into DA2. Especially if it happens to be James because it looks like he won't be another perverted/insane rouge elf with pretty hair.

^Like this guy said. James is made for the people who'll play ME3 who didn't get into the two earlier games, which I think is a good idea. It could lead to some interesting character development. I think he'll give off the same vibes Garrus had in ME, idealistic and a little naive.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 10 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[Aoba]

If this theory's already been mentioned, I apologise. I haven't done any thread skimming to check before commenting.

You know how quite a few people thought the Big Ben sniper was actually James Vega (previously Sanders)? A dev replied awhile ago and said this wasn't true.

I believe the dev was telling the truth, but here's the thing... Vega is still in the trailer, but you can't see him. Why? Because he's the one narrating! Yes, I believe James Vega is the narrator for the ME3 teaser trailer shown at the VGAs. He can also be heard narrating the beginning of the Fall of Earth trailer featured at E3.
 
OMGSOEXCITEDIFTRUE. (I have a thing for buff soldiers with sexy accents. Don't be hatin'. )

So, yeah. Thoughts? Concerns? Cake? Mmm, cake... I like cake.

[MACharlie1]

Jademoon121 wrote...

I'm going to say my piece and it is that M/M LI are in the game. Pretty much any poll about this leans to its inclusion and the Fight for the Love thread got locked because their goals where met. Romance is a choice, and adding one, I repeat, one more for the men isn't going to turn ME3 into DA2. Especially if it happens to be James because it looks like he won't be another perverted/insane rouge elf with pretty hair.

^Like this guy said. James is made for the people who'll play ME3 who didn't get into the two earlier games, which I think is a good idea. It could lead to some interesting character development. I think he'll give off the same vibes Garrus had in ME, idealistic and a little naive.

If people are honestly believing Vega to be fan service because of the M/M they should really read the GameInformer issue then since James Vega (formerly Sanders) was already in the game before the devs decided to include new romances - that same issue says no new romances. Couple weeks later, Casey redacted that and said both new romances and some will be S/S for both male and females. Overall point: James was in this game before the s/s decision was made.

And do realize something: we don't actually know Vega will be a S/S option or any romance option for that matter. Since he's so far the only new guy, it's an assumption. 

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...
Really? Do they know how much work is involved? Would they feel the same way if they could get content they could enjoy instead? How much of it is society based 'do everything not to offend somebody' sort of thinking? Some 2000 people on the official forum is not a representitive poll of a series that has sold millions of copies.

Many would because as schocking as it will be to you, not everyone is so selfish and "me me me!" as you are I'm gladly getting less content for ManShep if that means devs can create FemShep at all and allow female players to get a better expeirence out of the game. Ohh and check what numbers are used in RL statistics/survey polls.

ReconTeam wrote...
Oh they aren't but I'm sure you expect animations and everything the other LIs get too. More work than a Fable-like fade to black. Also, the term shovelware doesn't mean something can't be popular. A lot of utter garbage people enjoy IRL is shovelware.

Again, The Sims may not be our kind of a game, but that doesn't change the fact it was defined as a great game by tens of millions of people who bought it and enjoyed. Mario games ain't my taste either, but they're good games for entire generations of gamers.

ReconTeam wrote...
Again these forums don't represent the majority of the games players. This Vega seems more like a fan-service based generic new guy to me. Why not a return of Jacob, or a new guy who happens to be straight?

We. Don't. Even. Know. If. He's. Gay. LOL You've seen one pic of him and people guessing he'll be a s/s romance and you've already concluded without a doubt he's gay (not bi) and badly fan-service written as well? And because of the very same reason why there would be a new guy who happens to be straight there would be a new guy who happens to be gay. We've already met lesbians/bi girls in ME universe, rather expected we would eventually meet a gay/bi guy. You only seem to be fine with  'happens to be' when the character happens to be what you want him/her to be and approve.

ReconTeam wrote...
Now I'm not the one expecting special treatment, nor have I based on any minority that I happen to fall into.

Of course you do, you expect and demand special treatement by getting more content because you happen to fall into a majority (in this case). That's been your entire argument here lol.

ReconTeam wrote...
I see the LIs as what they are, a minor "extra" feature, not a core component of the game. Yet you think Bioware has some obligation to add some gay LIs because some gay people happen to play the game too? Should people start demanding LIs of a specific ethnity next? It's absurd.

So the LIs are just minor extra feature? That means they don't demand lots of work to create unlike you've been trying to portray And there's no such thing as sexual orientation based on ethnicity. Any white man can fall in love with black/asian woman, any asian woman can fall in love with white/black man etc. People don't look at the color of skin when choosing their partners which is why no one demands it.

ReconTeam wrote...
It is special attention and treatment. You already have access to the same thing straight players have, no part of the game is being restricted to you because you're gay. You are asking for additional content based on what you like to sleep with. Lets not pretend anything different here. Also the majority of the human population is straight, so you shouldn't expect the same number of LIs anyway.

No, I'm asking for part of the content that will/is getting created for the game to be s/s LIs. This is not a case when they're done with the developement and people want additional content created after that. We're talking about taking a piece of what will be created anyway. And I'm not expecting the same number of LIs, neither other people who want s/s romance do. And just as you say "you already have content" I could say lets remove any choice (Paragon or Renegade, 2nd gender, additional hairstyles etc) and leave just one option because everyone would still have equal access to that option.

ReconTeam wrote...
Inclusiveness? People are looking for a good game, not pointless RLpolitical/social debate. If that said writer is gay, whatever, but he shouldn't be "gaying up" (as a Youtube commenter once said) their games because
of it.

If one writer is straight he shouldn't be "straighting up" their RPG games because of it. If one writer is a man he shouldn't be "manifying up" their RPG games because of it. You can say how many times you want that this is RL political debate but in reality it will still be content many players will use, enjoy and get even better experience from the game thus making the game even better for them. You don't define what constitutes for a good game for everyone. Everyone defines it himself/herself. BTW, loved how you dodged my question if you're concerned about growing number of female players who devs make more content for these days.

ReconTeam wrote...
Why does it bother me? A number of reasons. I think DA2 rather sucked and that this was a contributing factor, I don't like seeing this pandering, this hasn't done anything to decrease the obnoxious behavior of some of your supporters, and I don't appreciate trained soldiers/mercs/whatever hitting on their officer of the same gender.

Out of all DA2's problems you list a content you didn't even use LOL? And how many girls don't appreciate you hitting on them because they don't like you a bit? You'll just have to deal with the fact there are people you have no interest in that will hit on you, just like other people have to deal with you hitting on them even if they don't want anything to do with you. The world doesn't revolve around you, nor was constructed to accommodate only your tastes, gender, orientation, views and way of living.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 juin 2011 - 05:06 .

[fivefingaslap18]

Look, ReconTeam has actually no idea about sex in the world. If he ever looked up a man named Alfred Kinsey, than he would quickly learn that there are very few people who line up on the completely heterosexual side or the completely homosexual side and learn that most people truly line up in the middle: ie bisexual.

For the most part we're all bisexual to an extent. It just depends upon if you're a 2, 3, 4, or a 5. What are you ReconTeam?

[Jademoon121]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

I'm going to say my piece and it is that M/M LI are in the game. Pretty much any poll about this leans to its inclusion and the Fight for the Love thread got locked because their goals where met. Romance is a choice, and adding one, I repeat, one more for the men isn't going to turn ME3 into DA2. Especially if it happens to be James because it looks like he won't be another perverted/insane rouge elf with pretty hair.

^Like this guy said. James is made for the people who'll play ME3 who didn't get into the two earlier games, which I think is a good idea. It could lead to some interesting character development. I think he'll give off the same vibes Garrus had in ME, idealistic and a little naive.

If people are honestly believing Vega to be fan service because of the M/M they should really read the GameInformer issue then since James Vega (formerly Sanders) was already in the game before the devs decided to include new romances - that same issue says no new romances. Couple weeks later, Casey redacted that and said both new romances and some will be S/S for both male and females. Overall point: James was in this game before the s/s decision was made.

And do realize something: we don't actually know Vega will be a S/S option or any romance option for that matter. Since he's so far the only new guy, it's an assumption. 

I remember that article a few monthes back. You are right, the characters where revealed LONG before the romances came up. Still, I think Vega is the new LI. You leave Kaiden on Virmire and Shepherd, female and male especially, and he's the S/S Li, your manshep is out of luck. It is all speculation though I'll give you that. Hopefully though we can all get past it to not get this thread locked.

[Inquisitor Recon]

fivefingaslap18 wrote...
Look, ReconTeam has actually no idea about sex in the world. If he ever looked up a man named Alfred Kinsey, than he would quickly learn that there are very few people who line up on the completely heterosexual side or the completely homosexual side and learn that most people truly line up in the middle: ie bisexual.

For the most part we're all bisexual to an extent. It just depends upon if you're a 2, 3, 4, or a 5. What are you ReconTeam?

I've honestly never heard of this nonsense before so I wouldn't know my number. Sounds like some faux-psychology to me. I do appreciate your snide insinuations however.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Are we all assuming that there will only be one s/s option for males at this point? Just checking.

Oh, and we still know nothing new about James Vega, just to stay fairly on topic.

[shepskisaac]

RinjiRenee wrote...
Are we all assuming that there will only be one s/s option for males at this point? Just checking.

I assume there'll be 2, one new and one old LI (most likely Kaidan since he's the most demanded choice). For FemShep I assume just one new since there already is old LI Liara.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 juin 2011 - 06:16 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

IsaacShep wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
Are we all assuming that there will only be one s/s option for males at this point? Just checking.

I assume there'll be 2, one new and one old LI (most likely Kaidan since he's the most demanded choice). For FemShep I assume just one new since there already is old LI Liara.

I am assuming 2 for m/m too, I don't know about Kaidan or not... seems like they'd also have to make Ashley a s/s choice if that were true.

[Ryzaki]

I see it more likely it's Vega and Joker. Though that's my bias talking.