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[AngelicMachinery]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

100k wrote...

And he's getting a redesign. Again. Because of fan reaction to him. God, sometimes you guys...

While the various redesigns are getting ridiculous, this design really was insulting to those who are Halo, Gears of War, or Call of Duty fans, by making the character look like some Jarhead Jersey Shore fratboy and associating it with people who enjoy shooters and are new to RPGs.  I know it was the developers intent but that's how it came across.  Plus, in Mass Effect, you want to be engaged in the well being of this character and interact with them, and I can't see investing in that character.  Just by looking at him I want to see if his head would survive being jettisoned out of the airlock towards the nearest oncoming asteroid.  

I think you are a shallow person for desiring to Jetison someone simply because they looked like they came from the shores of New Jersey.  You need to relax.

[100k]

Hope you're right. All I know is that Bioware is observing fans who are obsessed with Tali's face, Ash's "catsuit" (which is actually unrevealing, and has padding on it), and Femshep's default design. It's just kind of sickening how unhappy people on this forum are.

I get that ME2 was inferior to ME1 is many ways, especially considering the story of the first game. But, for the love of god, people are already soaking their pitchforks in tar for preparation of a lynch mob mentality. Especially the feminists on this site, who actually don't have any convincing arguments for why they think Bioware is sexist, beyond "derp look @ Miranda herp bioware is obviously sexist". Once Vega's face was shown, fans ripped him apart too. "Herpderp Jersey Shore derp". Nobody said "Hey, this is just one image of him! We haven't seen him from a different perspective, or under different lighting, or with a different expression". They just derp'd and herp'd all over their keyboards like a anon going onto /v/.

Honestly folks, I'm just tired. I'm tired of listening to fans complain about how awful Bioware is. I'm tired of publisher's like EA rushing good teams like Bioware so they can meet their annual quota. I'm tired of games being rushed because of time constraints. I just want Bioware to completely focus their efforts on making the most diverse Mass Effect game yet--but most people are obsessing over the aesthetics of the game so much, that they've become every bit as objectifying as the people they condemn. I'm already tired of the character-fans insulting designs they've only had the tiniest of tiny glimpses at, and claiming that they know all about ME3, and tweeting about it 100x until they get a reply back. I'm just so f*cking tired.

I should get some rest.

[ArkkAngel007]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

100k wrote...

And he's getting a redesign. Again. Because of fan reaction to him. God, sometimes you guys...

While the various redesigns are getting ridiculous, this design really was insulting to those who are Halo, Gears of War, or Call of Duty fans, by making the character look like some Jarhead Jersey Shore fratboy and associating it with people who enjoy shooters and are new to RPGs.  I know it was the developers intent but that's how it came across.  Plus, in Mass Effect, you want to be engaged in the well being of this character and interact with them, and I can't see investing in that character.  Just by looking at him I want to see if his head would survive being jettisoned out of the airlock towards the nearest oncoming asteroid.  

I think you are a shallow person for desiring to Jetison someone simply because they looked like they came from the shores of New Jersey.  You need to relax.

That was because he has a very unlikable person design, not because of what he reminds me of.  Maybe it"s a bit harsh, as I haven't even met the guy yet.

The Jersey Shore bit I don't like because its being associated with the people new to the game who previously played a lot of shooters it seems, and it just is really tasteless.  Not all shooter fans are Marines or frat boys, though we love playing shooters 

[100k]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

100k wrote...

And he's getting a redesign. Again. Because of fan reaction to him. God, sometimes you guys...

While the various redesigns are getting ridiculous, this design really was insulting to those who are Halo, Gears of War, or Call of Duty fans, by making the character look like some Jarhead Jersey Shore fratboy and associating it with people who enjoy shooters and are new to RPGs.  

I know it was not the developers intent but that's how it came across.  

Plus, in Mass Effect, you want to be engaged in the well being of this character and interact with them, and I can't see investing in that character.  Just by looking at him I want to see if his head would survive being jettisoned out of the airlock towards the nearest oncoming asteroid.  

But that's if this is truly a redesign.  It's still early and nothing official has come out of the pipe.

OH REALLY? You see his haircut and instantly into your mind comes an image of this 


And this--god, look at this douche:



While into my mind comes something deceptively less related, like this:


Or this:



Oh, but I'm forgetting--YOU ALREADY PLAYED ME3. Well forgive me Great One. I seemed to have forgotten. Well please, do enlighten us all on how much of a pompous douche bag James Vega is. I'll remember, he's got the hair of some celebrity wanna be on MTVs biggest hit, so he MUST be a complete @sshole. 

I see his new size, and stupidly thought to myself "well, most of the men in ME's galaxy are the same height, and around the same weight. This new guy is breaking the mold.  Great! I wanted more diversity, especially in character models."

When I should've been thinking "Damn, that dude has GTL (Gym/Tan/Laundry -- it's a Jersey thing) down to a fine science. What a douche. Ronnie and Duke Nukem would be proud of this board walking Kelvin Klein wearing slvt puncher!"

Modifié par 100k, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:53 .

[AngelicMachinery]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

100k wrote...

And he's getting a redesign. Again. Because of fan reaction to him. God, sometimes you guys...

While the various redesigns are getting ridiculous, this design really was insulting to those who are Halo, Gears of War, or Call of Duty fans, by making the character look like some Jarhead Jersey Shore fratboy and associating it with people who enjoy shooters and are new to RPGs.  I know it was the developers intent but that's how it came across.  Plus, in Mass Effect, you want to be engaged in the well being of this character and interact with them, and I can't see investing in that character.  Just by looking at him I want to see if his head would survive being jettisoned out of the airlock towards the nearest oncoming asteroid.  

I think you are a shallow person for desiring to Jetison someone simply because they looked like they came from the shores of New Jersey.  You need to relax.

That was because he has a very unlikable person design, not because of what he reminds me of.  Maybe it"s a bit harsh, as I haven't even met the guy yet.

The Jersey Shore bit I don't like because its being associated with the people new to the game who previously played a lot of shooters it seems, and it just is really tasteless.  Not all shooter fans are Marines or frat boys, though we love playing shooters 

I would just wait to pass judgement on the dude until you meet him.  I have to admit,  I would find it to be quite hilarious if the character ended up acting like a character from the Jersey Shore if only because how out of place it would seem.

I’m not sure about this myself,  as the thought never really crossed my mind.  Perhaps you’re right,  but,  that doesn’t necessarily mean he will be a bad character.

[KawaiiKatie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I have to admit,  I would find it to be quite hilarious if the character ended up acting like a character from the Jersey Shore if only because how out of place it would seem.

Not gonna lie, that's and amazing mental image.

Especially when you try imagining how the crew of the Normandy would react... Joker would be all, "Who is this guy?!" and... well, Jack would just end him. It would be amazing.

Anyway, I really, really doubt that Vega will be a "Jersey Shore" character. I'm kind of eager to see if he's as young as he looks in his concept art, and if his age plays a part in his characterization at all, but even if he's the youngest crewmate yet, I don't think he'll be super immature or rude or... "Jersey Shore."

[AngelicMachinery]

KawaiiKatie wrote...


Not gonna lie, that's and amazing mental image.

Especially when you try imagining how the crew of the Normandy would react... Joker would be all, "Who is this guy?!" and... well, Jack would just end him. It would be amazing.

Anyway, I really, really doubt that Vega will be a "Jersey Shore" character. I'm kind of eager to see if he's as young as he looks in his concept art, and if his age plays a part in his characterization at all, but even if he's the youngest crewmate yet, I don't think he'll be super immature or rude or... "Jersey Shore."

I personally hope he does come out not as immature but inexperinced maybe tinged with a hint of idol worship for some of the major players who assisted in the defeat of soverign.  I do hope he isn't just another "bad ass" we had too many of them in ME2.

[ArkkAngel007]

I guess my point it was just a poor design choice.

And 100k, again I have to clarify the Jersey Shore bit was the affiliation to fans of shooters, not Vega's actual design. I'd rather they keep away from the generic shooter character look, such as Sgt. "Sev" from Killzone or the Soap redesigns.

I apologize for the effort you had to lay the hammer on me, though it was a great read.

[100k]

But you know what??? I'm not gonna stop my rant there! You people insist on understanding every character within the first screenshot of them. You insist that they're character is tied to the clothes they wear. But this is just sh!t stacked with ego!

forum-know-it-all: derp, mirandas catsuit is just awful! Why isn't she wearing armor?
smart people: because she doesn't have to, and armor doesn't compliment her character--
forum-know-it-all: herp derp she's basically a horrible character bioware uses to objectify women to pander to the male audience. just like how james panders to the MTV audience. derp herp derp.
smart people: uhhh, no. Miranda's actually a pretty deep character. Sure she has a great ass, but that should come after you find out her personal story.
forum-know-it-all: no shes a bond-girl.
smart people: well guess what? I didn't sleep with her in my play through. So...I guess she doesn't exactly fit the role of a "Bond-girl".
forum-know-it-all: deeeerp. Yes she does, she may have a good character but her clothes completely distract from that. It basically objectifies her like all women in the series.
smart people: No, YOU'RE objectifying her because you can't see past her outfit. And Bioware doesn't objectify women in ANY of their games. Their female characters (including the protagonists) have deep personal issues, stories, struggles, dreams and wishes. Judging all of Bioware's female characters because of Miranda's outfit is absurd! Tali isn't dressed like that, and she's just as deep as---
forum-know-it-all: deeeerp heeeeeeerp btw I wanna see Tali's face!!!! But Bioware better not mess it up!
smart people: You can't have it both ways!!!!!

[100k]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I guess my point it was just a poor design choice.

And 100k, again I have to clarify the Jersey Shore bit was the affiliation to fans of shooters, not Vega's actual design. I'd rather they keep away from the generic shooter character look, such as Sgt. "Sev" from Killzone or the Soap redesigns.

I apologize for the effort you had to lay the hammer on me, though it was a great read.

How many Jersey Shore fans do you think play ME!? Hell, how many males like Jersey Shore and the boys in it enough to feel the "relate-ability" of a character in Mass Effect to Pauly or Vinnie??? Less than 3%? 5% being generous? Less than the percentage of black, hispanic, or Asian players? Less than the percentage of female players?

And keep in mind that Halo and Gears of War have very diverse casts of characters, NONE of whom fit the stereotype of a gueedo (or however the hell it's spelled).

Modifié par 100k, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:51 .

[Chiramu]

James Vega looks like such a dork, I wonder what his character is going to be like, and if he's going to sound as stupid as he looks lol.

[ArkkAngel007]

100k wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I guess my point it was just a poor design choice.

And 100k, again I have to clarify the Jersey Shore bit was the affiliation to fans of shooters, not Vega's actual design. I'd rather they keep away from the generic shooter character look, such as Sgt. "Sev" from Killzone or the Soap redesigns.

I apologize for the effort you had to lay the hammer on me, though it was a great read.

How many Jersey Shore fans do you think play ME!? Hell, how many males like Jersey Shore and the boys in it enough to feel the "relate-ability" of a character in Mass Effect to Pauly or Vinnie??? Less than 3%? 5% being generous? Less than the percentage of black, hispanic, or Asian players? Less than the percentage of female players?

And keep in mind that Halo and Gears of War have very diverse casts of characters, NONE of whom fit the stereotype of a gueedo (or however the hell it's spelled).

 Look, everyone is stereotyped.  A lot of people view Marines as big, dumb apes who just follow orders, though that is nowhere near the case.  People have their views of what those of different race, financial standing, and social standing act and look like.  Jersey Shore was just the only comparison, and perhaps mistakenly as I am among this group and nothing like the people on the show, I could think of for frat boys.  Its not meant to be an insult. 

What I'm saying is that whoever designed Vega generalized what a fan of shooters wants their character to look like.   And to me it was a poor design.  Now that is only my opinion.  Others may like the design and want it to be final.  I'm just voicing my opinion that it was a wrong generalization of what these new players would want in a character. 

For all I know, I may also be misinterpreting Bioware's intent with Vega and his design.

I don't give a crap about Jersey Shore, who is in it, and if those who like or are in the show are into Mass Effect.  It was just the split second response that came to mind with Vega.  With a lot of outside media, and even many gamers, comparing fans of shooters to people like those on the show, it sort of ticked me off that Bioware seemed to be generalizing his look in that fashion.

Again, the above was my opinion, and in split-second.  Maybe I shouldn't be defending it for it being so, but calling me a shallow individual or an ***hole for it, over a game character, is rather ridiculous. 

And I love the characters in Gears and Halo, and can't wait to play their next iterations. 

[ArkkAngel007]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...


Not gonna lie, that's and amazing mental image.

Especially when you try imagining how the crew of the Normandy would react... Joker would be all, "Who is this guy?!" and... well, Jack would just end him. It would be amazing.

Anyway, I really, really doubt that Vega will be a "Jersey Shore" character. I'm kind of eager to see if he's as young as he looks in his concept art, and if his age plays a part in his characterization at all, but even if he's the youngest crewmate yet, I don't think he'll be super immature or rude or... "Jersey Shore."

I personally hope he does come out not as immature but inexperinced maybe tinged with a hint of idol worship for some of the major players who assisted in the defeat of soverign.  I do hope he isn't just another "bad ass" we had too many of them in ME2.

That would be great.  Hopefully he isn't naive like Cpl. Jenkins was.  He was a likable character that I sort of wish was kept around longer, but it wasn't the time or place for him and he lost his life because of it.  Hopefully Vega is more focused, just a lil green around the edges to allow some character growth.

[100k]

@ArkkAngel007

I'm not calling you shallow. Just don't listen to me right now. I'm ranting to anyone who'll listen. Probably has to do with the brandy + pineapple juice I had.

[ArkkAngel007]

100k wrote...

@ArkkAngel007

I'm not calling you shallow. Just don't listen to me right now. I'm ranting to anyone who'll listen. Probably has to do with the brandy + pineapple juice I had.

Sorry it was Angelic who did so.  And Mother @#*%en duck-monkeys:blink:.

[AngelicMachinery]

100k wrote...

@ArkkAngel007

I'm not calling you shallow. Just don't listen to me right now. I'm ranting to anyone who'll listen. Probably has to do with the brandy + pineapple juice I had.

Does that actually taste good?  Sounds like one of those combinations you throw together when you have nothing else.

[100k]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

100k wrote...

@ArkkAngel007

I'm not calling you shallow. Just don't listen to me right now. I'm ranting to anyone who'll listen. Probably has to do with the brandy + pineapple juice I had.

Does that actually taste good?  Sounds like one of those combinations you throw together when you have nothing else.

Sorry, its rum + pineapple juice. Well, actually it's pineapple preserve. The liquid inside a can of pineapple chunks. And it's damn'd delicious. 

[AngelicMachinery]

100k wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

100k wrote...

@ArkkAngel007

I'm not calling you shallow. Just don't listen to me right now. I'm ranting to anyone who'll listen. Probably has to do with the brandy + pineapple juice I had.

Does that actually taste good?  Sounds like one of those combinations you throw together when you have nothing else.

Sorry, its rum + pineapple juice. Well, actually it's pineapple preserve. The liquid inside a can of pineapple chunks. And it's damn'd delicious. 

Now, that does sound like it would be tasty.

[100k]

It's a great use of the preserve after you've opened the can.

[ilovemesometurian]

Aww I think he looks all right. Tough!

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 08 juillet 2011 - 06:21 .

[ilovemesometurian]

Well I think Liara and James' faces are still being designed. This is just to show off the armor. I've heard (and am pretty sure I'm right) it from a twitter thingy page.

[Undead Han]

I don't care what Vega looks like so long as the character looks like a real person.

You know, as opposed to those cartoonish freaks from Gears of War.

[Harid]

They made him a little too meaty. Especially given the direction they took with ME2, I don't know how Bioware didn't see this reaction coming.

You can't make a built character like Vega without him being considered a dudebro character.

I thought Bioware was going to make this guy a gay relationship companion to troll the dudebros their marketing department markets to.

I don't expect to be proven wrong.

[shepskisaac]

Harid wrote...

They made him a little too meaty. Especially given the direction they took with ME2, I don't know how Bioware didn't see this reaction coming.

You can't make a built character like Vega without him being considered a dudebro character.

I thought Bioware was going to make this guy a gay relationship companion to troll the dudebros their marketing department markets to.

I don't expect to be proven wrong.

LOL it's ironic as having him be gay is kinda the only thing that can save him from being forever labeled as a dudebro-service

[Augoeides]

Harid wrote...

They made him a little too meaty. Especially given the direction they took with ME2, I don't know how Bioware didn't see this reaction coming.

You can't make a built character like Vega without him being considered a dudebro character.

I thought Bioware was going to make this guy a gay relationship companion to troll the dudebros their marketing department markets to.

I don't expect to be proven wrong.

Oh this would be grand. So very grand. Anyway whether Vega is Gay, Straight or Bi or whatever doesn't matter. Assuming his personality doesn't drive me up the wall he will be an appreciated member of the team in Mass Effect 3, for me.