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[candidate88766]

eldav wrote...

this put me2 completly useless, its like the plot didnt matter,

You stopped the Collectors. You assembled a squad. You set in motion events surrounding situations like the Genophage and the Quarian-Geth conflict. This changes nothing about ME2's plot.

[Dave of Canada]

michaelrsa wrote...

Wait, so the bad guys in ME1 are the bad guys in ME3 again?

What a surprise!

We didn't know them in ME1, we attacked them without knowing who they were or how they were structed except from hearing about how they were "bad bad bad" by the Alliance. We had them explored more in ME2 which allowed more opinions to be formed, some people who absolutely loathed Cerberus understood them and supported them.

So... your argument would make sense if they were villains throughout, though they weren't explored in ME1 and when they were explored they became allies. Now they're villains (and if we were to accept your little argument, they are villains for completely different reasons than before) in the third game.

[AlexRmF]

if Cerberus is working with the Reapers what was the damn point of ME2 and Project Lazarus? TIM could've just let Shepard's body be taken by the Collectors from the Shadow Broker.. he wouldn't have spent billions of credits to bring him back, because the Collectors were working for his Masters anyway and could be considered allies.
I sure hope there's more to this... there's got to be, because it makes no sense

[candidate88766]

AlexRmF wrote...

if Cerberus is working with the Reapers what was the damn point of ME2 and Project Lazarus? TIM could've just let Shepard's body be taken by the Collectors from the Shadow Broker.. he wouldn't have spent billions of credits to bring him back, because the Collectors were working for his Masters anyway and could be considered allies.
I sure hope there's more to this... there's got to be, because it makes no sense

How about this for an idea then: in ME2 they brought Shepard back in order to fight the Reapers - to stop them arriving and prepare for if they did. In ME3 we see that Shepard has failed - the Reapers have taken Earth and Shepard has failed to prepare the galaxy and defend humanity's homeworld. If they can buy time for humanity by working with the Reapers then they'll take that chance. If it means killing Shepard then thats fine - in their eyes he's already failed. Besides, they weren't working with the Reapers in ME2.

Modifié par candidate88766, 06 juin 2011 - 09:42 .

[FROST4584]

AlexRmF wrote...

if Cerberus is working with the Reapers what was the damn point of ME2 and Project Lazarus? TIM could've just let Shepard's body be taken by the Collectors from the Shadow Broker.. he wouldn't have spent billions of credits to bring him back, because the Collectors were working for his Masters anyway and could be considered allies.
I sure hope there's more to this... there's got to be, because it makes no sense

I agree, at the same time, if it is true all I have to say is........................ O no Kelly :.(

[Dave of Canada]

michaelrsa wrote...

Fine, you're right.

Their either indoctrinated or really big jerks.

Depends on how you ended ME2!

Renegade: Indocrinated.
Paragon: Really indocrinated big jerks.

[CheeseEnchilada]

TIM is an intelligent man. Working with the Reapers 'for the lulz' does not seem like his style in the slightest, and I doubt this is character/faction derailment. We just don't have enough information yet to see why Cerberus is doing what it is, so I'll refrain from judging.

Indoctrination is probably a good guess, though.

[evmiller]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I wonder if TIM has become indoctrinated, as well. Or if he was somehow indoctrinated during ME2?

Not TIM. Miranda! The reapers have been trying to capture someone close to Shepard for some time now. Remember Horizon? She must have been captured after the events of ME2. She's leading this splinter group of Cerberus against Shepard. I think TIM's still on our side.

Modifié par evmiller, 06 juin 2011 - 09:47 .

[Sidewinder_617]

the illusive man has saren's eyes and obsessed with reapers.
also wouldn't stop setting deathtraps and undermining shepard's best intersts.

no, didn't see that one coming.
didn't even posted on it in the forums a year ago and had everybody laughed it off.

jack harper: who's laughing now, ****?!!

edit: i linked the SB to the reapers last year.
still suspected cerberus to be usurped, especially since NO evidence whatsoever
except circumstential ones existed, which is reaper M.O.

but since indoctronation will probably play a gameplay role in ME3,
liara (like the old SB) or any other squad member might be suseptible to the reapers. even shepard.
this wouldn't be the first time people aware to indoctrination fell pray to it, after all

Modifié par Sidewinder_617, 06 juin 2011 - 10:15 .

[Dave of Canada]

Sidewinder_617 wrote...

the illusive man has saren's eyes and obsessed with reapers.

So does Shepard.

also wouldn't stop setting deathtraps and undermining shepard's best intersts.

You mean the traps that somehow undermined the Reapers and foiled their plans?

[Thompson family]

Dave of Canada wrote...


We didn't know them in ME1, we attacked them without knowing who they were or how they were structed except from hearing about how they were "bad bad bad" by the Alliance. We had them explored more in ME2 which allowed more opinions to be formed, some people who absolutely loathed Cerberus understood them and supported them.

So... your argument would make sense if they were villains throughout, though they weren't explored in ME1 and when they were explored they became allies. Now they're villains (and if we were to accept your little argument, they are villains for completely different reasons than before) in the third game.

That leaves out the possiblity that they were never straight with Shep once and were playing him/her, or the far more likely prospect that they simply switched to the side that's clearly winning.

Finland, for example, never completely sealed off Leningrad during the 900-day siege -- and could have. They were allies with the Germans in WWII but hedged their bets. They made a separate peace with the Soviets later in World War II. Did that defy all logic? No. they went with the winning side.

I didn't kill the Heretics. Shep reprogrammed them in the belief they could be allies. Well, that appears ready to bite me in the a**, but I'm not crying about it.

[ThisIsMadness91]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Yeah way to screw us renegades over again. Bioware doesn't like logical thinking, they prefer self righteous idealists.

Well, now, if you can't learn to play nice with others, you deserve to have your toys taken away:P.

Modifié par ThisIsMadness91, 06 juin 2011 - 10:20 .

[Sidewinder_617]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sidewinder_617 wrote...

the illusive man has saren's eyes and obsessed with reapers.

So does Shepard.

also wouldn't stop setting deathtraps and undermining shepard's best intersts.

You mean the traps that somehow undermined the Reapers and foiled their plans?

read the edit. it's the subtle, overlooked signs that are usually it.
and everytime shepard goes on a key mission it's into the reaper minions' teeth. and the alliance tip and blackout.
that's hardly in shepard's best interests. in fact, jack (IM) was trying to isolate him, make sure no one would be there
to assist him when the hammer came down. in the end, it worked.

of course that all of this was designed to give credibility to ME2 and ME3's gameplay, or it wouldnwt exist.

[Dave of Canada]

Thompson family wrote...

That leaves out the possiblity that they were never straight with Shep once and were playing him/her, or the far more likely prospect that they simply switched to the side that's clearly winning.

Except they spent millions to bring back Shepard, they outfitted Shepard for the war, they gave them the best allies and the best ship money could buy and sent them through everything to destroy the Reapers plans. The game even says TIM brought back Shepard to lead the war against the Reapers.

It could be possible but surrendering to the Reapers immediately after arriving would be contrary to everything they've been trying to achieve since after the First Contact War (where TIM found out about the Reapers and have been trying to stop them if you want to believe the comics).

I didn't kill the Heretics. Shep reprogrammed them in the belief they could be allies. Well, that appears ready to bite me in the a**, but I'm not crying about it.

Now you've peaked my interest, how so? I've seen no mention of it.

[Bad King]

My reaction to the announcement that Cerberus are indoctrinated and working with the reapers:

Modifié par Bad King, 06 juin 2011 - 10:29 .

[United_Strafes]

I was stunned when I heard about it 2 weeks ago........

[Mecha Tengu]

cerberus = loghain
reapers = archdemon

can spot this from miles away

[Dave of Canada]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

cerberus = loghain
reapers = archdemon

can spot this from miles away

Except Loghain never worked with the Archdemon.

[Bad King]

United_Strafes wrote...

I was stunned when I heard about it 2 weeks ago........

? It was only announced today. Although PC gamer did say that they were working with the reapers, but PC gamer is not a reliable source, so a lot of people didn't buy it.

[Dean_the_Young]

You know what? Screw politics: I just want some of that Cerberus armor now.

Jumpboots are cool.

[Thompson family]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I didn't kill the Heretics. Shep reprogrammed them in the belief
they could be allies. Well, that appears ready to bite me in the a**,
but I'm not crying about it.

Now you've peaked my interest, how so? I've seen no mention of it.

When Shepard's at the small control panel above the Reaper "base" in the gameplay demo, he radios the Normandy and says (unless I heard wrong) "The Geth Shields are down." Also, he (in the trailer) throwing a grenade at some Geth. On the other hand, Legion is clearly with him. In fact, Legion drives the platform while Shep is tailgunner during the escape from the Reaper.

It will take hours for us to sort this all out tonight, but I suspect  saving the Geth is going to bite.

Thompson family wrote...

That leaves out the possiblity that they were never straight with Shep once and were playing him/her, or the far more likely prospect that they simply switched to the side that's clearly winning.

Except they spent millions to bring back Shepard, they outfitted Shepard for the war, they gave them the best allies and the best ship money could buy and sent them through everything to destroy the Reapers plans. The game even says TIM brought back Shepard to lead the war against the Reapers.

It could be possible but surrendering to the Reapers immediately after arriving would be contrary to everything they've been trying to achieve since after the First Contact War (where TIM found out about the Reapers and have been trying to stop them if you want to believe the comics).

And failed. TIM wanted to stop the Reapers from coming, or at least be prepared. He failed, and made a pragmatic deal -- and will be betrayed by the Reapers anyway.

Modifié par Thompson family, 07 juin 2011 - 04:47 .

[Mecha Tengu]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

cerberus = loghain
reapers = archdemon

can spot this from miles away

Except Loghain never worked with the Archdemon.

same concept I mean

[Thompson family]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You know what? Screw politics: I just want some of that Cerberus armor now.

Jumpboots are cool.

You have a point.