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[Pedestrial]

In the beginning of ME2 during your first option chat with Miranda
she wanted Shepard implanted with a chip, a failsafe sort of thing,
TIM was apparently against the idea, bet he's kicking himself now.

Would've cut ME3 a bit short though, I'm sure ME3's going to be
full of betrayal and paranoia of who to trust, regardless of what's
been revealed I'm sure the story will have plenty of twists and turns
that would have those that doubted Biowares integrity to deliver
a solid story eating their words.

Well I hope so, just spent £70 on the CE today.

[Withidread]

I can see Cerberus at large being indoctrinated... and to an extent TIM as well. However, I don't think that the word "simple" is something that should ever be applied to TIM. Both the character and accompanying voice actor (at least the one in ME2, I'm assuming ME3 will feature the same) are far far too good to waste on anything that could be termed "simple."

So... and indoctrinated Illusive Man? Sure... but I have a hard time believing it's as simple as sticking a spike through his chest.

[Northern Sun]

I've decided even with the new information I'm still keeping the base. I won't let fear compromise who I am.

[theheadstrong11]

*plot twist dance*

[Pimpus93]

Is Cerberus working with the Reapers...or are the Reapers working with Cerberus?

[ME-ParaShep]

Man, a lot of you guys are getting amped up about Cerberus being the enemy in ME 3 aren't you? O.o The paragon ending in ME 3 does lead up to the "obvious" reaction of Cerberus in ME 3, but think about the Renegade ending a little more deeply. Bioware doesn't do things without a reason and not even stupid reasons to boot, but what I believe the Renegade ending leads Cerberus to be the bad guys in ME 3 is because they have the Collector Base which is all they need to procure their safety from the Reapers because apparently they believe that siding with the Reapers is beneficial to their survival just as how TIM appeases to Shepard's interest in the Reapers when Cerberus "recruits" him. If you chose the Paragon ending in ME 2, you would remember that TIM said "Strength for Cerberus is strength for humanity" and "Cerberus IS humanity". You can already tell that TIM is planning to be the dictator of a new growing humanity after the Reapers (hopefully in Cerberus' view) see them as beneficiaries to the galaxies destruction. It makes sense. If Cerberus recovers the Collector Base, doing that would only benefit the Reapers because of the Reaper tech that's in the base. You can't use Reaper tech against Reapers because they are all aligned to be like one another. They're not like the Geth where the Geth are either heretics or good. The Reapers have true unity and transcendence as to what Legion stated if you destroyed the Collector Base. Using information resulting from destroying the Collector Base proves that saving the base and giving it to the Illusive Man was a bad idea. Samara and Thane, a couple of the wisest squad members comment that you did the right thing if you destroyed the base. Cerberus' true motives is to utilize the base for ironically inhumane deeds, yet it's expected due to their actions and mischievousness that they would back-stab Shepard. Especially since Shepard is the supposed icon of humanity due to being a Spectre and a beacon of hope for the universe including humanity which is what apparently Cerberus was only SAYING that they were backing up.

[Yusovich]

Ehh, Cerberus is a very big organization that is spread all over the place and does various jobs. For all we know, these Cerberus that we fight are cells that went dark after reapers came by. TIM and the Cerberus that we worked with in ME2 might not even be indoctrinated by the reapers.

Miranda even says that Cerberus cells do not even know each other and could walk by each other and never know it.

[Sidewinder_617]

most likely scenario is that illusive man
has decided his time to make cerberus the new council has come,
and wants to make sure he will take the kill shot at the reapers.
hence, ANY attempt to unify the warring civilizations of the galaxy must be stopped,
especially if it involves shepard, who he still considers a game-changer in the galaxy.

[TobiTobsen]

I would be more interested in the fact where the hell all those Cerberus grunts are coming from?

Didn't EDI said something about 150 people working in three cells at the time of ME2? Or were that just the scientist and she didn't told you that they have about 5000 soldiers standing around and waiting to be indoctrinated?

[whywhywhywhy]

  I've done some research since I bought the LOTSB dlc (this info isn't found within it)  The illusive man came into contact with some artifact that's what changed his eyes, a type of reaper artifact or something along that
line.  I think because of how the artifact changes he might be vunerable to reaper influence, or they may even just be aware of him.  If so they could go indoctrinate him for info on the galaxy since they won't have the citadel to draw info from.  A big portion of how the reapers organize and attack the galaxy was through the citadel, without it someone like the illusive man becomes a valuable asset to control like the protoean general.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 08 juin 2011 - 08:50 .

[Sidewinder_617]

TobiTobsen wrote...

I would be more interested in the fact where the hell all those Cerberus grunts are coming from?

Didn't EDI said something about 150 people working in three cells at the time of ME2? Or were that just the scientist and she didn't told you that they have about 5000 soldiers standing around and waiting to be indoctrinated?

maybe she referred to key personnal. the rest could be mercs from all over

[moneycashgeorge]

I just want to point this out- TIM's eyes are not evidence of reaper-dom.

Its the future. Apparantly they invented synthetic eyes. Maybe TIM had bad vision. He's rich. Tech eyes look cooler than glasses.

This seemed obvious and self explanatory to me. It ties in to TIM's search for human perfection that led him engineer Miranda and experiment on Jack.

It makes so sense that TIM would just non-chalantly show off his eyes to Shepard and everyone else if they were some sign of being a Reaper.

[Ausstig]

TIM's eyes were affected by a reaper artifact, like object rio. During the first contact war.

Also biowear setup this rail-rioad with Shepards contractional attitude with TIM in the end of ME2, so yeah, go the Alliance, wo who,(said as unenthusiastically as is posable)

[Sauronych]

Why the hell did they reveal such a major plot twist in a freaking E3 presentation? It was a nice spoiler-free video until that moment.

[Mercedes-Benz]

Maybe they are just pretending to be working for them, so that they can destroy the Reapers from inside? Or to gather more information?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Uszi wrote...

Unanswered question:  Was TIM indoctrinated from the start, or did this happen in the interim?

Now that would be an extremely weak move on the team's part. Would be right up there with the Kraken in Pirates being killed off between the second and third films.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 08 juin 2011 - 09:31 .

[count_4]

evmiller wrote...
Not TIM. Miranda! The reapers have been trying to capture someone close to Shepard for some time now. Remember Horizon? She must have been captured after the events of ME2. She's leading this splinter group of Cerberus against Shepard. I think TIM's still on our side.

I quite like that idea.

Apart from that, this whole thread is hilarious. A bunch of guys raging about the story of a game that is 9 month ahead and probably 30+ hours long from which they have seen about 5 minutes of actual gemaplay and heard one or two story basics.

[Camthalon]

Sauronych wrote...

Why the hell did they reveal such a major plot twist in a freaking E3 presentation? It was a nice spoiler-free video until that moment.

Because seeing them only shoot various types of Husks would be an amazingly boring combat demo presentation?

[LGTX]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

I just want to point this out- TIM's eyes are not evidence of reaper-dom.

Yes, they are. 

And the Reapers have been known to show subtelty in ways they indoctrinate, like with Kenson from Arrival - not actually revealing their influence unless they need to, making gentle mental nudges to guide the indoctrinated to whatever goals the Reapers pursue, etc. Retribution got the whole thing nailed quite well, but there the case was in extreme.

Case to point, Kenson got indoctrinated simply by being in the vicinity of Object Rho. Whereas Timmy... well, you know.

Anyway, go read up Mass Effect: Evolution if you can tolerate the cheesy plot, it ties in to the lore and explains TIM's background. Eyes included.

[suprhomre]

 I think it was hinted in ME2 all along. For an example Wilson, the Hammerhead project and overlord. You could see it written in the walls. Not, sure if TIM is involved though. It could be an inner cell within Ceberus who had revolted against TIM. Not matter what, I'm just glad to get ride of them and we can focus on being an Alliance/SPECTRE soldier again.Working for the good guys so to speak.

[Vanni127]

okay..

Cerberus (and TIM) have never been more than saturday morning cartoon villains. I was shocked that Shep would even remotely work with them in ME2. Especially if you were a sole-survivor Shep. The fact that Cerberus is working with the Reapers in ME3 wasn't a shock to me whatsoever. In fact, it makes sense they'd team up with the more powerful bad guy faction since they don't want to be destroyed as well.

[LGTX]

I think Wilson worked for the Shadow Broker. Not sure where I got this from, but I definitely remember reading about it somewhere...

[SierraGHOSTN7]

I am not sure, I didn't read any comics or novels, but maybe it's TIM's eyes which aren't natural, maybe it's something like Saren's body parts? That he is indoctinated due this and Cerberus is following him?

[Ahglock]

LGTX wrote...

moneycashgeorge wrote...

I just want to point this out- TIM's eyes are not evidence of reaper-dom.

Yes, they are. 

And the Reapers have been known to show subtelty in ways they indoctrinate, like with Kenson from Arrival - not actually revealing their influence unless they need to, making gentle mental nudges to guide the indoctrinated to whatever goals the Reapers pursue, etc. Retribution got the whole thing nailed quite well, but there the case was in extreme.

Case to point, Kenson got indoctrinated simply by being in the vicinity of Object Rho. Whereas Timmy... well, you know.

Anyway, go read up Mass Effect: Evolution if you can tolerate the cheesy plot, it ties in to the lore and explains TIM's background. Eyes included.

Indoctrination never caused eyes to look funny.  Saren's eyes only looked funny after he was physically implanted with crap tons of cyber so he could be directly controlled.  No one else gets funny eye problems with indoctrination.  If they decided to change that and ret-con the lore in some lame comic or novel so be it.  

[Ahglock]

Vanni127 wrote...

okay..

Cerberus (and TIM) have never been more than saturday morning cartoon villains. I was shocked that Shep would even remotely work with them in ME2. Especially if you were a sole-survivor Shep. The fact that Cerberus is working with the Reapers in ME3 wasn't a shock to me whatsoever. In fact, it makes sense they'd team up with the more powerful bad guy faction since they don't want to be destroyed as well.

whoa, whoa GiJoe was on weekdays not saturdays.  Cerberus and Tim are clearly Cobra, he is Cobra commander and he wanted you to be Serpentor.  Hell you even fly aorund openly with Cobra(Cerberus) logos and no one seems to comment or notice, just like Cobra opperatives do.