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[Xeranx]

SpecterShepard wrote...

People relax if you like the outfit keep it if you don't I'm sure there are alternate outfits the CE already has some. I think the outfit (with what little we have seen) looks fine.

By the way there is much more to Miranda and Isabela then just their outfits. Yes they are hot but all bioware characters are much more than that.

So I have to spend money to give one of the smartest, strongest women in the game practical combat wear?  Really?

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...
Even with the footage, it's all speculation at this point. The game comes out in March of next year. That's a long time from now. Respectfully, I'll be laughing if I find out that this worrying was for nothing.

And I'll laugh right along with you.
Me: "Hey Neverwinter, remember when some of us Ashley fans made a furor over her look in the demo?  Man is the egg on our face since that's not the case with the actual game." *joyous laughs are had*

There are too many people who , I'll even venture to say Elite, would love to have all our dissent to be for naught.  To work on an addage:

It's better to have a voice and not need it then to need a voice and not have it.  

If we wait until ME3 is released we will have effectively lost our voice.  I couldn't care less about DLC because the liklihood that I'll buy it at this point is slim to none.  What I'm seeing of her character in the demo has me thinking they're not keeping her character true to form as Chris L'Etoile wrote her.  I've even begun thinking they'd mishandle her character just to get back at him.  

I don't want to say that Bioware's petty, but with the camera shots of "choice" bits of Miranda in ME2 and the treatment of Samara and Tali...I don't think they're on the mature level.  Especially with the mention of making the game more PG-13.  And let me say that Samara's look would have been fine if it were just her...maybe, but for me she's the cherry on top of a sundae I would pay to avoid.

Modifié par Xeranx, 07 juin 2011 - 03:01 .

[Ryzaki]

Filament wrote...

I support Ashley's new look. Mass effect shields, and all that.

 

Then Kaidan and Shepard should be in casual wear as well. Or does this only apply for females? (And Thane/Jacob for some mindboggling reason.) 

[Hattie]

Phategod1 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Phategod1 wrote...

Do you thikn that mayb just Maybe Ashely didn't have Time to

A. put her hair in a pony tail or bun.

B. put on Heavy Armor.

and that once things calm down you will be able to customize all party members like before.

it takes couple of seconds to pull your hair into a ponytail and you can do it while moving.  it takes even less time to...."gasp"  pull your hair out of your eyes and push it behind your ear.  which is infinitly more practical then blocking your eyesight, while trying to shoot things.

and I guess it also means that the normandy has marines on it that hang out wearing heavy armor at all times, just in case... becasue the marine next to her?  was fully suited up.

we haven't seen how Kaidan is dressed in this occasion, so I'm willing, reluctantly, to give in to "no time for armor" but I just have this...feeling that he'll actualy be wearing some.  just a hunch.

its a long time before the game is out.  we have seen only glimpses.  there are a lot of exciting things about the game so far.  but this character redesign... it makes me worried.

Again you have no Idea what Ashely was doing before the aforementioned scene and that Marine is the new character and may have already been suited up. and as some one who has long hair, just because she would put her hair behind her ear does not mean it would even stay there. especially since shes firing a automatic weapon. 

Plus it's a game, so this is likely to be her only hair style for the whole thing.

[Aimi]

Ryzaki wrote...

daqs wrote...
Not necessarily Vega.  Vega's AAP armor looks radically different from the armor on that soldier, which is just a reskin of the usual armor.  Might just be Random Alliance Soldier X, with Vega being, perhaps, picked up on Mars as the Normandy heads out-system.  Random Alliance Soldier X, unlike Ashley, probably wouldn't have had to attend Shepard's trial proceedings.

I mean, sure, it could be Vega, which in turn could indicate that the much-maligned catsuit is Ashley's combat clothing, but that seems like jumping to conclusions to me.

Miranda's AAP armor looks radically different from her catsuit. It being just a reskin is lame. 

Random Alliance SoldierX is on board the normandy? And again why would Random Aliance Soldier X be fully armored? Who walks around a peaceful earth in full battle gear?  Then of course why would he be assigned to the Normandy? 

Not to mention Random Alliance Soldier X is holding the widow in a screen. I'm fairly certain it's Vega. Why else would he be on the Normandy? And where else would you expect to met the new guy than right at the beginning of the game? 

Sure, Miri's AAP suit is completely different from her two vanilla in-game appearance packs, and there are minor adjustments to other squadmates, too.  It just seems unlikely that one of the two skins for a unique squadmate will be a reskin of armor that every other Alliance soldier already uses, when everybody else is getting unique clothing and armor and when he himself has unique clothing and armor accessible as another alt-appearance pack.  (Plus, the only other known alternate appearance, Liara's, is more or less a reskin of her regular armor/clothing.)  Again, you're making connections that aren't necessarily there.

I think Random Alliance Soldier X is certainly a viable possibility.  The Normandy SR-1 was thick with them, saluting you all the time, and even the SR-2 had that one guy in the AI Core guarding Legion for the duration of that Legion activation cutscene.  Why wouldn't more space marines be assigned to the Normandy once it's in Alliance hands?  Suppose RAS-X was just standing there, on duty and in armor, when news of the attack came; Normandy swings around, picks up Ashley, and then he goes to the cargo bay to back her up in covering Shep and Anderson as they hightail it out of Dodge.  What's unreasonable about that reconstruction?  I'm not saying it has to happen that way, but it's certainly a possibility, and it lessens the probability of Ash's outfit being her full kit of combat gear.

As for the scene in the trailer with somebody in armor with the Widow, it's rampant speculation to assume it's Vega.  As far as I can tell, the only reason to think that is because a) this person is an Alliance soldier, and "obviously" there are no Alliance soldiers worth mention except Vega and this person is using a Widow, which is a special gun that few humans, if any, can use - never mind NPCs using Claymores and Revenants, the other special guns, all the time in ME2.  (Couldn't the Widow user be Shepard, too?) I mean, isn't it clear that this is a pretty big stretch?

Again, I'm not denying that you could be right - I'm saying that you're jumping to conclusions.

Modifié par daqs, 07 juin 2011 - 06:01 .

[Kitteh303]

I've heard they fixed some of the problems with hair and the animation thereof, so maybe they're trying to show that off? *shrug* It's amazing what an uproar pretty women can create... XD

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It is well established that kinetic barriers alone do not protect against all possible threats.

True enough.  Jenkins.  To quote Kaiden: "Ripped right through his shields.  He never stood a chance."

[jeweledleah]

Phategod1 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Phategod1 wrote...

Do you thikn that mayb just Maybe Ashely didn't have Time to

A. put her hair in a pony tail or bun.

B. put on Heavy Armor.

and that once things calm down you will be able to customize all party members like before.

it takes couple of seconds to pull your hair into a ponytail and you can do it while moving.  it takes even less time to...."gasp"  pull your hair out of your eyes and push it behind your ear.  which is infinitly more practical then blocking your eyesight, while trying to shoot things.

and I guess it also means that the normandy has marines on it that hang out wearing heavy armor at all times, just in case... becasue the marine next to her?  was fully suited up.

we haven't seen how Kaidan is dressed in this occasion, so I'm willing, reluctantly, to give in to "no time for armor" but I just have this...feeling that he'll actualy be wearing some.  just a hunch.

its a long time before the game is out.  we have seen only glimpses.  there are a lot of exciting things about the game so far.  but this character redesign... it makes me worried.

Again you have no Idea what Ashely was doing before the aforementioned scene and that Marine is the new character and may have already been suited up. and as some one who has long hair, just because she would put her hair behind her ear does not mean it would even stay there. especially since shes firing a automatic weapon.

I happen to have long hair of a straight slinky variety, similar to the new texture of Ashleys hair.  I know exactly how long it takes to pull it into a ponytail, or god forbid pin back with a bobbypin (or did they for some strange reason get rid of bobby pins in a future?) and the longer the hair is, the better it stays tucked in behind the ear.  I also have shot weapons at a range so I know that having hair in your eyes is NOT conductive to good aim. 

having hair in your eyes in combat is NOT practical.  its just an excuse to show off a new imrpoved graphic engine... if we're lucky.

[TheKillerAngel]

Materials technology might allow her to wear a suit that affords a decent level of protection while retaining much greater mobility. If that armor is actually metal, Kaidan appears to be wearing what looks like several dozen pounds of gear. Not sure if any of you have humped 10 miles with 80+ lbs on, but it gets tiring.

[jbblue05]

Ash looks great!
I just hope that's her casual outfit

[Ziggy]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Materials technology might allow her to wear a suit that affords a decent level of protection while retaining much greater mobility. If that armor is actually metal, Kaidan appears to be wearing what looks like several dozen pounds of gear. Not sure if any of you have humped 10 miles with 80+ lbs on, but it gets tiring.

Ash is the soldier, Kaiden is the biotic... if anything it should be the other way around. That would fit their personalities much better too.

[Ziggy]

jbblue05 wrote...

Ash looks great!
I just hope that's her casual outfit

Agreed.

[theheadstrong11]

Bioware...

Please keep Ash as the soldier she is. If this is casual, grand. If not then you might've missed the whole "soldier to the core" thing that she preached in ME1. And you made her.

I do have to admit though, she doesn't look too bad.

[Abstract]

theheadstrong11 wrote...

Bioware...

Please keep Ash as the soldier she is. If this is casual, grand. If not then you might've missed the whole "soldier to the core" thing that she preached in ME1. And you made her.

I do have to admit though, she doesn't look too bad.

People change, situations change. In real life people completely go against something they swore they would never change about themselves all the time. It's called not having a static personality.

[Esbatty]

I figure as a Spectre they have access to awesome cutting edge tech so not having to rely on bulky armor so they can be both stealthy yet still massively protected.

[TheKillerAngel]

Em23 wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Materials technology might allow her to wear a suit that affords a decent level of protection while retaining much greater mobility. If that armor is actually metal, Kaidan appears to be wearing what looks like several dozen pounds of gear. Not sure if any of you have humped 10 miles with 80+ lbs on, but it gets tiring.

Ash is the soldier, Kaiden is the biotic... if anything it should be the other way around. That would fit their personalities much better too.

I'm probably going to be called sexist for this but one reason women do not serve as infantry in modern armies is that they lack the same physical capability as men. I have no idea if Ashley is genetically engineered but if she were wearing something very close to Kaidan's suit she would probably tire out rather soon, unless it's a powered outfit. Her default armor in ME1 was nowhere close to being as bulky as what Kaidan was seen sporting.

On Ashley's appearance change I really don't have much of an opinion. 

[Ryzaki]

daqs wrote...
Sure, Miri's AAP suit is completely different from her two vanilla in-game appearance packs, and there are minor adjustments to other squadmates, too.  It just seems unlikely that one of the two skins for a unique squadmate will be a reskin of armor that every other Alliance soldier already uses, when everybody else is getting unique clothing and armor and when he himself has unique clothing and armor accessible as another alt-appearance pack.  (Plus, the only other known alternate appearance, Liara's, is more or less a reskin of her regular armor/clothing.)  Again, you're making connections that aren't necessarily there.

That BW would've bothered to put a squaddie covering Shepard other than a random Mook?  ...That's...not a giant leap of logic. Add that to usingone of the unique guns and yeah. 

Just because one character has a simple reskin as an alternate appearence doesn't mean they *all* do. Miranda and Jack have far more than just reskins. 

I think Random Alliance Soldier X is certainly a viable possibility.  The Normandy SR-1 was thick with them, saluting you all the time, and even the SR-2 had that one guy in the AI Core guarding Legion for the duration of that Legion activation cutscene.  Why wouldn't more space marines be assigned to the Normandy once it's in Alliance hands?  Suppose RAS-X was just standing there, on duty and in armor, when news of the attack came; Normandy swings around, picks up Ashley, and then he goes to the cargo bay to back her up in covering Shep and Anderson as they hightail it out of Dodge.  What's unreasonable about that reconstruction?  I'm not saying it has to happen that way, but it's certainly a possibility, and it lessens the probability of Ash's outfit being her full kit of combat gear.

Except for the fact that random alliance Soldier X was on board the ship when you were originally going on a reconnaisance mission. They had a reason to be on that ship (same with cerberus peps). With the Alliance not believeing Shepard about the Reapers there is *no* reason for fully armed people to be on the ship. Especially not alliance. 

And again who sits around on a ship in peaceful times in full combat gear? The other times they were *expecting* battle.  (and heck even the Cerberus people aren't armored in ship!) 

As for the scene in the trailer with somebody in armor with the Widow, it's rampant speculation to assume it's Vega.  As far as I can tell, the only reason to think that is because a) this person is an Alliance soldier, and "obviously" there are no Alliance soldiers worth mention except Vega and this person is using a Widow, which is a special gun that few humans, if any, can use - never mind NPCs using Claymores and Revenants, the other special guns, all the time in ME2.  (Couldn't the Widow user be Shepard, too?) I mean, isn't it clear that this is a pretty big stretch?

Again, I'm not denying that you could be right - I'm saying that you're jumping to conclusions.

 

Why would Shepard be using the same outfit as the mook who saved him on ship?  That makes no sense. Shepard's armor (especially since BioWare went there "unique outfits.") branch is unique. They wouldn't have someone wearing the same outfit as Shepard. 

They're not large jumps though. 

And the point stands...if random mook is fully armored (to the point of having a helmet on ) why on earth isn't Ashley? If they all fled the trial at the same time did the two of them get seperated? Why? 

Him being a random mook would explain his face being covered (but so would BW not being sure on his final look [face wise] as well) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juin 2011 - 06:35 .

[Manic Sheep]

Abstract wrote...

theheadstrong11 wrote...

Bioware...

Please keep Ash as the soldier she is. If this is casual, grand. If not then you might've missed the whole "soldier to the core" thing that she preached in ME1. And you made her.

I do have to admit though, she doesn't look too bad.

People change, situations change. In real life people completely go against something they swore they would never change about themselves all the time. It's called not having a static personality.

Did Ashley get shot in the head and lose all common sense? Funny how it’s the girl who they decided to change like that.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 07 juin 2011 - 06:17 .

[Abstract]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Abstract wrote...

theheadstrong11 wrote...

Bioware...

Please keep Ash as the soldier she is. If this is casual, grand. If not then you might've missed the whole "soldier to the core" thing that she preached in ME1. And you made her.

I do have to admit though, she doesn't look too bad.

People change, situations change. In real life people completely go against something they swore they would never change about themselves all the time. It's called not having a static personality.

Did Ashley get shot in the head and lose all common sense? Funny how it’s the girl who they decided to change like that.

Funny how some people love to jump on every opportunity to alledge sexism.

[Ziggy]

Abstract wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Abstract wrote...

theheadstrong11 wrote...

Bioware...

Please keep Ash as the soldier she is. If this is casual, grand. If not then you might've missed the whole "soldier to the core" thing that she preached in ME1. And you made her.

I do have to admit though, she doesn't look too bad.

People change, situations change. In real life people completely go against something they swore they would never change about themselves all the time. It's called not having a static personality.

Did Ashley get shot in the head and lose all common sense? Funny how it’s the girl who they decided to change like that.

Funny how some people love to jump on every opportunity to alledge sexism.

Somehow I doubt it was a totally random decision. It is very unlike Ashley to value her looks more than her life. It's not a believable natural personality development imo.

edit: if this is her casual outfit it's great, if it's also her combat outfit it's really not.

Modifié par Em23, 07 juin 2011 - 06:36 .

[Iwantobelieve]

She's too sexy.


/thread

[ddman12]

Somehow I doubt it was a totally random decision. It is very unlike Ashley to value her looks more than her life. It's not a believable natural personality development imo.

I would respectfully disagree. In ME1 didn't Ash say something to Shep about how she'd like to show him some moves when you cross the dance floor? That didn't sound like someone who wouldn't let her hair down when given the opportunity. Besides, she is now a spectre. As a spectre she may have to...let's say use her charms to get info that she needs. What did that asari spectre wear in LOTSB? Does anyone remember cuz it been a while since I played.

[Aimi]

Ryzaki wrote...

That BW would've bothered to put a squaddie covering Shepard other than a random Mook?  ...That's...not a giant leap of logic. Add that to usingone of the unique guns and yeah. 

Just because one character has a simple reskin as an alternate appearence doesn't mean they *all* do. Miranda and Jack have far more than just reskins.

I think it is a leap.  The only other time something like that has happened was when Joker covered Shep and the squad on the way out of the Collector Base, and that was because Joker is the only human guaranteed to survive that mission.  Outside of that, there's no reason to assume that squadmates should be the only ones to show up covering Shep.  Considering the appearance of mooks elsewhere in the gameplay footage (like the salarians - STG? - on Shur'Kesh), I think there's a very strong possibility that that person's a mook.  You see, there's quite a bit of difference between "having two separate skins for squadmate appearance" - something that's quite reasonable - and having one of those two skins just be a bog-standard Alliance uniform, which isn't.  Since ME2, Shep's squadmates have stood out compared to normal goons - making them more identifiable, giving them more personality, helping players connect to the squadmates in a way that they wouldn't do to the average mook -which is why Grunt's armor reskins don't look like the rest of the krogan armor you see in ME2, or why Tali's suit isn't the same as the rest of the female quarians'.

Except for the fact that random alliance Soldier X was on board the ship when you were originally going on a reconnaisance mission. They had a reason to be on that ship (same with cerberus peps). With the Alliance not believeing Shepard about the Reapers there is *no* reason for fully armed people to be on the ship. Especially not alliance. 

And again who sits around on a ship in peaceful times in full combat gear? The other times they were *expecting* battle.  (and heck even the Cerberus people aren't armored in ship!)

You seem confused.  Why wouldn't the Alliance station armed marines on a vessel of war, especially a prototype of its class loaded to the gills with experimental technology and with a history of having been owned and operated by a notable terrorist organization?  It has nothing to do with the so-called peacetime state - and, considering that the Alliance is engaged in combat actions in the Traverse all the time, I wouldn't call it "peacetime" anyway.  When modern nations are at peace, they still don't leave their naval vessels completely unstaffed and unguarded.  Space marines make up part of the normal complement of an Alliance frigate's crew.  Random Alliance Soldier X has every reason to be there already, on watch, when the alarms go off and the gigantic fleet of superintelligent evil dreadnoughts enters Earth's atmosphere.

Why would Shepard be using the same outfit as the mook who saved him on ship?  That makes no sense. Shepard's armor (especially since BioWare went there "unique outfits.") branch is unique. They wouldn't have someone wearing the same outfit as Shepard.

So if Shep gets a unique outfit, and Ashley gets a unique outfit, why doesn't the alleged Vega?  You're not being consistent.

And the point stands...if random mook is fully armored (to the point of having a helmet on ) why on earth isn't Ashley? If they all fled the trial at the same time did the two of them get seperated? Why? 

Um, I specifically elaborated in the hypothetical scenario that Random Alliance Soldier X didn't attend the trial - he was on the Normandy when the attack hit, as part of normal guard duties, and was thus ready to back up Ashley when she gave Shep and Anderson covering fire.

[jeweledleah]

ddman12 wrote...


Somehow I doubt it was a totally random decision. It is very unlike Ashley to value her looks more than her life. It's not a believable natural personality development imo.

I would respectfully disagree. In ME1 didn't Ash say something to Shep about how she'd like to show him some moves when you cross the dance floor? That didn't sound like someone who wouldn't let her hair down when given the opportunity. Besides, she is now a spectre. As a spectre she may have to...let's say use her charms to get info that she needs. What did that asari spectre wear in LOTSB? Does anyone remember cuz it been a while since I played.

Ashley is not the sort of person o use her... charms to get information.  she's more likely to use her fists.  more over being a spectre doesn't remove comon sence.  lastly Tela Vasir wore actual armor (couldn't find good picture of her, so here it is, modded onto femshepard)

and as an asari, she was primarily a biotic NOT a soldier like Ashley, so she could get away with lighter armor.  vanguards in ME1 used to be able to wear medium armor after training.  Soldiers went with medium and could train heavy.
and the hair in her face, its just silly.

[Ryzaki]

daqs wrote...
I think it is a leap.  The only other time something like that has happened was when Joker covered Shep and the squad on the way out of the Collector Base, and that was because Joker is the only human guaranteed to survive that mission.  Outside of that, there's no reason to assume that squadmates should be the only ones to show up covering Shep.  Considering the appearance of mooks elsewhere in the gameplay footage (like the salarians - STG? - on Shur'Kesh), I think there's a very strong possibility that that person's a mook.  You see, there's quite a bit of difference between "having two separate skins for squadmate appearance" - something that's quite reasonable - and having one of those two skins just be a bog-standard Alliance uniform, which isn't.  Since ME2, Shep's squadmates have stood out compared to normal goons - making them more identifiable, giving them more personality, helping players connect to the squadmates in a way that they wouldn't do to the average mook -which is why Grunt's armor reskins don't look like the rest of the krogan armor you see in ME2, or why Tali's suit isn't the same as the rest of the female quarians'.

 

Where do we see other alliance soldiers in that getup? 

You seem confused.  Why wouldn't the Alliance station armed marines on a vessel of war, especially a prototype of its class loaded to the gills with experimental technology and with a history of having been owned and operated by a notable terrorist organization?  It has nothing to do with the so-called peacetime state - and, considering that the Alliance is engaged in combat actions in the Traverse all the time, I wouldn't call it "peacetime" anyway.  When modern nations are at peace, they still don't leave their naval vessels completely unstaffed and unguarded.  Space marines make up part of the normal complement of an Alliance frigate's crew.  Random Alliance Soldier X has every reason to be there already, on watch, when the alarms go off and the gigantic fleet of superintelligent evil dreadnoughts enters Earth's atmosphere.

 

They're sitting on EARTH. They are not in the Traverse. They are surronded by the alliance military (as well Earth's defense systems) there is no threat to combat. Anything that would get that close is pretty much unthinkable (which is why the Reaper attack probably hits so hard so fast. No one was expecting it save Shep and a few other people). 

That said. Fine. You have a point with them being on there to check out Cerberus' tweaks to the ship. 

So if Shep gets a unique outfit, and Ashley gets a unique outfit, why doesn't the alleged Vega?  You're not being consistent.

And just because his armor has the alliance symbol doesn't mean it's not unique. 

Um, I specifically elaborated in the hypothetical scenario that Random Alliance Soldier X didn't attend the trial - he was on the Normandy when the attack hit, as part of normal guard duties, and was thus ready to back up Ashley when she gave Shep and Anderson covering fire.

 

So...what Ashley and Shepard are seperated beforehand. During the whole time Shepard is running with Anderson to get to the radio she's what? Sitting on the normandy painting her nails instead of changing into combat gear to deal with the giant robots that just landed?  She also can't be bothered to tie her hair? (as someone with long hair it's not difficult and it takes a second. And is vastly preferable to having hair in your eyes when trying to see).  

Really? 

 

Edit: That said why am I arguing this? I don't have to see this she's dead in all my games.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 juin 2011 - 06:58 .