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Xeranx wrote...

Yes, but they always come down on their heel.  I was a fast kid, but I never ran on balls of my feet like I was instructed to do later in life.  I probably would have been faster.  I do remember not having endurance to finish a mile in high school and I was told to run the straightaways and walk the curves.  The only time my heels touched the ground were on the walks.  Eventually I could complete a mile, but after some time I developed pain in my shins.  All because I stayed on the balls of my feet.

Now I've seen runners and they always land on their heels.  When you run, you run from heel to toe.  Usually I hear it as heel-toe or something like that.  That says to me that you take your entire foot into account when you run.  I can't see someone pulling something like that off on wedges with the same accuracy and precision you can with sneakers.  The image posted by Nohvarr show the heel of the sneaker being no more than an inch off the ground.  Even then, the whole shoe is in the same line.  There isn't a mid or high angle of the foot like depicted on Ashely.  And still there's the shock-like pieces that add support and make the sneaker more in line with itself.  

I've asked if you or any woman would do the same things in wedges (as depicted on Ashely) as you would in sneakers.  Can you do that?  Comfortably as you would with sneakers?  Would you get the same stability?  


Jogging yes, sprinting always stay on the toe. Anyways we are so off topic, Im saying there is no wedge or very little as shown in nohvarrs pics, so it wouldnt really matter. All it is is the reinforced heel making it look liek a wedge.

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Ashley definitely looks like she's wearing the "nike" of the future. The heels are slightly elevated to add dampen the weight when one steps (I think that your heel absorbs 3x your body weight with each step) and transfer the momentum to your toes to let you continue moving. I am a man, but I enjoy track and all of my shoes follow that same design... in fact I have at least one pair that is even more elevated than Ash's shoes and yet they are extremely comfortable.

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I hope BioWare won't change her and this outfit of hers. It's kind of awesome. Simplest solution would be another set acquirable through something similar to ME2's loyalty missions. But instead of just recolouring and adding some extra things to the default armor it would be a new set for those who want her to be overly realistic. And of course, the CE offers a bonus set for Ashley, Liara, Kaidan and James.

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Nohvarr wrote...

Shepard is a superhuman,

You guys really reach sometimes in your adamant defense of Bioware. How about this then, will ANY of the male characters have heels as high as the ones Ashley has, or toes as narrow as hers? Probably not. It's a femme thing, not an army thing.

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Dangerfoot wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Shepard is a superhuman,

You guys really reach sometimes in your adamant defense of Bioware. How about this then, will ANY of the male characters have heels as high as the ones Ashley has, or toes as narrow as hers? Probably not. It's a femme thing, not an army thing.


Speaking of which why do you think she looks more feminine now? Just curious to hear what you think.

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Nohvarr wrote...

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How are Ashley's shoes any similar to the sneakers shown? From that angle I gather they are slimmed up front, which not only cramps your toes but lessens your contact with the ground (= less stability). Also, the heels are so wedge heels. Can you not see the strained angle on them? Plus, seeing as the pad area is so very slim I doubt they are very comfortable in the long run. 

Also, speaking as a woman who has worn high heels in different shapes and sizes, I can confirm that even what appears to be not a very high heel gets very uncomfortable after a while. 

*sigh* But what do I care. Ash is dead in most of my saves. :devil:

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Genshie wrote...

Dangerfoot wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Shepard is a superhuman,

You guys really reach sometimes in your adamant defense of Bioware. How about this then, will ANY of the male characters have heels as high as the ones Ashley has, or toes as narrow as hers? Probably not. It's a femme thing, not an army thing.


Speaking of which why do you think she looks more feminine now? Just curious to hear what you think.

Well, you've got her wedges, her exposed sternum showing in her armor, her hair let down, plus they gave her face a little make-over. A lot of people chose Ashley because she wasn't that kind of character.

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Machazareel wrote...

People are raging and claiming people that like Ashley's new look are sexists who think women are only meant to be looked at and sexed up. They're saying she's been retconned and her character destroyed.

They're judging her character on how she looks. She can't possibly be strongwilled, independant and tough as nails because she let her hair down and is wearing a different outfit. Who's being sexist, really?


Oh yes. The way a character dresses has nothing to do with their actual character nor does it say nothing about them. I suppose Anderson being a serious military officer could just have aviators, be running around in shorts, and wearing a Hawaiian shirt the entire game. I mean why not? Your case is it their character is what matters, not the way they dress.

Jack Nicholoson as a serious Marine Officer:
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I dunno maybe you're right. Maybe Ashley's character has been changed from being a serious tough-as-nails gun toting Marine into more of femme fatale secret agent who uses her lady-like charms to her advantage now. And this all happens after Horizon eh? I'd say this is rather poor character development then.

Kaidan on the other hand actually started wearing medium armor, so it's a tad more acceptable in his case with his look in ME3. The ironic thing here is that Kaidan is wearing more armor then Ashley. In fact all the male Characters so far shown have been wearing noticeably more armor then female characters.

So only men wear heavy plated armor huh? Yeah that's not sexist.

Of course I dunno maybe you think all women wearing skirts and all men wearing pants isn't sexist either? And that people who simply perceive them that as such are the actual sexists?

Machazareel wrote...

Ashley can dress however the hell she wants. We have no idea what kind of ops she's been doing as of late, perhaps she's been doing less stuff that would have heavy armor as an optimal choice? We don't know, and we won't know for quite some time. Chillax, people. Do we even know that 'soldier' is her class anymore? She's a spectre now, time has passed. She may have focused her training elsewhere to better fit what she is doing now.


Yep Ashley is going to be dressed however the hell Bioware wants. Sadly Bioware is dressing her to be their "hot" poster girl once again. They're not even being that modest about it anymore. In which case why not just do something like this:

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Just giver her gun and you'll be all set. If the point of characters is for them to be eye candy why not just go all the way with it then? Either be serious about it or don't.

The worse thing is, it is horribly out of character for her as a female soldier. If you had Ashley in your squad at all during ME1and actually listened to what she said you'd know this isn't in her character. I'd have an easier time believing Garrus is now a Medical Doctor in ME3, rather then a Renegade Turian Sniper like he's always been.

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I can't be arsed to read through the whole thread.

Just want to throw some comments.

On the pic/scene where Shepard jumps aboard the normandy and Ash and another dude is there to receive him: The guy is in full bodyarmor with helmet, Ash is in full 'pull customers gear' with loose hair. They're both performing the same action, with the same amount of preperation, yet have vastly different outfits.

I guess they took cues from the people that said that if Ash wanted a chance with Shepard again, she'd need to be prepared to stand up against Miranda (I'll freely admit I'm guilty as charged of this). The problem here, though, seems to be that there happened a short fuse somewhere in some head that made it impossible for the people in charge of the project to figure out the difference of prepping for a fight in the war of love and the war of bullets. They're not the same, and you don't dress the same for both scenarios... If anything, Ash would know this and I just can't feel comfortable with the direction things are going as far as writing goes with the info we get every now and then.

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Seriously, Bioware?
The success of the first two games basically guarantee that this one will do great, and yet you still fall back on TnA?
With Ash of all characters?

Real classy.

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Ashley's heels will clearly serve the important purpose of causing her to twist an ankle while running away, thus allowing Shepard to play the hero and rescue her.

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I´ve not lost all hope, maybe the alt app for Ash is proper armor.

I agree the one they´ve shown is OOC for her.

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Omg who really cares about her shoes?? Who cares if she looks too sexy. It's not the first time they've done this. Don't you remember some of the portraits from BG2? Jaheira was totally hot. Don't remember complaints there.

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I like the new ''Barbie'' Ashley... the ME1-2's felt like it was a frickin' dog or something... even if it doesn't really respect the character's personnality, wich I hated, it is obviously a better design choice.

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TheKillerAngel wrote...

This whole thread is absurd.


Seconded

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MACharlie1

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If Kaidan is dressed in heavy armor, I'm betting Ash will be too.

Know what'd be really awesome? Instead of basic alternate appearances, we customize from top to bottom on the squad. We can add/remove different plates based on what we want. If someone really wants Ashley running around in her jumpsuit, they get to. If they want Ash in armor from the top of head to her toes, they can too. Not likely but I can dream can't I?

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I can't believe you guys spent pages discussing a goddamn shoe and its structure, from a single blurry screenshot, and whether or not it is 'realistic' for a soldier to wear such a shoe.

Get a grip of yourselves, people.

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Haristo wrote...

I like the new ''Barbie'' Ashley... the ME1-2's felt like it was a frickin' dog or something... even if it doesn't really respect the character's personnality, wich I hated, it is obviously a better design choice.


"Obviously a better design choice" ???

It's a better design choice to have a character form an earlier installment appear and then basicly ignore what the character was about?

Why not just make a new character instead if you aren't going to accept the first character for who or what it was in the first place then?

Better design choice my hairy rear-end.

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it's a good thing I finally managed a "faithful" play-through of mass effect 2

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What gets me is that the people who support this change are making posts like horny dogs. Ugh.

Cleavage, skin-tight, hair down.... Come on! Ashley is a soldier, she had her hair in a bun for practical reasons! Its one thing to shoot in a practice range, its an entirely different situation to have your hair down in a heated firefight for the survival of the human race.

Then cleavage.... Ashley made fun of light armor on more than one occasion. She showed disdain to the Asari commando's choice of armor, and made light of the old sci-fi depiction of casual wear.

Then they take Kaiden, one of the few people in the game who couldn't wear any armor worth talking about, and made him look like a freaking tank in body armor. They also take Liara, another such character who didn't wear real armor, and gave her some armor that at least looks like it can stop bullets.

Ugh.

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jeweledleah wrote...

I happen to have long hair of a
straight slinky variety, similar to the new texture of Ashleys hair.  I know exactly how long it takes to pull it into a ponytail, or god forbidpin back with a bobbypin (or did they for some strange reason get rid of bobby pins in a future?) and the longer the hair is, the better it stays tucked in behind the ear.  I also have shot weapons at a range so I know that having hair in your eyes is NOT conductive to good aim. 

having hair in your eyes in combat is NOT practical.  its just an excuse to show off a new imrpoved graphic engine... if we're lucky.


As former soldier I had few thoughts about Ashleys new look.
Situations on battlefield are very different compared to shooting range. You propably don't want anything, even a single hair in your field of vision when you are aiming, especially when using a weapon that uses diopter like sights. You are most likely moving. Moving can be walking, jogging, running, jumping, diving, getting up, leaning... your head moves as well. 0.3 seconds spent to move hair from your face may cost not only your own life but also life of your squadmate(s). Then there is sweat that glues things like hair on your face.

MACharlie1 wrote...

Try aiming a gun without closing your weaker eye. Ashley's hair is only swept in front of one. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Then again, I'm basing this off a few archery classes. 


Try hitting a target that is moving towards or away from you like that.

Xeranx wrote...

Now I've seen runners and they always land on their heels. When you run, you run from heel to toe.  Usually I hear
it as heel-toe or something like that.  That says to me that you take your entire foot into account when you run.  I can't see someone pulling something like that off on wedges with the same accuracy and precision you can with sneakers.  The image posted by Nohvarr show the heel of the sneaker being no more than an inch off the ground.  Even then, the whole shoe is in the same line.  There isn't a mid or high angle of the foot like depicted on Ashely.  And still there's the shock-like pieces that add support and make the sneaker more in line with itself.  

I've asked if you or any woman would do the same things in wedges (as depicted on Ashely) as you would in sneakers.  Can you do that?  Comfortably as you would with sneakers?  Would you get the same stability?  


Spot on and soldiers do helluva lot of more than just run.
You want shoes that give you maximum stability and work in many kind of environments and you aren't the one who can always decide where the battle is going to happen. Even in a city, fallen bricks, shattered glass on pavements, all kind of rubble and depbris can be under your feets. You don't want shoes with heels, or wegdes or whatever they are called. You want something that protects your feet and ankles.

And those been few pics how Ashleys shoes looks like runnings shoes. To be honest, I don't see that either.


What comes to Ashley as character and her new "sexier" outlook there are things I can buy and things I can't. Hair and shoes are things I can't buy and overall, compromise between femine and practical seems to be bit too much on feminine side.
It's been said by many, that because she is now a specte she may now choose to wear something else because of that, but I can't buy it because for very reason that as a spectre she can choose what she wears, how ske keeps her hair etc. and Ashley wouldn't choose feminine over practical if it's up to her ever.
If she were Alliance soldier I can totally imagine her reading a brief and face palming while reading something like:  "Because this mission A requires someone to scout location B before troops can move in scout should dress in miniskirts and bla bla bla... "
I can imagine that after all that face palming she would do something she wouldn't do in normal circumstances, going to ask from her superior officer if this crap is really necessary? She is a marine, aren't there really anybody else to sent?
But she would do it. She would hate it, she might swear when getting stockings in her feet, for a spiritual person swear even more when getting into miniskirt and high heels or whatever and looking herself from the mirror, but she would do it to ensure troops safety, because her sense of duty.

As a spectre that are allowed lot of freedom in a way how they perform their missions, no. She could wear something that is appropiate of occasion, but never anything that is so inpractical that it might endanger her mission, her own safety or even public safety.

Doesn't ruin ME3 for me, but when I look those pictures, I just wonder, if this was really necessary. Customising options for squadmate outfits sound good for me though.

Edit: Quotes and some text.

Modifié par ZLurps, 07 juin 2011 - 06:29 .


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Nashiktal wrote...

Ugh.

Pretty much my thoughts on it.

Normally, I wouldn't care, this gets done alot (and often worse) in games, but considering the first did such a good job of it, ME2, and now this is.. really damn irritating.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 07 juin 2011 - 06:30 .


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Just a thought... If you knew someone who wore the same outfit day in and day out for over four years what would you think of them?

Why shouldn't the same logic apply to Ashley? Why would she continue to wear the EXACT hair style and armor she four years...

Good god people my wife changes her hairstyle and color every 8 months....

EDIT:  But keep talking about shoes and posting pictures trying to prove what the one grainy photo, which is a still, pulled from a cutscene is displaying.

Modifié par aftohsix, 07 juin 2011 - 06:33 .


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The unimportance of this issue relative to what's going on in the game is rather entertaining.