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[Jack_cerberus]

KnossosTNC wrote...

I noticed something at the very beginning of the E3 live press conference.



My thought at the time: She looks to be a squad member or a familiar acquaintance of Shepard. Wait, there's something familiar about her. Is that... ...Ashley Williams?

She looks good.

RACIST **** SAYS WHAT???

[Nohvarr]

iakus wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Because they can't aford the expensive, but highly mobile gear, unlike say a Human Spectre.

My human Spectre in ME 1 was a millionaire and couldn't get any of that stuff. 

Because it hadn't been made yet. Did you think the Alliances R&D group just sat on their butts for two years twiddling their collective thumbs?

[Iwantobelieve]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Just because armor is not rigid does not mean it lacks protective qualities.

So why do people in tha game wear heavy armor ? 

There are different grades of body armor, and different people have different needs and preferences. Not everybody runs around in the suits EOD crews might don, even if it offers maximum protection. Heavy armor might offer more protection but you'd also tire out more quickly while wearing it, unless the armor is powered (which I shall assume is the case in ME). Even if the armor is powered, it is still bulky and can restrict movement in tight spaces. In such situations, the relative benefit of wearing lighter armor may exceed the absolute defensive benefit of wearing heavy armor.

Ya, and she put silicon implants for more protection and all. Technology, technology, technology.

Why you guys don't just stop trying so hard tu explain...

[TheKillerAngel]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

I get it. Catsuit is the future !

In all seriousness, if we could create materials that were as thin and flexible as spandex but offered the same protective properties as ceramic plates, we'd use them. There is no reason to take on extra weight if you don't need it.



I have no idea how he moves in that.

Ya, and she put silicon implants for more protection and all. Technology, technology, technology.

Why you guys don't just stop trying so hard tu explain...

That's a straw man - we weren't discussing her cup size. And I heard they use saline now. But if you want me to respond to that, Ashley used a stock body model in ME1, and I don't think elaborating or developing on her appearance in ME3 necessarily contradicts anything if that was the original vision the artists had, but did not implement due to constraints or limitations. 

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 08 juin 2011 - 01:39 .

[Iwantobelieve]

I'm guessing this """" new technology""""armor model is just for females, cos Kaidan cand put it.

Hoh aliens, those perverts.

[Nohvarr]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Just because armor is not rigid does not mean it lacks protective qualities.

So why do people in tha game wear heavy armor ? 

There are different grades of body armor, and different people have different needs and preferences. Not everybody runs around in the suits EOD crews might don, even if it offers maximum protection. Heavy armor might offer more protection but you'd also tire out more quickly while wearing it, unless the armor is powered (which I shall assume is the case in ME). Even if the armor is powered, it is still bulky and can restrict movement in tight spaces. In such situations, the relative benefit of wearing lighter armor may exceed the absolute defensive benefit of wearing heavy armor.

Ya, and she put silicon implants for more protection and all. Technology, technology, technology.

Why you guys don't just stop trying so hard tu explain...

Just as soon as you stop trying so hard to find fault.

[TheKillerAngel]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

I'm guessing this """" new technology""""armor model is just for females, cos Kaidan cand put it.

Hoh aliens, those perverts.

Well, Jacob and Thane wear rather light, form-fitting outfits. As I said earlier, I think with the case of high-tech armor whose material properties are unknown to us, trying to turn things into a "heavy is always better than light" or vice versa kind of argument is stupid. Different armor types are for different purposes or preferences.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 08 juin 2011 - 01:43 .

[Iwantobelieve]

I'll stop when you'll admit that her new look is just for sex-appeal.

[Iakus]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Why aint seen another Spectre in catsuit ? :/

Nihlus
Saren
Shepard
Tela Vasir
Kaidan

All wear/wore armor that looks like armor

Ash:  quasi catsuit

What's wrong with this picture?

[Sora Shepard]

I'm not sure how many female players there are here, and I'm pretty sure we're such a small part of the population that Bioware doesn't really care what we think, but here's what I think. Now, I personally love clothes, cute shoes, dressing up, the whole nine yards, and have the closet to prove it. I think that Ashley looks both great AND totally out of character, whether she is in casual wear or in some sort of lightweight armor.

The zip-up catsuit is surprising, but more so (to me) is her hairstyle. While I am gratified that Bioware appears to be getting better at doing female hair (although they're still doing the weird, super-low side parts -- not sure what's up with those), the style that Ashley is sporting is rather impractical. Hair doesn't do that unless you spend quite some time blowing it out and styling it to fall just so, and once you get your hair to do this sort of thing, it's the kind of hairstyle where you're afraid to touch it or move too much lest it end up all out of place. It's also not a very professional style -- more something that you would wear out to dinner, or on the red carpet -- so it would be an unusual choice to wear to a military trial, much less for everyday wear. Miranda's long hairstyle was actually more realistic than this, as it didn't look all that styled, just long.

As for the catsuit, my first reaction was "that looks really cool, if I had any reason to wear something like that I totally would." My second reaction was "that is so not Ashley." It is possible that this is some sort of standard Alliance Navy blues for female officers, I suppose (which would make it akin to the tiny short skirts that the female military members wear in the Star Trek universe) and I guess I could go with that as long as the male uniforms were similarly form fitting -- I could buy that they are styled like athletic clothing and designed to give the wearer some freedom of movement. But if it's just a personal clothing choice on her part it just doesn't seem like her. There is clearly a zipper up the front, indicating that the top is made of some sort of leathery or rubbery material. To me this outfit looks more like something that a female motorcyclist might wear in a heavy metal video than a military or combat uniform. I mean, don't get me wrong -- I think it looks very, very cool -- but it just doesn't seem right. I'm not going to get into the shoe thing (I can't really tell anything from the photos posted here) but I can say that any sort of elevated heel is the last thing you want in practical footwear, even if you are female and you are used to wearing heels.

I'm not going to jump to any conclusions about what Bioware may or may not have done to Ashley's character based on a few seconds of gameplay footage. What I will say is that part of the reason I love the ME franchise, as a female player, is that its original treatment of female characters (in ME1) was so very, very well done. Gender was not ignored, but both genders were treated equally. FemShep and Ashley were both feminine-looking, attractive characters without being overt sex objects, who were unquestionably competent military officers and operatives -- kind of the way women were portrayed in Starship Troopers (the movie, I've never read the book). They weren't simple eye candy, like Lara Croft (a female protagonist designed for use by male gamers) or Miranda (enough said there). This treatment, among many other attributes, is what drew me to the ME universe and allowed me to become immersed in it, as I had utterly failed to do with most other game franchises (with the exception of Fallout) that forced me to play from the POV of a 17 yo male. It was really quite refreshing.

I am hoping that ME3 retains the formula and worldview that worked so well for ME1, and retreats a bit from, well, what they did to some of the female characters (but thankfully not FemShep) in ME2.  (I don't like that she turned into a sexual predator re: Jacob, but that's a different problem.)  There are about a million other video games out there that overly sexualize and exploit female characters, and ME has shown that it doesn't have to be one of them to achieve ridiculous heights of success, both in terms of critical acclaim and commercial success. I'm going to reserve judgment on Ashley's character until the game actually comes out, but I really hope that I recognize her when I meet her again (in the playthroughs she isn't dead in, that is).

Modifié par Sora Shepard, 08 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[Iwantobelieve]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

I'm guessing this """" new technology""""armor model is just for females, cos Kaidan cand put it.

Hoh aliens, those perverts.

Well, Jacob and Thane wear rather light, form-fitting outfits. As I said earlier, I think with the case of high-tech armor whose material properties are unknown to us, trying to turn things into a "heavy is always better than light" or vice versa kind of argument is stupid. Different armor types are for different purposes or preferences.

Miranda, Jack, Samara are supposed to  be overpowered biotics/ genetically modified.
Thane is supposed to be a stealth assassin.


A soldier = armor and guns. 
Ash in ME1 = armor and guns.



You may try harder to make a rational explanation to her "sexy suit", it will still look lame and retcon.


Peace out.

[TheKillerAngel]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

I'll stop when you'll admit that her new look is just for sex-appeal.

I'm not denying that's the case, but I think criticising her outfit on the grounds that it is flimsy or does not offer adequate protection is a little short sighted. A knight might look at modern infantry and not think they are wearing any armor.

[Ryzaki]

Whatever's Ash is wearing I want dude SHep to be able to wear it.

And he should totally look like this in it:

It's for flexibility and he has shields.  :innocent:
 

[Nohvarr]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

I'll stop when you'll admit that her new look is just for sex-appeal.

Then neither of us is stopping any time soon.

[Sora Shepard]

TheKillerAngel wrote...
Well, Jacob and Thane wear rather light, form-fitting outfits.

I may be alone in this, but I found Jacob's and Thane's outfits to be just as ridiculous as Miranda's and Jack's.  I guess the eye candy thing does go both ways.  To me the take-home message for Bioware is that clothing and armor should be believable no matter the gender of the wearer.

[Iakus]

Sora Shepard wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...
Well, Jacob and Thane wear rather light, form-fitting outfits.

I may be alone in this, but I found Jacob's and Thane's outfits to be just as ridiculous as Miranda's and Jack's.  I guess the eye candy thing does go both ways.  To me the take-home message for Bioware is that clothing and armor should be believable no matter the gender of the wearer.

You're not alone.

Look at the "pure warrior" tpyes in ME2:

Grunt
Zaeed

Those armors are kinda piecemeal, but they're still a lot closer to what Ash should be wearing.

[Fusiox]

Urrrrgh. Heels. Fine, I admit they don't look too bad if done correctly, but in full body armor? Please, get some boots on before your trip or something!

Other than that, I have no objections. Good job, BioWare!

And about the comments saying "It isn't Ashley's style,"... if you were a male Shep and you romanced Ash, perhaps she's doing it on purpose, don't you think? You know, to change your mind about whoever you may have... ahem, "confided in" during your time on the SR-2. Other than that, I guess the comment's pretty valid.

[Yakko77]

The only thing people complain about on the internet more than politics is video games. I'm truly convinced of this fact. Ashley looks great IMO. Sheesh, some of you see a 2 second shot of her in a trailer and you freak out. CHILL!!!

[Fusiox]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

That is a Space Marine. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but if humanity decided to go all Warhammer and deck their marines in two-and-a-half tons of ceramic steel plating, I would be totally up for it. Consider it to be "psychological warfare"; I certainly wouldn't like to be facing a 8-foot hulking metal behemoth by itself, let alone an entire regiment of them.

But that's just me.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Whatever happened to armour for our characters?

[Iakus]

Fusiox wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

That is a Space Marine. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but if humanity decided to go all Warhammer and deck their marines in two-and-a-half tons of ceramic steel plating, I would be totally up for it. Consider it to be "psychological warfare"; I certainly wouldn't like to be facing a 8-foot hulking metal behemoth by itself, let alone an entire regiment of them.

But that's just me.

That wouldn't be appropriate for some of the characters.

For Ash, though...maybe...

[KiraTsukasa]

Fusiox wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

That is a Space Marine. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but if humanity decided to go all Warhammer and deck their marines in two-and-a-half tons of ceramic steel plating, I would be totally up for it. Consider it to be "psychological warfare"; I certainly wouldn't like to be facing a 8-foot hulking metal behemoth by itself, let alone an entire regiment of them.

But that's just me.

The reason why Ashley's grandfather surrendered is never explained. It's probably this.

[Iwantobelieve]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

I'll stop when you'll admit that her new look is just for sex-appeal.

I'm not denying that's the case, but I think criticising her outfit on the grounds that it is flimsy or does not offer adequate protection is a little short sighted. A knight might look at modern infantry and not think they are wearing any armor.

We can't talk about "protection and stuff" for a video game nobody really cares. What we can do is compare it to the rest of the game background and what have been done so far, and see if it's still coherent.

Is it coherent that a Soldier has a light-light-armor ?

Two possibilities:

1. Yes, it's new tech, Spectre, blabla. 
Common sense: Not likely.
The questions it raises:
Why isn't Kaidan waring it as well ? 

2. No, it's just an attemt to make her "stylish", but Bioware, beeing mostly males, they implyed that a stylish female HAS TO BE a sex bomb.
Comon sense: Very likely, Bioware is doing this more and more often.
The questions it raises: 
Goes it with the character personality ?

[ScepticMatt]

ME2 Style fanservice with Ashley in tight wear and Kaedan in Heavy Armor?
With 0-day Armor DLC 


I will wait for more details because I cannot keep the cool at the moment,
but I'm seriously feeling the RRRAAAAGGGE inside right now