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[Massadonious1]

That was your whole point, wasn't it? To use EA as a slight so others will notice? No need to get snippy, I'm just admiring your handiwork.

[onelifecrisis]

Argh! Everyone is missing the most important question! What conditioner is she using?

[Baldrick67]

Amazing how people are freaking out over a 2 second appearance in a gameplay clip.

I'm just glad she's back in ME3 and hopefully as a full squad member.

[LPPrince]

Oh, she's confirmed already to be a full squad member. No need to hope, cause she's back full time.

[Persephone]

Babli wrote...

Congratulations BiowEAr, you ruined Ashley for me. Thanks.

Based on 2-3 seconds......

Yeesh, have you played the game already or something?

[LPPrince]

Jumping to conclusions happens a lot around here. Its still early. People need to be patient and wait for more information to trickle out. Or they could just go on a media blackout and hope for the best 9 months later.

ME3 will be born and it'll be pretty.

[DieHigh2012]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Congratulations BiowEAr, you ruined Ashley for me. Thanks.

Really? How so? I always found her to be quite unikeable because of her bigotry and racism.

What? She liked Anderson last time I checked...

[theelementslayer]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Congratulations BiowEAr, you ruined Ashley for me. Thanks.

Really? How so? I always found her to be quite unikeable because of her bigotry and racism.

What? She liked Anderson last time I checked...

xenophobia, not racism. She hated aliens

[Richpur]

She expects aliens to act like humans and save themselves first, help others maybe later, if they feel like it. That's not racism or xenophobia, that's cynicism.

[bleetman]

Richpur wrote...

She expects aliens to act like humans and save themselves first, help others maybe later, if they feel like it. That's not racism or xenophobia, that's cynicism.

Some might call it realism, seeing as how the council races do exactly that.

Modifié par bleetman, 09 juin 2011 - 02:44 .

[LPPrince]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Congratulations BiowEAr, you ruined Ashley for me. Thanks.

Really? How so? I alwyas found her to be quite unikeable because of her bigotry and racism.

Well, in all actuality she isn't a racist nor a bigot.

Talk to her long enough instead of basing opinions on a few misconstrued statements and you find out that she doesn't hate aliens(she might not like them too much though) but that due to her family effectively being thrown in the dirt after her grandfather surrendering in the First Contact War, she feels we need to put more trust in ourselves than aliens.

Put it this way-

You've got a friend and a stranger who can drive you somewhere. You've known your friend for a long time and he's trustworthy, while obviously you have no clue who the stranger is. Who do you trust more?

Her argument is that we need to put more trust in our friend rather than the stranger. Humans, over aliens. Because if we put too much faith in them, they could easily throw us to the dogs what with us being the new guys on the block.

Makes perfect sense. But through talking with her, you can change her views. Make her realize that she should direct some of that lack of trust at humanity since it was humans who made her family look bad after the First Contact War. Humans decided that her family should be somewhat "blacklisted". Humans look down on her.

And then? She not only lightens up, but she comes to trust aliens more. To the point where she suggests saving the Council when the Destiny Ascension is under attack.

As for her, "I don't like aliens, but I'll never join Cerberus" comment in ME2, I think the first half of that was just bad.

That's the fault of the writers, not her. Once changing her views in ME1, she shouldn't of said that. As for not joining Cerberus, she still views them as a Pro-Humanity group that wants all others(in other words, aliens) put down.

She'll never join them. Why? Because she knows that many in Cerberus are racists. She also slams Charles Saracino towards the end of ME1 when he tries to get Commander Shepard to back him for becoming leader of the Terra Firma party. Why?

Because she feels Terra Firma is a group for racists. If she were a true racist, she'd of jumped on Cerberus and Terra Firma's bandwagons at the first opportunity. She didn't.

She knows that racism is wrong. She knows that wanting to slaughter people because they aren't human is evil.

She'll never do it. BUT-

She hasn't been exposed to aliens much at all. Doesn't know how to react to them, doesn't know who to trust and not trust, and is still in sort of a limbo state.

Its up to Shepard to make her see that she can in fact trust the other races. Its up to Shepard to make her see that aliens aren't going to stab us in the back at the first opportunity.

She's got built in trust issues due to a lot of understandable factors. Its hard to kick what's ingrained into your mind from a young age.

But Shepard can do it. Shepard can make her finally release all those pent up trust issues.

That's what Ashley fans are doing. That's what we're trying to do. That's what we can hopefully accomplish in ME3.

In ME1, we got to make her see that. In ME2, we don't know what went wrong(lore wise). In ME3, its finally time to get Ashley to realize that we're all on the same team no matter what planet we were born on and we can trust them just as much as we can trust our neighbors here on Earth.

That's why we don't hate her. That's why we don't call her a racist or a bigot.

She's a victim. She needs help. And we're going to give her the help she needs.

[LPPrince]

By the way, since xenophobia and racism are used interchangeably here, I referred to racism as its a shorter word and used more often.

[Antivenger]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Really? How so? I always found her to be quite unikeable because of her bigotry and xenophobia.

That would make you guilty of hypocrisy, wouldn't it?

Modifié par Antivenger, 09 juin 2011 - 02:47 .

[contextual_entity]

*Speciesism.

[Sgt Stryker]

LPPrince wrote...

Well, in all actuality she isn't a racist nor a bigot.

Talk to her long enough instead of basing opinions on a few misconstrued statements and you find out that she doesn't hate aliens(she might not like them too much though) but that due to her family effectively being thrown in the dirt after her grandfather surrendering in the First Contact War, she feels we need to put more trust in ourselves than aliens.

Put it this way-

You've got a friend and a stranger who can drive you somewhere. You've known your friend for a long time and he's trustworthy, while obviously you have no clue who the stranger is. Who do you trust more?

Her argument is that we need to put more trust in our friend rather than the stranger. Humans, over aliens. Because if we put too much faith in them, they could easily throw us to the dogs what with us being the new guys on the block.

Makes perfect sense. But through talking with her, you can change her views. Make her realize that she should direct some of that lack of trust at humanity since it was humans who made her family look bad after the First Contact War. Humans decided that her family should be somewhat "blacklisted". Humans look down on her.

And then? She not only lightens up, but she comes to trust aliens more. To the point where she suggests saving the Council when the Destiny Ascension is under attack.

As for her, "I don't like aliens, but I'll never join Cerberus" comment in ME2, I think the first half of that was just bad.

That's the fault of the writers, not her. Once changing her views in ME1, she shouldn't of said that. As for not joining Cerberus, she still views them as a Pro-Humanity group that wants all others(in other words, aliens) put down.

She'll never join them. Why? Because she knows that many in Cerberus are racists. She also slams Charles Saracino towards the end of ME1 when he tries to get Commander Shepard to back him for becoming leader of the Terra Firma party. Why?

Because she feels Terra Firma is a group for racists. If she were a true racist, she'd of jumped on Cerberus and Terra Firma's bandwagons at the first opportunity. She didn't.

She knows that racism is wrong. She knows that wanting to slaughter people because they aren't human is evil.

She'll never do it. BUT-

She hasn't been exposed to aliens much at all. Doesn't know how to react to them, doesn't know who to trust and not trust, and is still in sort of a limbo state.

Its up to Shepard to make her see that she can in fact trust the other races. Its up to Shepard to make her see that aliens aren't going to stab us in the back at the first opportunity.

She's got built in trust issues due to a lot of understandable factors. Its hard to kick what's ingrained into your mind from a young age.

But Shepard can do it. Shepard can make her finally release all those pent up trust issues.

That's what Ashley fans are doing. That's what we're trying to do. That's what we can hopefully accomplish in ME3.

In ME1, we got to make her see that. In ME2, we don't know what went wrong(lore wise). In ME3, its finally time to get Ashley to realize that we're all on the same team no matter what planet we were born on and we can trust them just as much as we can trust our neighbors here on Earth.

That's why we don't hate her. That's why we don't call her a racist or a bigot.

She's a victim. She needs help. And we're going to give her the help she needs.

This post should be required reading for anyone posting in this thread, or any thread about Ashley for that matter.

[LPPrince]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

This post should be required reading for anyone posting in this thread, or any thread about Ashley for that matter.

Ha, thanks. I'm sure if this was quoted and posted into one of the Ashley threads in the characters section of the forums, they'd love it.

[Sylvianus]

" Ashley is racist ! "

- Why ?

- Because she's racist.

- Okay.

* explanation for dummies *

- I don't care what you said, I just like to think she's racist, even if she isn't. So she's racist.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 juin 2011 - 03:01 .

[bleetman]

You humans are all racist!

[Sylvianus]

I want to see Earth burn, because humans suck, and they are all racist !

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 juin 2011 - 03:03 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Nice summary, Prince.

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't care, yet they continue to waste their time bashing the character. : /

[Thargorichiban]

Well all of this hoopla over her costume doesn't matter to those who buy the CE as it contains an alternate costume for several characters... including Ashley.

Which will probably be a throwback to her classic Phoenix armor.

Just saying.

[LPPrince]

I can't remember what developer said it, but he DID say that people were misconstruing her words and that she is not in fact a racist.

I feel bad that the quote got lost in the shuffle, but then again that had to be over a year ago and hardly anyone saw it.

[LyndseyCousland]

If that's Ash then she got some hot sauce since her time on the Normandy. *tiger rawr*