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[Temaperacl]

Antivenger wrote...

Then again, there are many people up in arms about her design who don't actually like her character. More being concerned with the oversexualisation of women and Mirandasisation. You have some good points, but I can't really contribute much since I like how she looks

This is fair enough. I admit that (despite only surviving a single one of my playthroughs) Ash was always one of my favorite characters (and that I prefer her ME1/Horizon look) and so I have been tending to look at the issues people have been having as coming from the changes to the character instead of being issues inherent in the changes themselves. 

I may be wrong here, but I believe that in both cases, many of the the actual changes that people have issue with are the same and it is just the reason for the concern and/or dislike of the percieved changes that are differing.

[Iwantobelieve]

Actually I like the idea of making gamers saying " Wow, that's Ash ? I should'nt have cheated her with Miranda ".
Making her more mature, feminine, that's cool.
The problem is that putting a tight-light-suit on Ash and emphasis on her breast is the lamest and un-original way to do it.

[JedTed]

The unique outfits in place of armor for squadmates is something i always thought to be an interesting design choice but i don't really mind it overall.

I like how Ashley looks with her hair down and it's very fitting for the last game in the trilogy. She maybe an Aliance soilder to the core but that doesn't mean she can't be loose every now and then.

[Garlador]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Actually I like the idea of making gamers saying " Wow, that's Ash ? I should'nt have cheated her with Miranda ".
Making her more mature, feminine, that's cool.
The problem is that putting a tight-light-suit on Ash and emphasis on her breast is the lamest and un-original way to do it.

... But you gotta admit, you totally went "Wow, that's Ash?!" and did a head turn. I guess you could say she knows what to do or wear to get her skipper's attention again.

[Babli]

Persephone wrote...

Babli wrote...

Congratulations BiowEAr, you ruined Ashley for me. Thanks.

Based on 2-3 seconds......

Yeesh, have you played the game already or something?

Her look is ridiculous. Guy next to her wears armor with helmet and she has ****-outfit and hair like from fashion show or something. Thats not the soldier I know from ME1 and 2.

Also I am not "jumping" to anything. Just look at latest Bioware games and you´ll see that this is the direction they are taking for quite some time now.

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Really? How so? I always found her to be quite unikeable because of her bigotry and racism.

That doesnt mean she was a bad-written character. But the opposite. And also you obviously didnt understand her character.

[Iwantobelieve]

Garlador wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

Actually I like the idea of making gamers saying " Wow, that's Ash ? I should'nt have cheated her with Miranda ".
Making her more mature, feminine, that's cool.
The problem is that putting a tight-light-suit on Ash and emphasis on her breast is the lamest and un-original way to do it.

... But you gotta admit, you totally went "Wow, that's Ash?!" and did a head turn. I guess you could say she knows what to do or wear to get her skipper's attention again.

I did. But then I realised that's is not supposed to be a " who's the hottest chick" competition. It's pure fan-service, and you last sentence is pure sexism and character-killer.

[oligo]

While, yes, Ash does look very pretty with her new hair, I'm going to be very unimpressed if she goes around the whole game looking like a stripper in that catsuit.
Miri pulled it off because that was her character, but it's just not like Ash to go prancing around in a catsuit.

[RO-Bear]

cicimae wrote...

While, yes, Ash does look very pretty with her new hair, I'm going to be very unimpressed if she goes around the whole game looking like a stripper in that catsuit.
Miri pulled it off because that was her character, but it's just not like Ash to go prancing around in a catsuit.

Her character is a stripper in a catsuit?

Babli wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Really? How so? I always found her to be quite unikeable because of her bigotry and racism.

That doesnt mean she was a bad-written character. But the opposite. And also you obviously didnt understand her character.

Alistairlover94 never replied after the arguments on Ash not being racist
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I'm going to but the N7 editios. Problem sol

[diskoh]

cicimae wrote...

While, yes, Ash does look very pretty with her new hair, I'm going to be very unimpressed if she goes around the whole game looking like a stripper in that catsuit.
Miri pulled it off because that was her character, but it's just not like Ash to go prancing around in a catsuit.

Why haven't you called Jacob a stripper? He wears almost the exact same catsuit.

You're a sexist.

[KBomb]

cicimae wrote...

While, yes, Ash does look very pretty with her new hair, I'm going to be very unimpressed if she goes around the whole game looking like a stripper in that catsuit.
Miri pulled it off because that was her character, but it's just not like Ash to go prancing around in a catsuit.

What kind of strippers are you looking at? Very conservative ones, I’d say if you compare them to Ashley.

[diskoh]

Same fabric, same tightness, same amount of protection in combat.

if you have a problem with Ashley and not Jacob, you are a sexist. Period.

[Archereon]

Disk: Ashely is a soldier. God knows what exactly Jacob was supposed to be in terms of class, but I think at least a soldier, which is to say, the most heavily armed and armored class in the game should get some decent armor. It's especially bad considering Kaiden gets actual armor, and makes me wonder (sarcastically) whether BioWare mixed up their classes in between games.

[Iwantobelieve]

It's well known that Jacob and Miranda were both made for female/male audience. We just regret that they did the same with Ash. Period.

[Archereon]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

It's well known that Jacob and Miranda were both made for female/male audience. We just regret that they did the same with Ash. Period.

I personally dislike the fact that they do it to anyone, at least in terms of mission gear.  I'm not asking for uberscale spess mehren armor, but for god's sake, the catsuit really has to go or I can't really see myself using Ashely much...Hell, I'll probably use a save editor to make it so she was blown up on Virmire for all future ME2 playthroughs using an ME1 save.  It annoys me THAT MUCH!

Modifié par Archereon, 09 juin 2011 - 07:14 .

[diskoh]

Archereon wrote...

Disk: Ashely is a soldier. God knows
what exactly Jacob was supposed to be in terms of class, but I think at
least a soldier, which is to say, the most heavily armed and armored
class in the game should get some decent armor. It's especially bad
considering Kaiden gets actual armor, and makes me wonder
(sarcastically) whether BioWare mixed up their classes in between
games.

Jacob was an Alliance Corsair, he's a more accomplished soldier than Ashley.

You realize that the class system is not actually a thing that's acknowledged in the ME universe, right? It's only a UI thing for building your character. It's not a matter of "Oh Jacob you're a sentinel, you don't wear heavy armor."

Modifié par diskoh, 09 juin 2011 - 07:15 .

[diskoh]

Iwantobelieve wrote...

It's well known that Jacob and Miranda were both made for female/male audience. We just regret that they did the same with Ash. Period.

So find another game to follow and quit the absolutely incessant whining about this. There's a reason you're not a character designer. Bioware is a lot better at it than you are.

[diskoh]

Archereon wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

It's well known that Jacob and Miranda were both made for female/male audience. We just regret that they did the same with Ash. Period.

I personally dislike the fact that they do it to anyone, at least in terms of mission gear.  I'm not asking for uberscale spess mehren armor, but for god's sake, the catsuit really has to go or I can't really see myself using Ashely much...Hell, I'll probably use a save editor to make it so she was blown up on Virmire for all future ME2 playthroughs using an ME1 save.  It annoys me THAT MUCH!

Sounds like Gears of War is a better fit for you. You're gonna love James Vega and his impractical 500 lbs armor.

Modifié par diskoh, 09 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[Iwantobelieve]

diskoh wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

It's well known that Jacob and Miranda were both made for female/male audience. We just regret that they did the same with Ash. Period.

So find another game to follow and quit the absolutely incessant whining about this. There's a reason you're not a character designer. Bioware is a lot better at it than you are.

What an intelligent answear.
Ah, I hope there won't be same-sex romance trololol.

[Archereon]

diskoh wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Disk: Ashely is a soldier. God knows
what exactly Jacob was supposed to be in terms of class, but I think at
least a soldier, which is to say, the most heavily armed and armored
class in the game should get some decent armor. It's especially bad
considering Kaiden gets actual armor, and makes me wonder
(sarcastically) whether BioWare mixed up their classes in between
games.

Jacob was an Alliance Corsair, he's a more accomplished soldier than Ashley.

You realize that the class system is not actually a thing that's acknowledged in the ME universe, right? It's only a UI thing for building your character. It's not a matter of "Oh Jacob you're a sentinel, you don't wear heavy armor."

It is actually.  I imagined you'd start calling CANON VIOLATION if, for example, Garrus, or Mordin suddenly started using biotics out of the blue.  On the same hand, I imagine we'd also be scratching our heads if Grunt suddenly started hacking through doors and using cloaking fields without some explanation for how he learned that stuff.

Jacob was, in terms of ME classes, probably closest to a Vanguard.  He really should have had heavier armor, considering his weapon loadout made him geared towards close range combat.  On the same token, the soldier class, and presumably Ashely unless we've gotten some retcons has abilities focused on soaking up damage, and has a new one in ME3.  It would make sense that the people who soak up damage and have high health would be the ones in heavy armor.  While sentinels are the least squishy class in the game as of ME2, soldiers are hardly slouches, and I'd at least expect Ashely to get something more in line with medium armor.

Diskeh: Did I not just say I wasn't asking for uberscale spess merhens?  Plus, at least Vega's wearing armor.  So far, it looks like absolutely none of the female characters can say the same thing.  That's a problem that existed in ME2 as well.  How's that not sexism? 

Modifié par Archereon, 09 juin 2011 - 07:22 .

[hawat333]

[quote]diskoh wrote...
Jacob was an Alliance Corsair, he's a more accomplished soldier than Ashley.
[quote]
This statement is true as long as ME1 goes, but we can't tell what Ash accomplished during that two years and especially after Horizon. This question is still open, I think.

[diskoh]

Archereon wrote...
He really should have had heavier armor

He "should have" had exactly what the people who created him decided he shoud have had.

[Iwantobelieve]

Doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

[KBomb]

Archereon wrote...

Iwantobelieve wrote...

It's well known that Jacob and Miranda were both made for female/male audience. We just regret that they did the same with Ash. Period.

I personally dislike the fact that they do it to anyone, at least in terms of mission gear.  I'm not asking for uberscale spess mehren armor, but for god's sake, the catsuit really has to go or I can't really see myself using Ashely much...Hell, I'll probably use a save editor to make it so she was blown up on Virmire for all future ME2 playthroughs using an ME1 save.  It annoys me THAT MUCH!

You won’t use her because of her clothing? Her choice in clothing is going to be your deciding factor? Really?
I don’t understand why some people didn’t bring Miranda along because of how she was dressed. I would understand if they didn’t find her useful, but because of her outfit? Ah well, different strokes.

[Archereon]

diskoh wrote...

Archereon wrote...
He really should have had heavier armor

He "should have" had exactly what the people who created him decided he shoud have had.

Nope, he had exactly what the people who created him decided he should have.

The first should is subjective, something that neither you, I , or the people who created Jacob are equipped to make a definitive call on.  Hence we have things called opinions.

K: I probably will use her if her character is interesting, but the cat suit will annoy me to no end, and if she doesn't get absolutely amazing mission dialogue or is too useful to leave behind, she'll be staying on the Normandy most of the time.

Modifié par Archereon, 09 juin 2011 - 07:29 .