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[gosimmons]

Montezuma IV wrote...

@Nashiktal Are you designing this character? How do you know what she's dressed for? I would love it if people responded kindly to ugly, dull-looking characters but like a few of the "I killed Ashely" posts above........they DON'T.

So, we should indulge these people who pay more attention to her new look than to her actual character?

SHE CAN DRESS HOW SHE WANTS IN DIS DAMN GAME!

Or how Bioware thinks mainstream audiences want females to dress apparently.

Modifié par gosimmons, 09 juin 2011 - 10:03 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Montezuma IV wrote...

@Nashiktal Are you designing this character? How do you know what she's dressed for? I would love it if people responded kindly to ugly, dull-looking characters but like a few of the "I killed Ashely" posts above........they DON'T. She's beautiful and in a nice suit...so ****ing what? It really doesn't make a huge difference....not enough to take it personally. She'll most likely be the same person. SHE CAN DRESS HOW SHE WANTS IN DIS DAMN GAME! And look...now my ghetto is coming out.

Visual design serves the character, not the other way around. Any artist or costume designer worth his/her salt would know that.

Edit: what I'm getting is that the people who like Ashley's appearance like it more because it makes her look like a sex bomb, not because it suits her character.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 09 juin 2011 - 10:06 .

[KBomb]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Edit: what I'm getting is that the people who like Ashley's appearance like it more because it makes her look like a sex bomb, not because it suits her character.

And your assumptions would be wrong in at least one instance.

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...

I guess that depends on what you see as extreme. I don’t see it as extreme. I see it as a slight change in style.
And if armor wasn’t meant to be stylish, how come she wasn’t wearing the black armor in style with Jenkins and Kaidan, even after she became part of the Normandy? Pink and white? Smells like style to me.

If she was another character, I might not have seen it as extreme.  But given the Ashley from ME1, yes, i see it as extreme.

As to the armor, I don't know why she wore Phoenix and Kaidan wore Onyx armor.  But Phoenix aside from it's... unique... color scheme, also provides a small boost to health regeneration.  But you can still bet I got her into something else pretty quick, because yes, it is ugly.  If only I had that option in ME3...

Funny thing, my Shepard couldn’t outrun bullets either. I did fine in light armor. Heavy armor didn’t help out all those Eclipse and Blue Sun agents that I slaughtered either, they went down just like the rest.

Then your Shepard either had access to tech or biotic abilities, or simply disagreed with Ash's philosophy.  But the long and short of it was, heavy armors provided stronger shields, and greater protection from stuff kinetic barriers can't protect you from (yes, there are several things that shields canonically can't protect you from.  A pity ME 2 forgot about that)

And her actions in ME1 told me how she dressed then, in that situation. Her actions also told me that she could change her mind based on what was going on around her. Her clothing in ME3 isn’t going to make me see her differently because she decided to change her style. People used to like fanny packs because they were functional and utilitarian. Thank god minds changed on that one

See, I don't see this as clothing.  This is armor.  The stuff that protects you on the battlefield.  Ash is/was a very pragmatic person.  Light armor=less protection.  Heavy armor=more protection.

 If Ash in a noncombat scenerio dressed in a blue jumpsuit, that's absolutely fine.  I get the impression that she works hard and plays hard.  She's free to go nuts on her own time.  

But wearing an armored jumpsuit (excuse me, "light armor") in combat when stronger options are clearly available (hello James Vega, Kaidan, Shepard, even Liara) is nonsensical.  Ash the professional soldier, with training in this stuff, would want the strongest possible barriers (physical of kinetic) between her and whatever's shooting at her.  She doesn't have biotics to back her up.  She doesn't have combat drones or cloaking devices or tech grenades.

 This isn't about fashion, or feeling pretty, or changing things up.  This is about surviving long enough to give the Commander your take on the last mission.  If Ash doesn't dress for the part, what does it say about her character?  What does it say about Bioware?

[Iakus]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Exactly.....Ashley is strong and beautiful and she's showing it. Thanks for proving my point.

She was strong and beautiful in ME1.  Not as glamorous as she is now in ME3.  But she wasn't supposed to be.

[KBomb]

See, you keep saying it isn't about fashion, and yet you say things like this:

iakus wrote..

 But you can still bet I got her into something else pretty quick, because yes, it is ugly.  If only I had that option in ME3...

What it boils down to is what you think your Ashley would do, and what I think my Ashley would do. Even given the lore and statements, I stand by my thought that she would change her look and that it is not extreme----just as you think she wouldn't.

It isn’t about mainstream likes or dislikes or general popular theory. In the end it comes down to personal taste and that is always subjective. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this. I do respect your opinion, but it won’t change mine and I am sure that is mutual.

Modifié par KBomb, 09 juin 2011 - 10:31 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...

@Nashiktal Are you designing this character? How do you know what she's dressed for? I would love it if people responded kindly to ugly, dull-looking characters but like a few of the "I killed Ashely" posts above........they DON'T. She's beautiful and in a nice suit...so ****ing what? It really doesn't make a huge difference....not enough to take it personally. She'll most likely be the same person. SHE CAN DRESS HOW SHE WANTS IN DIS DAMN GAME! And look...now my ghetto is coming out.

Visual design serves the character, not the other way around. Any artist or costume designer worth his/her salt would know that.

Edit: what I'm getting is that the people who like Ashley's appearance like it more because it makes her look like a sex bomb, not because it suits her character.

Exactly.....Ashley is strong and beautiful and she's showing it. Thanks for proving my point.

Strong and beautiful she is. Vain and impractical she is not.

[KBomb]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Strong and beautiful she is. Vain and impractical she is not.

Choosing a softer look for yourself is vain? I may could find a stretch of your argument for the practicality of it, but sprucing up is vain?

[nitrog100]

It's weird, yeah. I'm playing through the first two games again (just got to level 60 this week) and when I saw the demo, I almost decided to abandon my Ashley romance. I'm going to do a Liara, an Ashley, and no romance so I can hook up with Tali in Mass Effect 2 guilt free.

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...

What it boils down to is what you think you're Ashley would do, and what I think my Ashley would do. Even given the lore and statements, I stand by my thought that she would change her look and that it is not extreme----just as you think she wouldn't.

Yes, given the choice between two or more suits of  armor of a similar type, I'll take the more aesthetically pleasing one, barring a significant reduction of protective abilities.  Who wouldn't?

But if I had to choose between, say a suit of heavy phoenix armor, and a suit of light Onyx, and Ash could wear both, yeah I'd put her in the Phoenix armor.  Because it'll keep her alive longer.

It isn’t about mainstream likes or dislikes or general popular theory. In the end it comes down to personal taste and that is always subjective. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this. I do respect your opinion, but it won’t change mine and I am sure that is mutual.

For my taste it's about a woman who is an Alliance soldier, who is good at it and takes pride in it, and who has now become a Spectre, theoretically the best of the best, not dressing for the part.

And ironically, her male counterpart is very much dressed for the part.

Modifié par iakus, 09 juin 2011 - 10:40 .

[DrkFire410]

Faridle wrote...

she kinda looks better then Miranda now.....I guess I have to replay ME2 now

Same here, if i knew she would end up looking this good i woldn't have left her for Miranda haha. (But i love her in Chuck so i kind of had to).

But will be playing series again now to have ashley as my one and only lover.

[Ziggy]

KBomb wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Strong and beautiful she is. Vain and impractical she is not.

Choosing a softer look for yourself is vain? I may could find a stretch of your argument for the practicality of it, but sprucing up is vain?

A "softer" look is fine when you're relaxing. But when bullets are flying around you put on your best armour and get your hair out of your eyes if you want to live.

Ashley was a self proclaimed soldier to the core, secure in who she is, and strong and independent. Apparently she now cares more about how her hair looks than whether she can see who's trying to kill her  One Miranda is more than enough.

[KBomb]

@ iakus Let me put this question to you out of curiosity. If Ashley wasn’t confined to the Soldier class (not the occupation, the class) and still maintained her skills, and forgetting what she wore in ME1, would you think it would be okay then to put her in light armor then? Forgetting all the classes, would you put Liara or Tali in heavy armor? If the option was open and we could choose any type of armor, would every one have to go into heavy then?

For my taste, she can still be a soldier, a spectre, a confidant and beautiful and strong woman--and still wear the armor she is wearing.
　
@ Em23 As I have stated before about the hair, it is nearly identical to one of the styles you can choose for female Shepard. It also poses the same risks as the Dr. Chakwas style also for Shepard as well as the default hair for female Shepard.

Contrary to popular belief, you can still care about how you look and be a confidant and accomplished soldier. Changing your hair style from one thing to another has nothing to do with not being secure with the first look. You can have different styles and be secure in them all! Funny, innit?

[Mr. MannlyMan]

KBomb wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Strong and beautiful she is. Vain and impractical she is not.

Choosing
a softer look for yourself is vain? I may could find a stretch of your
argument for the practicality of it, but sprucing up is vain?

Are you joking? A "softer" look? "Sprucing up"?

You're stretching my patience, my man. Look up "impractical vanity" and search for results that describe what it is. I'm not going to sit here, going through what "vanity" means and where it applies with you. Just look it up.

[KBomb]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Are you joking? A "softer" look? "Sprucing up"?

You're stretching my patience, my man. Look up "impractical vanity" and search for results that describe what it is. I'm not going to sit here, going through what "vanity" means and where it applies with you. Just look it up.

Your patience is stretched? You hold no title on that, the only difference is you choose to relay yours with snark. Were I joking, it would have been obvious. Unless you thought that statement would give your argument against my opinion more meat. In that case let me settle it for you: No, I was not joking.

I know very well what impractical vanity is and in my opinion, it holds no water with how Ashley is dressed. Were she wearing a corset or dressed like Blood Rayne, I may agree with you. Were she wearing sunglasses indoors, I may agree with you. So, maybe it’s your view of impractical vanity that should be explored, since you made no definition of it.

[Manic Sheep]

We already have the who dresses like a sex bomb but is strong and confident and can still kick ass thing with Miranda and most action girls. that was fine, that was good but we don’t need that again.
I liked what we had with Ashley in ME1. Strong, confident but believable with character flaws. Sexy in a natural looking way, practical way. she didn’t glam herself up every day like every girl seem to be expected to bloody well do, she looked like a soldier who was ready to fight at the same time she wasn’t a complete tomboy or the anti girl and you got the impression that she would dress up if she wanted to when it was appropriate. Like not in the middle of a war or in combat. Yeah you can kick ass and still put a ton of work into you appearance but it was nice to have an attractive girl not looking like she dose that every day and at the very least please have her look like she is still valuing practically over being a fashionista, give her better armour and put her hair back in combat.
That can look attractive too you know. You don’t have to go for stupid V neck suit and long hair look all the time. Now she looks like yet another lightly armoured action super model.Why is that heavy hitter guys on your squad, Shepard and you enemies have the heavier stuff but shes all good with this which looks less armoured than Liara’ s gear? If armour is useless then nobody should be using it.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 09 juin 2011 - 11:39 .

[Hattie]

Manic Sheep wrote...
We already have the who dresses like a sex bomb but is strong and confident and can still kick ass thing with Miranda and most action girls. that was fine, that was good but we don’t need that again.
I liked what we had with Ashley in ME1. Strong, confident but believable with character flaws. Sexy in a natural looking way, practical way. she didn’t glam herself up every day like every girl seem to be expected to bloody well do, she looked like a soldier who was ready to fight at the same time she wasn’t a complete tomboy or the anti girl and you got the impression that she would dress up if she wanted to when it was appropriate. Like not in the middle of a war or in combat. Yeah you can kick ass and still put a ton of work into you appearance but it was nice to have an attractive girl not looking like she dose that every day and at the very least please have her look like she is till valuing practically over being a fashionista, give her better armour and put her hair back in combat.
That can look attractive too you know. You don’t have to go for stupid V neck jumpsuit and long hair look all the time. Now she looks like yet another lightly armoured action super model.Why is that heavy hitter guys on your squad, Shepard and you enemies have the heavier stuff but shes all good with this which looks less armoured than Liara’ s gear? If armour is useless then nobody should be using it.

+ 1

This is exactly what I liked about Ashley in me1 too. Totally agree with everything you said.

[KotOREffecT]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Jarek_Cousland wrote...

I think its because she caught a good look of Miranda and thought "Alright, time to kick it up a notch."

It does seem like she saw Miranda on Horizon and went, "Two can play that game, Cerberus!"

Ashley knows whats at stake.

And Shepard is the Priiiiize.

[Archereon]

KBomb wrote...


@ iakus Let me put this question to you out of curiosity. If Ashley wasn’t confined to the Soldier class (not the occupation, the class) and still maintained her skills, and forgetting what she wore in ME1, would you think it would be okay then to put her in light armor then? Forgetting all the classes, would you put Liara or Tali in heavy armor? If the option was open and we could choose any type of armor, would every one have to go into heavy then?

For my taste, she can still be a soldier, a spectre, a confidant and beautiful and strong woman--and still wear the armor she is wearing.
　
@ Em23 As I have stated before about the hair, it is nearly identical to one of the styles you can choose for female Shepard. It also poses the same risks as the Dr. Chakwas style also for Shepard as well as the default hair for female Shepard.

Contrary to popular belief, you can still care about how you look and be a confidant and accomplished soldier. Changing your hair style from one thing to another has nothing to do with not being secure with the first look. You can have different styles and be secure in them all! Funny, innit?

Well, I'd be okay with Ashely not wearing heavy armor if she wasn't a soldier or other class that heavy armor makes sense for, and if I had the option, i would indeed put both Liara and Tali in "heaby armor", though honestly I'd prefer them to have what ME1 called medium armor, since light armor was pretty much a jumpsuit with a fancy helmet.

[KBomb]

Archereon wrote...

Well, I'd be okay with Ashely not wearing heavy armor if she wasn't a soldier or other class that heavy armor makes sense for, and if I had the option, i would indeed put both Liara and Tali in "heaby armor", though honestly I'd prefer them to have what ME1 called medium armor, since light armor was pretty much a jumpsuit with a fancy helmet.

I think medium armor is a nice compromise. I just can’t stand heavy armor on females. Of course that is completely for my tastes and has no practical influence. I don’t mind sacrificing a bit of damage for my females to look a little more pleasing to my eye. However, if the damage they took was significant, I wouldn’t hesitate to throw them in some heavy armor. So I can understand where you’re coming from. I understand your opinion and why you formed it.

I don’t think taking Tali or Liara out of their light armor and putting them into heavy armor would change them, and I don’t think doing the reverse with Ashley would make her less appealing. I can understand completely the arguments about her armor being less defensive. I cannot understand why the anger is here, or the thought that she will not or could not be the same Ashley we love. That is what boggles the mind. And the hair thing makes little sense to me when you look at other styles. Armor I get, but the hair argument makes me

[Hattie]

She can't see through her left eye 

[KBomb]

Hattie wrote...


*snip*

She can't see through her left eye 

It’s the angle, I believe. If you look at the other screen shot with her and Shepard sitting in a vehicle (I think it’s a vehicle) you can see both eyes cleary. Also, the scan from the magazine shows both eyes clearly as well.

[Hattie]

KBomb wrote...

Hattie wrote...

*snip*

She can't see through her left eye 

It’s the angle, I believe. If you look at the other screen shot with her and Shepard sitting in a vehicle (I think it’s a vehicle) you can see both eyes cleary. Also, the scan from the magazine shows both eyes clearly as well.

I very much hope you're right. At the expense of a little immersion, i can sort of accept that, as it's computer hair, it will not move so it doesn't matter what it is as long as not blocking your vision to start with <_< but stil.