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[LPPrince]

Hattie wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Hattie wrote...

*snip*

She can't see through her left eye 

It’s the angle, I believe. If you look at the other screen shot with her and Shepard sitting in a vehicle (I think it’s a vehicle) you can see both eyes cleary. Also, the scan from the magazine shows both eyes clearly as well.

I very much hope you're right. At the expense of a little immersion, i can sort of accept that, as it's computer hair, it will not move so it doesn't matter what it is as long as not blocking your vision to start with <_< but stil.

Yeah, don't worry. Her vision isn't obscured.

[KBomb]

Hattie wrote...

I very much hope you're right. At the expense of a little immersion, i can sort of accept that, as it's computer hair, it will not move so it doesn't matter what it is as long as not blocking your vision to start with <_< but stil.

Look on the very first post in this thread to see one of the screen shots I mentioned. Somewhere around here is the magazine photo of her, I can't find it though.

[Homebound]

javierabegazo wrote...

oomfffggg move the hair out of your eyes.

[JayhartRIC]

That eye is closed anyway, she's looking in a scope lol

[LPPrince]

Hellbound555 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

oomfffggg move the hair out of your eyes.

Dude, even IF it was covered by hair(which it isn't), she's scoped in to take shots.

That eye is shut, dude.

[Archereon]

KBomb wrote...

Archereon wrote...

Well, I'd be okay with Ashely not wearing heavy armor if she wasn't a soldier or other class that heavy armor makes sense for, and if I had the option, i would indeed put both Liara and Tali in "heaby armor", though honestly I'd prefer them to have what ME1 called medium armor, since light armor was pretty much a jumpsuit with a fancy helmet.

I think medium armor is a nice compromise. I just can’t stand heavy armor on females. Of course that is completely for my tastes and has no practical influence. I don’t mind sacrificing a bit of damage for my females to look a little more pleasing to my eye. However, if the damage they took was significant, I wouldn’t hesitate to throw them in some heavy armor. So I can understand where you’re coming from. I understand your opinion and why you formed it.

I don’t think taking Tali or Liara out of their light armor and putting them into heavy armor would change them, and I don’t think doing the reverse with Ashley would make her less appealing. I can understand completely the arguments about her armor being less defensive. I cannot understand why the anger is here, or the thought that she will not or could not be the same Ashley we love. That is what boggles the mind. And the hair thing makes little sense to me when you look at other styles. Armor I get, but the hair argument makes me

Well, the thing with Liara and Tali is more of a practicality issue.  Light armor isn't so much armor as a latex space suit, which annoys me to no ends since, even though it could theoretically work, it's got all sorts of problems with radiation protection that are better alleviated by a full suit.  The big problem with Ashely's new appearance is, howver, that it's contradictory to previous statements of hers, and that it's the biggest indicator of the double standard in terms of character design.  So far, not a single one of the ME3 squad's females, besides FemShep (obviously) wears actual armor, despite all of the males (Vega, Garrus, Sheploo and Kaiden) having gear that looks like it'd actually be used in combat.  This same phenomena appears in the Mass Effect 2 squad, which had exactly 0 female characters who wore armor, and had 3 male characters (Jacob, Mordin, and Thane) who didn't. 

That is really the heart of what annoys me about new Ashley.  I didn't care for her too much as a character, but damint, this is going too far.

Modifié par Archereon, 10 juin 2011 - 02:46 .

[Bluko]

Hmm I wonder how much Ashley has changed...

Ashley:"Sir, welcome aboard. Ugh that uniform you're wearing is like so last year."
Shepard:"What?"
Ashley:"And that N7 Armor from Cerberus, super grotty. Like barf out, gag me with a spoon."
Shepard:"Wait... is this why you wouldn't join Cerberus."
Ashley:"Uh like d'uh! What'd you think? Cause I'm a Spectre or something?"
Shepard:"Well-"
Ashley:"Aww that's cute, but like Cerberus has no fashion sense at all."
Shepard:"Is this because of Miranda?"
Ashley:"You mean Miss Bubblebutt? She wishes she was half as good looking as me."
*Blantant Camera Zoom on Chest Area*
Ashley:"Here try this on."
Shepard:"This armor... it's plaid."
Ashley:"Uh huh and it's super hot right now. Well I mean before the Reaper Invasion. Afterwards who knows."
Shepard:"Do I have to wear this?"
Ashley:"Well do you want to sleep with me later?"
*More Camera Zoom*
Shepard:"Fine. I'll do it."

[diskoh]

Christina Norman backs up what I've been saying all thread long.

Christina Norman: No offense to fans, I love hearing your opinions about what would look great on henchmen however... I am less impressed by arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect the artistic vision of our artists (29 minutes ago from Twitterrific)

Modifié par diskoh, 10 juin 2011 - 03:45 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Hattie wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...
We already have the who dresses like a sex bomb but is strong and confident and can still kick ass thing with Miranda and most action girls. that was fine, that was good but we don’t need that again.
I liked what we had with Ashley in ME1. Strong, confident but believable with character flaws. Sexy in a natural looking way, practical way. she didn’t glam herself up every day like every girl seem to be expected to bloody well do, she looked like a soldier who was ready to fight at the same time she wasn’t a complete tomboy or the anti girl and you got the impression that she would dress up if she wanted to when it was appropriate. Like not in the middle of a war or in combat. Yeah you can kick ass and still put a ton of work into you appearance but it was nice to have an attractive girl not looking like she dose that every day and at the very least please have her look like she is till valuing practically over being a fashionista, give her better armour and put her hair back in combat.
That can look attractive too you know. You don’t have to go for stupid V neck jumpsuit and long hair look all the time. Now she looks like yet another lightly armoured action super model.Why is that heavy hitter guys on your squad, Shepard and you enemies have the heavier stuff but shes all good with this which looks less armoured than Liara’ s gear? If armour is useless then nobody should be using it.

+ 1

This is exactly what I liked about Ashley in me1 too. Totally agree with everything you said.

+2

[KBomb]

Archereon wrote...

Well, the thing with Liara and Tali is more of a practicality issue.  Light armor isn't so much armor as a latex space suit, which annoys me to no ends since, even though it could theoretically work, it's got all sorts of problems with radiation protection that are better alleviated by a full suit. 

Light armor isn’t latex. I really don’t get why people say it’s latex. Miranda’s armor looks like leather. Leather can be shiny, I have about six pair of boots that have a shiny texture, yet they are sturdy. Unless I missed a codex or statement from a developer or artist that states light armor is latex. I have yet to see anyone, with the exception of asari dancers where anything that remotely appears to be made of rubber. Latex armor is getting to be a weight phrase like catsuit.

 The big problem with Ashely's new appearance is, howver, that it's contradictory to previous statements of hers, and that it's the biggest indicator of the double standard in terms of character design.  So far, not a single one of the ME3 squad's females, besides FemShep (obviously) wears actual armor, despite all of the males (Vega, Garrus, Sheploo and Kaiden) having gear that looks like it'd actually be used in combat.  This same phenomena appears in the Mass Effect 2 squad, which had exactly 0 female characters who wore armor, and had 3 male characters (Jacob, Mordin, and Thane) who didn't. 

Why does everything turn into a male vs. female thing? That argument would hold some weight if Ashley were not wearing any kind of armor at all, but she is. You may not agree with the material or style or thickness or level of protection, but she is wearing it. I don’t see cleavage. I see a bit of flesh--not cleavage. I see a lot of people discussing the size of her breasts, they look average to me. Certainly nothing I would brag about. Her shoes, meh. I can understand that argument, but it isn’t as if she is wearing stilettos. It’s a minor detail at best, an annoyance at worst. As far as her previous statements being contradictory, again meh. She made a couple of statements about armor, nothing I would say concreted her into a certain character that could never and should never be broken.

That is really the heart of what annoys me about new Ashley.  I didn't care for her too much as a character, but damint, this is going too far.

Now see, this is what I cannot fathom. Statements like, “Gone too far” and “mainstreamed” and etc. are arbitrary since we have only seen what? Three images of her? It just seems a bit much  over a set of light armor.

[Yakko77]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...
We already have the who dresses like a sex bomb but is strong and confident and can still kick ass thing with Miranda and most action girls. that was fine, that was good but we don’t need that again.
I liked what we had with Ashley in ME1. Strong, confident but believable with character flaws. Sexy in a natural looking way, practical way. she didn’t glam herself up every day like every girl seem to be expected to bloody well do, she looked like a soldier who was ready to fight at the same time she wasn’t a complete tomboy or the anti girl and you got the impression that she would dress up if she wanted to when it was appropriate. Like not in the middle of a war or in combat. Yeah you can kick ass and still put a ton of work into you appearance but it was nice to have an attractive girl not looking like she dose that every day and at the very least please have her look like she is till valuing practically over being a fashionista, give her better armour and put her hair back in combat.
That can look attractive too you know. You don’t have to go for stupid V neck jumpsuit and long hair look all the time. Now she looks like yet another lightly armoured action super model.Why is that heavy hitter guys on your squad, Shepard and you enemies have the heavier stuff but shes all good with this which looks less armoured than Liara’ s gear? If armour is useless then nobody should be using it.

+ 1

This is exactly what I liked about Ashley in me1 too. Totally agree with everything you said.

+2

You saw her for a whole TWO F'N SECONDS in a gameplay preview and base your whole opinion on how her character will be portayed on that?



*facedesk*

[Eshaye]

diskoh wrote...

Christina Norman backs up what I've been saying all thread long.

Christina Norman: No offense to fans, I love hearing your opinions about what would look great on henchmen however... I am less impressed by arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect the artistic vision of our artists (29 minutes ago from Twitterrific)

Yeah me too. Except when they go and completely ignore what made a character who they were.... Sorry Christina, do not agree. 

AND also completely ignore how the lore extensively talks about wearing suits in certain situations....  whatevs.

Modifié par Eshaye, 10 juin 2011 - 04:23 .

[diskoh]

Eshaye wrote...

Yeah me too. Except when they go and completely ignore what made a character who they were.... Sorry Christina, do not agree.

Clothes don't make a character who they are.

[Massadonious1]

You mean a character you can fit in light/medium armor that has the same kind of body hugging features and practicality that her current outfit does?

Unless we see her in a trailer saying "I HEART ALIENS" the only thing we have to go on from a few screenshots that encapsule 5 seconds from a gameplay demo is that she let her hair down and changed into new shoes.

Women do that pretty much all the damn time. It doesn't mean their core attitude and belief system has changed.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 10 juin 2011 - 04:34 .

[Antivenger]

Eshaye wrote...

diskoh wrote...

Christina Norman backs up what I've been saying all thread long.

Christina Norman: No offense to fans, I love hearing your opinions about what would look great on henchmen however... I am less impressed by arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect the artistic vision of our artists (29 minutes ago from Twitterrific)

Yeah me too. Except when they go and completely ignore what made a character who they were.... Sorry Christina, do not agree. 

AND also completely ignore how the lore extensively talks about wearing suits in certain situations....  whatevs.

All the characters are getting redesigned by their original designers, right? I already like the suit (not the hair so much) and I'm pretty much fine with it.

...

But then again, he did make her original default armour white and pink. Got lucky with that >:|

[Manic Sheep]

Yakko77 wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...
We already have the who dresses like a sex bomb but is strong and confident and can still kick ass thing with Miranda and most action girls. that was fine, that was good but we don’t need that again.
I liked what we had with Ashley in ME1. Strong, confident but believable with character flaws. Sexy in a natural looking way, practical way. she didn’t glam herself up every day like every girl seem to be expected to bloody well do, she looked like a soldier who was ready to fight at the same time she wasn’t a complete tomboy or the anti girl and you got the impression that she would dress up if she wanted to when it was appropriate. Like not in the middle of a war or in combat. Yeah you can kick ass and still put a ton of work into you appearance but it was nice to have an attractive girl not looking like she dose that every day and at the very least please have her look like she is till valuing practically over being a fashionista, give her better armour and put her hair back in combat.
That can look attractive too you know. You don’t have to go for stupid V neck jumpsuit and long hair look all the time. Now she looks like yet another lightly armoured action super model.Why is that heavy hitter guys on your squad, Shepard and you enemies have the heavier stuff but shes all good with this which looks less armoured than Liara’ s gear? If armour is useless then nobody should be using it.

+ 1

This is exactly what I liked about Ashley in me1 too. Totally agree with everything you said.

+2

You saw her for a whole TWO F'N SECONDS in a gameplay preview and base your whole opinion on how her character will be portayed on that?



*facedesk*

No, I was explaining why I liked her old look and don't like this one. A change in appearance dose change something about the character and how they will be perceived. You learn about a character thru more than what they say. But I’m not trying to say they changed everything about her and they have destroyed her character or anything like that. I’m talking about things related to her appearance, what her appearance puts across, why it changes how I perceive that aspect of this character and why I don’t like it or think it fits with what we know of her from ME1. Thats all.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 10 juin 2011 - 04:44 .

[KBomb]

I think the comment she made about out running bullets was made facetiously. Ashley was very sarcastic. The fact is a Soldier class can wear all three armor types. Just like an Infiltrator can wear two and so on and so on. It isn’t set in stone that a soldier has to wear heavy armor, just that they are trained to. I never wore heavy armor and always put Ash in light or medium armor. At the beginning of Mass Effect 2, all LI’s or VS were wearing the phoenix armor regardless of what their class was. Kaidan in phoenix armor? How weird was that? On Horizon his armor wasn’t the light armor as he wore in Mass Effect. So to say the armor makes the character is grasping at straws.

And I always made Wrex wear the pink and white armor whenever he got snippy with me. He was still the same ole’ Wrex.

Edit: When you first meet Ashley, isn't she wearing medium armor and not heavy?

Modifié par KBomb, 10 juin 2011 - 04:56 .

[shepskisaac]

Not sure what everyone's problem is. She looks 10 times hotter to me. How can it be bad?

[TheRealJayDee]

diskoh wrote...

Clothes don't make a character who they are.

Tell this to the people who wouldn't let me put pants on Isabela, leather armour on Varric and shoes on Fenris...

[Antivenger]

A speculation to accompany Ashley William's suit change...

So the VS being gay is confirmed, then?

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...
@ iakus Let me put this question to you out of curiosity. If Ashley wasn’t confined to the Soldier class (not the occupation, the class) and still maintained her skills, and forgetting what she wore in ME1, would you think it would be okay then to put her in light armor then? Forgetting all the classes, would you put Liara or Tali in heavy armor? If the option was open and we could choose any type of armor, would every one have to go into heavy then?

For my taste, she can still be a soldier, a spectre, a confidant and beautiful and strong woman--and still wear the armor she is wearing.

I'm not sure I understand the context of the question.  If Ashley was an engineer or a sentinel?  Or if there were no classes whatsoever?

As best I can answer it right now, if a player has an option to equip something, then it's fine to equip it.  I'm a big fan of player options.  However, given the character Ashley, being a professional soldier (as in marine, not just the class) who's big on the more nonsubtle aspects of combat.  heavy armor and big guns just seem natural to her.  It's not just class.  It's attitude and personality.  Light armor on her would seem as odd to me as, say Grunt in light armor.  Armor and weapons are tools of her  trade, why would she deny herself the best and strongest tools available to her?

As for Tali or Liara, all things were equal, and they could wear heavy armor, I don't see why they shouldn't wear them (though it would look really odd, since neither are professional soldiers).  However, if lighter armors allowed them to use their engineering or biotic abilities better, then no, they should stick to lighter armors, since Tali is an engineer and Liara is a biotic.  

Ash seemed like a scrapper at heart.  Seeing her in the armor she was presented in, I can't help but wonder if part of her ME3 storyarc is she's shackled to a desk job somewhere and is profoundly unhappy because she doesn't get to go out on patrols or shoot geth anymore.  She she can be a soldier and Spectre, and she was always confident and beautiful.  But the armor just doesn't say that to me anymore.  Well, not the soldier and Spectre part.  

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...

I think medium armor is a nice compromise. I just can’t stand heavy armor on females. Of course that is completely for my tastes and has no practical influence. I don’t mind sacrificing a bit of damage for my females to look a little more pleasing to my eye. However, if the damage they took was significant, I wouldn’t hesitate to throw them in some heavy armor. So I can understand where you’re coming from. I understand your opinion and why you formed it.

Tela Vasir style medium armor would also be an acceptable solution.  It would at least let her look like a front line soldier.  Someone who expects to go into physical danger on a semiregular basis.

[KBomb]

iakus wrote...


As best I can answer it right now, if a player has an option to equip something, then it's fine to equip it.  I'm a big fan of player options.  However, given the character Ashley, being a professional soldier (as in marine, not just the class) who's big on the more nonsubtle aspects of combat.  heavy armor and big guns just seem natural to her.  It's not just class.  It's attitude and personality.  Light armor on her would seem as odd to me as, say Grunt in light armor.  Armor and weapons are tools of her  trade, why would she deny herself the best and strongest tools available to her?

As for Tali or Liara, all things were equal, and they could wear heavy armor, I don't see why they shouldn't wear them (though it would look really odd, since neither are professional soldiers).  However, if lighter armors allowed them to use their engineering or biotic abilities better, then no, they should stick to lighter armors, since Tali is an engineer and Liara is a biotic.  

Technically, Kaidan is a trained marine. A soldier. So if you rid yourself of the notion of class and based it on abilities, he is both a soldier and a biotic. He could wear heavy armor, and use a shotgun or an assault rifle. He certainly got shot at enough when I took him with me and several times I had to pull him back because he got into the fray of things too much. He could have used some better armor, but I couldn’t put him in it had I wanted to. So to say because she is a professional soldier she would have always picked the best armor and weapons may be true, if it worked for everyone. That is to say if we took the class out and looked at their occupation.

Ash seemed like a scrapper at heart.  Seeing her in the armor she was presented in, I can't help but wonder if part of her ME3 storyarc is she's shackled to a desk job somewhere and is profoundly unhappy because she doesn't get to go out on patrols or shoot geth anymore.  She she can be a soldier and Spectre, and she was always confident and beautiful.  But the armor just doesn't say that to me anymore.  Well, not the soldier and Spectre part.  

The bolded part is true and we can agree on that. At heart she is a scrapper, and that won’t change with change of armor. On the end note: Do Spectre’s have desk jobs?

[Dariustwinblade]

One thing I find funny and ironic is that.
Ashley was making fun of Asari commandos for wearing light armor.
Now it seems the Asari Commando, Liara is wearing heavier armor than her.

[trobbins777]

Ok first off let's consider the fact that Ash is now a spectre and therefore has access to top grade armor. So I think we can reasonably infer that if she is using that armor (which hasn't been confirmed). It is just as protective as the armor she used in ME 1 if not more so. In fact if you look closely you can see places on the armor that are thicker in some areas and have protective plating. The change in armor actually makes sense to me. In combat mobility is just as important if not more so than protection.

One last thing, Ash is not wearing heels. She's wearing boots her foot is just phased through the ramp.