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[quote]KBomb wrote...

Technically, Kaidan is a trained marine. A soldier. So if you rid yourself of the notion of class and based it on abilities, he is both a soldier and a biotic. He could wear heavy armor, and use a shotgun or an assault rifle. He certainly got shot at enough when I took him with me and several times I had to pull him back because he got into the fray of things too much. He could have used some better armor, but I couldn’t put him in it had I wanted to. So to say because she is a professional soldier she would have always picked the best armor and weapons may be true, if it worked for everyone. That is to say if we took the class out and looked at their occupation.[/quote]

Actually, as a sentinel Kaidan was a tech and a biotic.  No "soldier" involved, except as in "marine" ;) He was basically support personnel.  Ashley was trained for more toe-to-toe combat.  Brawling, as it were.

But at this point, Kaidan gets his new and shiny armor, and Ash's gets downgraded.

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Ash seemed like a scrapper at heart.  Seeing her in the armor she was presented in, I can't help but wonder if part of her ME3 storyarc is she's shackled to a desk job somewhere and is profoundly unhappy because she doesn't get to go out on patrols or shoot geth anymore.  She she can be a soldier and Spectre, and she was always confident and beautiful.  But the armor just doesn't say that to me anymore.  Well, not the soldier and Spectre part.  
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The bolded part is true and we can agree on that. At heart she is a scrapper, and that won’t change with change of armor. On the end note: Do Spectre’s have desk jobs?
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But Ash no longer looks like a scrapper.  Her new look is... too glamorous.    Light armor simply doesn't look right on her.  She's too fragile looking.  She doesn't look like a professional kick-butt marine, she's a movie star playing a role.

Truthfully, I have no idea if Spectres have desk jobs.  But given Ash is the most lightly armored Spectre we've come across, if they exist, I'm thinking she's one.

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iakus wrote...

Actually, as a sentinel Kaidan was a tech and a biotic.  No "soldier" involved, except as in "marine" ;) He was basically support personnel.  Ashley was trained for more toe-to-toe combat.  Brawling, as it were.




I know what Kaidan was, and I know what he was trained for.:P I meant he still went through marine training, technically. He may be support, but he still ran ahead sometimes, which meant he should have, hypothetically, been wearing heavy armor, or at least medium. Since he was a pretty powerful biotic, I am sure that an enemy would take him out quickly. I know I always took out the biotics first if I could.

My point being: Most of this is all hypothetical. Most of it is Ashley should, and not what Ashley is canon or mandated to do.

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diskoh wrote...

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Yeah me too. Except when they go and completely ignore what made a character who they were.... Sorry Christina, do not agree.


Clothes don't make a character who they are.


it's character DESIGN, they are designed to convey something. I don't have anything against some change, but changes that actually take you out of the known experience is so annoying. Like the serious lack of squaddie propper armor at key points in the game, I'm never getting over it. 

And if they've redesigned Ashley to be a carbon copy of Miranda they are doing a disservice to both Ashley's character AND Miranda. There was purpose and reason for Miri to being how she is presented, Ashley was somewhat her practical counterpart. Why change that? 

Anyway we still don't know enough to really say more, thing is by the time BW will decide to say more it will be too late for the community to give in their two cents..So hopefully someone takes what we think into come sort of consideration now. 

editL Also tell anyone who's studied fashion and design that what people wear have NO bearing on showing who they are... lol. 

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KBomb wrote...
I know what Kaidan was, and I know what he was trained for.:P I meant he still went through marine training, technically. He may be support, but he still ran ahead sometimes, which meant he should have, hypothetically, been wearing heavy armor, or at least medium. Since he was a pretty powerful biotic, I am sure that an enemy would take him out quickly. I know I always took out the biotics first if I could.

My point being: Most of this is all hypothetical. Most of it is Ashley should, and not what Ashley is canon or mandated to do.


Kaidan being able to wear heavier armor is certainly debatable.  And in ME 3, it looks like  that debate is won.  But considering that Ash is:

1) Trained to  slug it out directly with enemies
2) More experienced in this sort of fighting
3) Has an attitude that makes it her preferred method of dealing with enemies.

Isn't she the more logical choice to have that look?  In other words, Shouldn't Ash have a heavier armor look?  Not just as a class mechanic (that's gone out the window at this point anyway), but as a personal preference for the character?  

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Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."
Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

I want ME1 Ashley back.
This whole thing annoys me, but I don't expect anything to change since most people seem to just think that Ashley's new look is hot :crying:
You'd think that after the feedback about Miranda's outfit, Bioware wouldn't repeat the same mistake <_<

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Collider wrote...

Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."
Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

I want ME1 Ashley back.
This whole thing annoys me, but I don't expect anything to change since most people seem to just think that Ashley's new look is hot :crying:
You'd think that after the feedback about Miranda's outfit, Bioware wouldn't repeat the same mistake <_<


Indeed, it's a tragedy but good thing she's dead in my canon and pseudo-canon playthroughs. My decision to save Kaidan was better than I could have imagined.

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iakus wrote...

Kaidan being able to wear heavier armor is certainly debatable.  And in ME 3, it looks like  that debate is won.  But considering that Ash is:

1) Trained to  slug it out directly with enemies
2) More experienced in this sort of fighting
3) Has an attitude that makes it her preferred method of dealing with enemies.

Isn't she the more logical choice to have that look?  In other words, Shouldn't Ash have a heavier armor look?  Not just as a class mechanic (that's gone out the window at this point anyway), but as a personal preference for the character?  




I wouldn’t have minded had they gave Ashley heavy armor and they may still do so, but if they don’t--I won’t equate it with her character being down played. Since she is a Spectre now, she won’t be on the front lines of intense battles anymore. She has more freedom to decide how to complete an assignment and since they mostly work alone, unless under special circumstances, I don’t see her barging into an intense multi-enemy battle where she’d put herself in a non-tactical situation.

My personal preference for Ashley is that she remain the same in character, though I expect some change. She even tells Shepard in an email that she isn’t the same person anymore and neither is he. Her clothing and her hair are secondary (if even that) concerns for me. I am glad to see her come out of her shell some and have a more relaxed physical nuance.

Modifié par KBomb, 10 juin 2011 - 06:45 .


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Seboist wrote...

Collider wrote...

Kaidan: "Those Asari commandos are impressive. Lightly armored, but their speed more than makes up for it."
Ashley: "Unless that speed lets them outrun bullets, I’m more inclined to stick with nice solid armor and a big gun."

I want ME1 Ashley back.
This whole thing annoys me, but I don't expect anything to change since most people seem to just think that Ashley's new look is hot :crying:
You'd think that after the feedback about Miranda's outfit, Bioware wouldn't repeat the same mistake <_<


Indeed, it's a tragedy but good thing she's dead in my canon and pseudo-canon playthroughs. My decision to save Kaidan was better than I could have imagined.


Oh look people hating on Ashley. How suprising<_<
/endsarcasm

Look i am not going to try and get you to like Ash, but i will address your concerns over her outfit.

Ok first off let's consider the fact that Ash is now a spectre and therefore has access to top grade armor. So I think we can reasonably infer that her armor(If that is her armor) is just as protective as the armor she used in ME 1 if not more so. In fact if you look closely you can see places on the armor that are thicker in some areas and have protective plating. The change in armor actually makes sense to me. In combat mobility is just as important if not more so than protection.

One last thing, Ash is not wearing heels. She's wearing boots her foot is just phased through the ramp.

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diskoh wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

Yeah me too. Except when they go and completely ignore what made a character who they were.... Sorry Christina, do not agree.


Clothes don't make a character who they are.


I agree, but Bioware disagrees with every character they have ever made.

Good thing we arn't talking about clothes however. We are talking about armor, and a marine who should be wearing it.

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Body hugging armor in ME1 = Good

Body hugging armor in ME3 = OMG THEY TOTALLY RUINED THE CHARACTER IH8 U!!!!

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Body hugging armor in ME1 = Good

Body hugging armor in ME3 = OMG THEY TOTALLY RUINED THE CHARACTER IH8 U!!!!


Do you even think before posting? The ME1 armors had no high heels, v necks, nipple straps or any exposed skin like the rubbish in ME2 and 3. The "body hugging" is irrelavent.

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Seboist wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Body hugging armor in ME1 = Good

Body hugging armor in ME3 = OMG THEY TOTALLY RUINED THE CHARACTER IH8 U!!!!


Do you even think before posting? The ME1 armors had no high heels, v necks, nipple straps or any exposed skin like the rubbish in ME2 and 3. The "body hugging" is irrelavent.


It's things like this that make me appreciate how Bioware provides for blind gamers.:wizard:

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Add a little more crease and that is Miranda's ass exactly. I'm not talking out of mine, but I do appreciate your concern.

And, let me get this straight. Hypersexualization is okay just as long as it looks like they're wearing armor? We have yet to see if Ashley's new suit can actually function like her old one, because again, WE'VE SEEN EXACTLY 5 SECONDS OF IT.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 10 juin 2011 - 07:06 .


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Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.

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Nashiktal wrote...

Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.


Her breasts are out? Really? You must have seen a different screen shot than I did and as far as I know, she's always had breasts. Nothing new there.

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Cute. You know exactly what I mean.

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Nashiktal wrote...

Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.


ok don't know how many times i'm gonna have to say it. Space Kevlar plus advanced armored plates plus advanced shields equals great armor with good mobility. 

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

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We already have the who dresses like a sex bomb but is strong and confident and can still kick ass thing with Miranda and most action girls. that was fine, that was good but we don’t need that again.
I liked what we had with Ashley in ME1. Strong, confident but believable with character flaws. Sexy in a natural looking way, practical way. she didn’t glam herself up every day like every girl seem to be expected to bloody well do, she looked like a soldier who was ready to fight at the same time she wasn’t a complete tomboy or the anti girl and you got the impression that she would dress up if she wanted to when it was appropriate. Like not in the middle of a war or in combat. Yeah you can kick ass and still put a ton of work into you appearance but it was nice to have an attractive girl not looking like she dose that every day and at the very least please have her look like she is till valuing practically over being a fashionista, give her better armour and put her hair back in combat.
That can look attractive too you know. You don’t have to go for stupid V neck jumpsuit and long hair look all the time. Now she looks like yet another lightly armoured action super model.Why is that heavy hitter guys on your squad, Shepard and you enemies have the heavier stuff but shes all good with this which looks less armoured than Liara’ s gear? If armour is useless then nobody should be using it.


+ 1

This is exactly what I liked about Ashley in me1 too. Totally agree with everything you said.


+2


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KBomb wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.


Her breasts are out? Really? You must have seen a different screen shot than I did and as far as I know, she's always had breasts. Nothing new there.


What you don't see that nice area under her chin, you know that line that seperates into two mammaries? You know the things that lead underneath the rubber suit?

They are not as bad as Samara or Jack, but all the same cleavage doesn't stop bullets mate.

Come to think of it neither does hair. Maybe thats why miranda kept getting KO'd on me during missions?

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Cute. You know exactly what I mean.


Yes, boobs cannot stop bullets. How that pertains to Ashley is anyone's guess.

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trobbins777 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.


ok don't know how many times i'm gonna have to say it. Space Kevlar plus advanced armored plates plus advanced shields equals great armor with good mobility. 


And this technologie is only available to women because....?

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trobbins777 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.


ok don't know how many times i'm gonna have to say it. Space Kevlar plus advanced armored plates plus advanced shields equals great armor with good mobility. 



I don't see kevlar over her cleavage. Advanced shields? Heavy armor provided heavy shields. Besides, shields no matter how advanced never last long outside of gameplay. In all the books and lore, shields are a stopgap.

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Her breasts are significantly larger

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But oh yes, that's just Bioware making her into a more 'strong' and 'confident' woman.
Definitely not them just sexing her up so the average horny gamer can get a boner...

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Hattie wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Function like her old one? Breasts don't stop bullets man. Urban myth.


ok don't know how many times i'm gonna have to say it. Space Kevlar plus advanced armored plates plus advanced shields equals great armor with good mobility. 


And this technologie is only available to women because....?

 

Not even available to women. FemShep can't even get in on that. (My dude Shep would kill for a set personally. He gets tired of lugging around that massive armor). Worst part is Shepard would be able to afford something like that before Ash would. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 juin 2011 - 07:28 .


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Nashiktal wrote...

What you don't see that nice area under her chin, you know that line that seperates into two mammaries? You know the things that lead underneath the rubber suit?

They are not as bad as Samara or Jack, but all the same cleavage doesn't stop bullets mate.



Silly rabbit, trix are for kids. Of course I know what cleavage is. I see it everyday. You didn’t say cleavage, you said breasts. Where in the screen shot is Ashley’s cleavage sticking out? I missed that part.

 
Come to think of it neither does hair. Maybe thats why miranda kept getting KO'd on me during missions?



Sorry that didn’t work out for you. Maybe you didn’t utilize her talents efficiently, or maybe she wasn’t what you needed. She happened to be a pretty awesome teammate for me. I don’t remember her getting knocked out anymore than anyone else did and in my game, she had hair and boobs too.