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[mopotter]

diskoh wrote...

mopotter wrote...

My problem with it is it's only the women team members they are doing this to. 

Excuse me? Hi my name is Jacob, I'm wearing almsot the exact same outfit as Ashley. See that? Skin tight fabric, with plating around the shoulders? Yeah, I'm wearing a "catsuit" just like Ash. 

Some people may not like it, but the priiiize.

I also said, I want ALL of the human team in armor with helmets, like Kaidan, Shepard  and James.  But and I would be quite happy if they gave Ash something like this.   Edit - Ash has a V neck armor on that apparently can't be zipped up.   And it's quite possible I've missed something where she is shown in armor like this:  
fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/158/f/6/mass_effect_3_by_chignon-d3iaec2.png       I hope this works. crap can't post pictures worth a darn. 

Modifié par mopotter, 10 juin 2011 - 06:23 .

[Clonedzero]

Lizardviking wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Because in the feature I would assume that in most frontline wars soldiers would be equiped to detect enemy soldiers. And normal camoflauge is not that useful anymore.

Beside I also have never been a huge fan of the phoenix armor's colour-scheme.

it would absolutely still be useful. even if you know the guy is 200 yards in front of you in the treeline, you need to actually see him to shoot him. you dont want to wear something that so extremely contrasts most areas to amke you easier to shoot.

and if everyones in high tech suits that detect everyone else, dont you think they have masking capabilites too?

im honestly more bothered by ridiculous color schemes on front line soldiers than their armor setup.

like once i got old enough to realize how horribly designed stormtrooper armor was and how it was making them easier targets it almost completely ruined star wars for me.

[trobbins777]

iakus wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

For the last time, she's not wearing a catsuit. There is armor plating on her shoulders and legs as well as what looks like space dragon skin(Look it up) on her chest. Add advanced shields to this and you've got some pretty good armor.

And Kaidan (who fits an identical role with Ash dead) is not wearing this because...?

First of all Kaiden does not have an identical role with ash. He is a sentinel. Which is a more defensive specialization. He has his normal armor, possibly tech armor, as well as a biotic barrier he could employ. Why? because he will be forced to expose himself alot when he uses his biotic abilities.

Let me put it this way.
In Ash's armor you could take a bullet.
In Kaiden's armor you could take a bomb.

[Clonedzero]

mopotter wrote...

I also said, I want ALL of the human team in armor with helmets, like Kaidan, Shepard  and James.  But and I would be quite happy if they gave Ash something like this.  And it's quite possible I've missed something where she is shown in armor like this:  
fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/158/f/6/mass_effect_3_by_chignon-d3iaec2.png   I hope this works.

while i have no real problem with ash's new outfit, giving her tela vasirs armor would be completely cool with me.

[Iakus]

Couldn't have said it better, Mr. Mannlyman.

[Massadonious1]

Everyone's making a lot of assumptions over 5-10 seconds of video. For all we know, those could be her pajamas. She was sleeping, Joker yells over the COM that Shepard is in trouble, and Ashley runs out with what she has on.

Makes about as much sense as everyone thinking it's automatically going to be her new combat attire.

[Iakus]

trobbins777 wrote...

iakus wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

For the last time, she's not wearing a catsuit. There is armor plating on her shoulders and legs as well as what looks like space dragon skin(Look it up) on her chest. Add advanced shields to this and you've got some pretty good armor.

And Kaidan (who fits an identical role with Ash dead) is not wearing this because...?

First of all Kaiden does not have an identical role with ash. He is a sentinel. Which is a more defensive specialization. He has his normal armor, possibly tech armor, as well as a biotic barrier he could employ. Why? because he will be forced to expose himself alot when he uses his biotic abilities.

Let me put it this way.
In Ash's armor you could take a bullet.
In Kaiden's armor you could take a bomb.

Kaidan the sentinel wore light armor in ME1.  Ash the soldier wore medium or heavy armor.  She doesn't have biotics or tech to fall back on!

For that matter, Spectres are the best of the best, only about a hundred in all of Council space, why not let them all have the armor that can "take a bomb"

[Iakus]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Everyone's making a lot of assumptions over 5-10 seconds of video. For all we know, those could be her pajamas. She was sleeping, Joker yells over the COM that Shepard is in trouble, and Ashley runs out with what she has on.

Makes about as much sense as everyone thinking it's automatically going to be her new combat attire.

We, well, I  make the assumptions because of ME2, where Jacob and Miranda are in the same spandex armor they started with through the whole game (plus "loyalty outfits" and aaps)  That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

trobbins777 wrote...

First of all Kaiden does not have an identical role with ash. He is a sentinel. Which is a more defensive specialization. He has his normal armor, possibly tech armor, as well as a biotic barrier he could employ. Why? because he will be forced to expose himself alot when he uses his biotic abilities.

Let me put it this way.
In Ash's armor you could take a bullet.
In Kaiden's armor you could take a bomb.

And Ashley does not have to expose herself in battle? Biotics can be thrown then the person can go back into cover and the biotic "ball" will still fly. Ashley only has her guns and need to expose herself to shoot (most of the time naturely).

Hell. Your point about Kaidan having (possibly) both tech armor and biotic barrier makes one question why he does not have lighter armor instead. After all. He can increase his survivabilty without wear incumbering (I think that is the word) himself.

[Massadonious1]

iakus wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Everyone's making a lot of assumptions over 5-10 seconds of video. For all we know, those could be her pajamas. She was sleeping, Joker yells over the COM that Shepard is in trouble, and Ashley runs out with what she has on.

Makes about as much sense as everyone thinking it's automatically going to be her new combat attire.

We, well, I  make the assumptions because of ME2, where Jacob and Miranda are in the same spandex armor they started with through the whole game (plus "loyalty outfits" and aaps)  That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

I can make plenty of assumptions about people, groups of people, institutions, etc. in the real world based on their past actions, but I don't, because I am rational human being.

I'm sorry if ME2 left you, they, so jaded, but it shouldn't stop otherwise intelligent individuals from not thinking critically.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 10 juin 2011 - 06:33 .

[KBomb]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

@Badpie
The thing is that a lot of the light and medium armor (Ash never wore light, btw) had visible plates that covered most of the body, there were no "open" parts of the suit, and it actually looked like it served a purpose in battle. Ash's armor in ME3 looks like it serves fashion more than it does as protection in combat, and I really have to question "why" that is.

Artistic license is important, and I respect the character artists for their work, but I also had great respect for Ash as a character and what she represented: a strong, independent military woman who didn't fall for all the bull**** of having to act like others expected her to, and who was practical and highly opinionated... plus, I loved how straightforward and blunt the character was. She was a woman who was more concerned about kicking ass and striving to be at the top of her game, not trying to look sexy...

The new look just feels like a betrayal of her militaristic familial background. I really hope it's not a case of her being all, "Oooh, I'm a Spectre now, I'm allowed to wear whatever I want because I'm soo independent!" That would just seem pathetic and low for her character imo.

Betrayal is a strong word. She can still be all of those things. I’m sure she will be, though I can’t say for sure until we see her in-game and neither can anyone else. If she were the same Ashley, but dressed in that armor for the duration of the game and never changed, would you still lose respect for her? From three screen shots have you come to the conclusion that she would no longer be a strong, independent, self-relied and opinionated woman who had the same ideals and bluntness we’re used to? In the first Mass Effect you could place her in any armor you wanted and she remained the same.

Personally, I would love to return to the old armor system in Mass Effect. It isn’t going to happen and I realized while playing Mass Effect 2, walking around Omega and especially Illium that my Shepard looked out of place being the only one wearing armor. I wished for a lighter armor that would allow for protection and still look less conspicuous. I would have definitely wore some had it been provided and I wouldn’t have seen my Shepard as anything but what she was--a ass-kicker and name-taker.

[Kolos2]

honestly the moment thy had told us Ash got a remake what did you guys think thy would add ? G.I Jane ? Larger boobs , bum and a sexy dress, it was a given

im not concerned about the cat suit dress (and yes it is), rather what changes did thy do to her personality
A 360 degree twist like with Liara in LotSB ? just for the worse ?

[Wulfram]

Christina Norman's tweets in defence of Ash's outfit don't sound like it's just a casual outfit. But of course she could be messing with our heads.

[Iakus]

Massadonious1 wrote...

I can make plenty of assumptions about people, groups of people, institutions, etc. in the real world based on their past actions, but I don't, because I am rational human being.

I'm sorry if ME2 left you, they, so jaded, but it shouldn't stop otherwise intelligent individuals from not thinking critically.

Somehtingsomething history somethingsomething repeat it...

[trobbins777]

iakus wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

iakus wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

For the last time, she's not wearing a catsuit. There is armor plating on her shoulders and legs as well as what looks like space dragon skin(Look it up) on her chest. Add advanced shields to this and you've got some pretty good armor.

And Kaidan (who fits an identical role with Ash dead) is not wearing this because...?

First of all Kaiden does not have an identical role with ash. He is a sentinel. Which is a more defensive specialization. He has his normal armor, possibly tech armor, as well as a biotic barrier he could employ. Why? because he will be forced to expose himself alot when he uses his biotic abilities.

Let me put it this way.
In Ash's armor you could take a bullet.
In Kaiden's armor you could take a bomb.

Kaidan the sentinel wore light armor in ME1.  Ash the soldier wore medium or heavy armor.  She doesn't have biotics or tech to fall back on!

For that matter, Spectres are the best of the best, only about a hundred in all of Council space, why not let them all have the armor that can "take a bomb"

First off, Kaidan was a liutenant in the alliance in ME1, now he's a spectre. Secondly, His armor in ME2 wouldn't be considered light armor. Also, Kaiden is going to have to expose himself alot more firepower in order to use tech and biotic abilities. 

As for your second point, like I said before Kaiden is a sentinel, a guard, a defender. Ash on the other hand is a attacker. She needs to be able to move from cover to cover quickly, and get out of danger quickly because she doesn't have tech armor and barriers to fall back on.

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...

Betrayal is a strong word. She can still be all of those things. I’m sure she will be, though I can’t say for sure until we see her in-game and neither can anyone else. If she were the same Ashley, but dressed in that armor for the duration of the game and never changed, would you still lose respect for her? From three screen shots have you come to the conclusion that she would no longer be a strong, independent, self-relied and opinionated woman who had the same ideals and bluntness we’re used to? In the first Mass Effect you could place her in any armor you wanted and she remained the same.

Respect for her?  Depends.   I would need to see what her new attitude and storyline is like.

But I will lose respect for Bioware as a whole.  Heck I lost a big chunk of respect with about half the ME2 squads' outfits. The idea that they'd "reboot" beloved ME 1 characters to fit in the new vision is incredibly sad to me.

[Fragglespank]

Wulfram wrote...

Christina Norman's tweets in defence of Ash's outfit don't sound like it's just a casual outfit. But of course she could be messing with our heads.

"No offense to fans, I love hearing your opinions about what would look great on henchmen however I am less impressed by arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect the artistic vision of our artists."

Indeed.

EDIT: The typos are hers, not mine.

Modifié par Fragglespank, 10 juin 2011 - 06:57 .

[MACharlie1]

Wulfram wrote...

Christina Norman's tweets in defence of Ash's outfit don't sound like it's just a casual outfit. But of course she could be messing with our heads.

This...concerns me.  

[MegaBadExample]

I like Ashley's new threads. It's her personality I'm worried about. "Apparently she has changed ALOT."

[Iakus]

trobbins777 wrote...

First off, Kaidan was a liutenant in the alliance in ME1, now he's a spectre. Secondly, His armor in ME2 wouldn't be considered light armor. Also, Kaiden is going to have to expose himself alot more firepower in order to use tech and biotic abilities. 

As for your second point, like I said before Kaiden is a sentinel, a guard, a defender. Ash on the other hand is a attacker. She needs to be able to move from cover to cover quickly, and get out of danger quickly because she doesn't have tech armor and barriers to fall back on.

There's some evidence pointing to Ash being a Lieutenant in ME3 as well.  And they're both Spectres

And...Ash was every bit the attacker in ME1.  And could wear heavy armor.  She in fact preferred heavy armor.Kaidan was a support character, and wore light.  Their combat roles don't seem to have significantly changed.  So what has?

The point being, why is heavy armor too good/not good enough for Ash, but is a-okay with Kaidan?  Well besides that it makes his shoulders look broader 

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

The point being, why is heavy armor too good/not good enough for Ash, but is a-okay with Kaidan?  Well besides that it makes his shoulders look broader 

This. Which is especially a shame since Kaidan's armor looks like it would be especially bad ass suited to Ashley. Here's hoping they offer alternate character options which place her in heavy and Kaidan back in light armor. 

[Iakus]

Fragglespank wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Christina Norman's tweets in defence of Ash's outfit don't sound like it's just a casual outfit. But of course she could be messing with our heads.

"No offense to fans, I love hearing your opinions about what would look great on henchmen however I am less impressed by arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect the artistic vision of our artists."

So voicing concern that their style of combat dress doesn't match the personalities or the roles they've displayed in previous installments is "not impressive"?

To quote Mordin:  "Implications unpleasant"

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

iakus wrote...

The point being, why is heavy armor too good/not good enough for Ash, but is a-okay with Kaidan?  Well besides that it makes his shoulders look broader 

This. Which is especially a shame since Kaidan's armor looks like it would be especially bad ass suited to Ashley. Here's hoping they offer alternate character options which place her in heavy and Kaidan back in light armor. 

We're on the same side of a topic?  The Earth is doomed!

Modifié par iakus, 10 juin 2011 - 07:04 .

[KBomb]

iakus wrote...


Respect for her?  Depends.   I would need to see what her new attitude and storyline is like.

But I will lose respect for Bioware as a whole.  Heck I lost a big chunk of respect with about half the ME2 squads' outfits. The idea that they'd "reboot" beloved ME 1 characters to fit in the new vision is incredibly sad to me.

I can understand the bolded statement and sympathize with it. I hope they don’t change her either. I loved her character for what it was. I am not a fan of heavy armor on any character, but that is my preference.

I wasn’t too happy with the armor changes in ME2 either at first, but as I said, there were times I wish my Shepard had lighter armor that wasn’t so…military while I was walking around planet side. I didn’t lose any respect for Bioware because of it. I saw it for what it was, a design change--a design update and left it at that. I put it out of my mind and enjoyed the game. Updating is a part of life, real world and virtual. The only thing that stays the same is that everything changes.

[Antivenger]

Wulfram wrote...

Christina Norman's tweets in defence of Ash's outfit don't sound like it's just a casual outfit. But of course she could be messing with our heads.

It's probably not gonna be a casual outfit. Anyone hoping for that should get the N7 appearance pack :/

Podcast from last month pretty much confirms it, a guy mentions seeing Ashley and her "new blue suit, long hair".