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[BS Veyron]

gee wiz so many people have jumped to conclusions and we have only just begun to scratch the surface of ME3.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

You raise a good point here, Iakus. Perhaps too good a point.  In your typical fantasy setting, the reason why spellcasters wear light armor (or none at all) is because it 'limits hand gestures' making it difficult to work their spells. What exactly is the advantage of light armor in Mass Effect to a biotic like Kaidan where the typical spell-casting restrictions don't apply? It's almost like the developers simply gave Kaidan light armor because spellcasters usually wear light armor.

My assumption would be that certain personnel are trained in various combat techniques, using weapons, armor and equipment that form the best synergy.  An adept, for example, receives far more rigorous training in controlling their biotics than in traditional weapon training or armor use and maintenance.  Same with a sentinel, though they split their time between biotics and tech proficiency.  A soldier, however, focuses on guns and personal defense, in part to protect those biotic and tech specialists supporting them.

That being said, if it makes things easier, I'm more than willing to stipulate that all Alliance-trained personnel  can use medium or heavy armor unless they are specifically part of a specialist team.

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...

And yes, a frontline Alliance Marine may want those things, and when Ashley was a frontline Alliance Marine she had it. She isn’t that anymore. Now that she isn’t facing those same odds, it might stand to reason she wants something more diplomatic looking, something more comfortable that offers the same protection. (With kinectic barriers and upgrades, of course)

Diplomatic?  This is Ashley here.  Kaidan's the diplomat, and he's the walking tank! 

 Ash has always been perfectly comfortable in thicker armor.  She says as much.  And as a Spectre, I'm sure she still gets mixed up in plenty of fights.  Unless she's a "token human" or something.

[Iakus]

BS Veyron wrote...

gee wiz so many people have jumped to conclusions and we have only just begun to scratch the surface of ME3.

What can I say?  Seeing Miranda in the same painted on outfit in the opening sequence of ME2, on Lazarus Station, on the Normandy, on missions all the way until I completed her loyalty mission (where you get a different colored painted on outfit), has me a little bit worried that we're stuck with Ash's "Spectre-Lite" outfit.

[Eshaye]

KBomb wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

I said kinetic + barrier.  Everyone has kinetic shields, but not everyone can throw a biotic barrier to protect themselves. If you look at the people in your squad in ME2 with the lightest outfits, they are all biotic, I'm pretty sure. 

All armor types and weights have kinectic barrier generators, even light armors. She is wearing light armor, she’ll have a kinectic barrier generator to protect her until she gets into cover.

You totally missed what I said, read it again. Or don't bother because you don't want to see the point anyway. Everyone runs into cover dude, and they still wear appropriate armor. Unlike Ashley SO FAR. 

[Mr. MannlyMan]

iakus wrote...

KBomb wrote...

And yes, a frontline Alliance Marine may want those things, and when Ashley was a frontline Alliance Marine she had it. She isn’t that anymore. Now that she isn’t facing those same odds, it might stand to reason she wants something more diplomatic looking, something more comfortable that offers the same protection. (With kinectic barriers and upgrades, of course)

Diplomatic?  This is Ashley here.  Kaidan's the diplomat, and he's the walking tank! 

 Ash has always been perfectly comfortable in thicker armor.  She says as much.  And as a Spectre, I'm sure she still gets mixed up in plenty of fights.  Unless she's a "token human" or something.

Not to mention Shepard's dragging her into the middle of a galactic war. Against elite Cerberus troops, Reapers, husks, Geth, krogan, possibly rachni, possibly batarians, etc... it's like a clusterf*** of every manner of enemy you could possibly encounter.

And, presumably, she's going to wear her funnysuit through every mission? Her attire doesn't match the scope or seriousness of the conflict, sorry. Facing an entire Geth platoon with just her, Shepard and another (probably better-prepared) person? Nuh-uh.

And if she's actually still a hard-hitting soldier class, it will make even less sense. Even without all of this debate, who do you think the average gamer would associate with the Spectres: a heavily-armored man, or a light-armored woman wearing a form-fitting, v-neck suit that looks like it's made of 75% rubber?

[Noob451]

I don't get the negative feedback? so she let her hair down, big whoop. female soldiers don't ALWAYS have their hair in buns you know....

as for the suit, I'm not gonna complain, but I too hope she gets some armor in the game.

[KBomb]

iakus wrote...

Diplomatic?  This is Ashley here.  Kaidan's the diplomat, and he's the walking tank! 

 Ash has always been perfectly comfortable in thicker armor.  She says as much.  And as a Spectre, I'm sure she still gets mixed up in plenty of fights.  Unless she's a "token human" or something.

Lol Okay, maybe diplomatic was the wrong word. I meant a light armor that wouldn’t stand out in a crowd. Something she could blend in, if she needed to and since she is a Spectre, she may have to do just that.

Just because she was once comfortable in heavy armor doesn’t mean she wouldn’t wear anything else if it were presented to her. She said a lot of things--things that she wouldn’t do but ended up doing them. But discussing that would just swing us back around full circle into a debate about how a set of armor would change a person so much that you don’t recognize the character anymore and that would be redundant. This is her armor now. No matter the reason, it’s there. The changed her armor, that doesn’t mean they changed her. Only time will tell us that.

[Xeranx]

trobbins777 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

 In Mass effect 2 bioware ditched the entire notion of equipping squadmates with light, medium and heavy armor types in favor of customizing specific armor/clothes/belt-bras for each specific squad mate.  Now in some cases it was more fashion than function, such as the original jack and miranda outfits, and in some cases it did, such as Jacob and Mordin.  However i don't believe you can make the case for Ashley's new armor isn't functional. Since there is actual armor plating, and parts of the outfit that look reinforced. 

Did bioware pretty up Ashley? maybe. However I can still see her wearing something like this into combat and still being the effective, determined, tough as nails soldier that she is.


I have to go now but hopefully we can continue this discussion later. 

I don't see where armor plating exists on that outfit.  If you're talking about the silver/gray areas I have to ask what about her chest then?  Why isn't one of the most vital parts of her body protected?  Maybe they moved her heart to her shoulder so she doesn't have to worry about taking a bullet to the chest.  I guess the v-neck makes sense then too.

It is if you look closely at these screenshots you can see she is wearing  what appears to be the equivalent of a space kevlar vest. 

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Actually since Ash is a spectre it's probably space dragon skin.

The images you linked and the image in Bluko's post show that it's the same exact suit.  Considering that, look at the image Bluko posted.  If there's some form of kevlar there it's only down I'd say 3/4 of her torso from sternum outward.  Where's the rest of the protection needed?  The fat in her breasts won't stop a slug and there's still the matter of that open V sliver (I guess you can call it).  There's no protection there. 

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...
Lol Okay, maybe diplomatic was the wrong word. I meant a light armor that wouldn’t stand out in a crowd. Something she could blend in, if she needed to and since she is a Spectre, she may have to do just that.

And like many many people have said, if that's her casual outfit, or a uniform she was wearing to Shepard's trial, that would be one thing.  But as Mr Mannlyman so rightly pointed out, she's going to be in the middle of a galactic war, facing the Enkindlers-know what kinds of threats.  Wearing armor that looks lighter than Kaidan, Garrus, or even Liara's.

Just because she was once comfortable in heavy armor doesn’t mean she wouldn’t wear anything else if it were presented to her. She said a lot of things--things that she wouldn’t do but ended up doing them. But discussing that would just swing us back around full circle into a debate about how a set of armor would change a person so much that you don’t recognize the character anymore and that would be redundant. This is her armor now. No matter the reason, it’s there. The changed her armor, that doesn’t mean they changed her. Only time will tell us that.

The armor doesn't change the character, the character changes to wear the armor.  I believe that if Ash doesn't complain a lot about not being able to wear "proper" armor, her character has changed.  And not for the better, imo

[Collider]

Iakus is my hero.

[KBomb]

[quote]Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Not to mention Shepard's dragging her into the middle of a galactic war. Against elite Cerberus troops, Reapers, husks, Geth, krogan, possibly rachni, possibly batarians, etc... it's like a clusterf*** of every manner of enemy you could possibly encounter. [/quote]


With all due respect, you don’t know when Ashley came aboard the Normandy, or what the circumstances were surrounding that. I don’t think anyone has a full understanding of that at this point. Shepard wasn’t in possession of the Normandy during the invasion, he was on Earth dealing with a trial. The Alliance had possession of the Normandy and Anderson calls them to come collect Shepard. Ashley was already on board, and we don't know why. She may have another set of armor later on, maybe not phoenix standard, but some other set and with a DLC maybe even phoenix standard. I don’t know. You don’t know. No one knows.

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And, presumably, she's going to wear her funnysuit through every mission? Her attire doesn't match the scope or seriousness of the conflict, sorry. Facing an entire Geth platoon with just her, Shepard and another (probably better-prepared) person? Nuh-uh.  [/quote]

 
Ashley, my Shepard and Kaidan stormed a geth infested Citadel. My Shepard, Thane and Jack did more than that. We did okay.

[/quote]

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And if she's actually still a hard-hitting soldier class, it will make even less sense. Even without all of this debate, who do you think the average gamer would associate with the Spectres: a heavily-armored man, or a light-armored woman wearing a form-fitting, v-neck suit that looks like it's made of 75% rubber?
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I was under the impression that Spectres were made up of all classes. Soldiers as well as adepts, infiltrators, etc. Some of those would be heavily armored, some would not be. I would think the average gamer could relate to any of those. Especially if we were privy to the armor stats and saw they were up to par with adequate protection.
Also, doesn’t look rubber to me at all. Looks like leather. Re-enforced in some places.

Modifié par KBomb, 11 juin 2011 - 05:02 .

[Collider]

She may have another set of armor later on, maybe not phoenix standard, but some other set and with a DLC maybe even phoenix standard. I don’t know. You don’t know. No one knows.

We don't know for certain.
But we have very reasonable cause to suspect that it's her armor. After all, the soldier next to her was wearing full armor.

[Seboist]

Collider wrote...

She may have another set of armor later on, maybe not phoenix standard, but some other set and with a DLC maybe even phoenix standard. I don’t know. You don’t know. No one knows.

We don't know for certain.
But we have very reasonable cause to suspect that it's her armor. After all, the soldier next to her was wearing full armor.

Yep, you can see armor plating on her shoulder.

[Iakus]

KBomb wrote...
I was under the impression that Spectres were made up of all classes. Soldiers as well as adepts, infiltrators, etc. Some of those would be heavily armored, some would not be. I would think the average gamer could relate to any of those. Especially if we were privy to the armor stats and saw they were up to par with adequate protection.
Also, doesn’t look rubber to me at all. Looks like leather. Re-enforced in some places.

The Spectres we've seen:

Nihlus, armored
Saren armored (and geth/Reaper upgraded)
Commander Shepard variable armor in ME1, looks like heavy armor in 2&3
Tela Vasir medium armor
Kaidan Alenko heavily armored
Ashley Williams Umm... she's armored compared to Star Trek security officers...

[vimpel]

YEAH. I guess i found it. She wears that armor because , she is spetcre....AND SHE STOLE THAT ARMOR FROM SOME ASARI!
(I know i'm mad)

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Seboist wrote...

Collider wrote...

She may have another set of armor later on, maybe not phoenix standard, but some other set and with a DLC maybe even phoenix standard. I don’t know. You don’t know. No one knows.

We don't know for certain.
But we have very reasonable cause to suspect that it's her armor. After all, the soldier next to her was wearing full armor.

Yep, you can see armor plating on her shoulder.

"Hey, I thought I asked for a full-armored combat suit?"
"Yes ma'am."
"What's with these tiny, circular plates that don't even cover my shoulders?"
"Stylish, aren't they?"
".... will they be enough to protect me when my shields drop?"
"Oh, if you enemy hits them, they'll stop a bullet."
"........... what about my stomach and my sternum?"
"What about them?"
*gestures* "Why are there plates up here and here, but not down here where I need them most?"
".... I ran out of platinum, okay? Slap down another million credits and I'll get some more."

[Iwantobelieve]

So finally, we will have to buy DLC outfit to make stuff look coherent ? Really Bioware ?


How about another DLC for Garrus visor ?

Modifié par Iwantobelieve, 11 juin 2011 - 05:20 .

[KBomb]

iakus wrote...

The Spectres we've seen:

Nihlus, armored
Saren armored (and geth/Reaper upgraded)
Commander Shepard variable armor in ME1, looks like heavy armor in 2&3
Tela Vasir medium armor
Kaidan Alenko heavily armored
Ashley Williams Umm... she's armored compared to Star Trek security officers...

Yes, but this is her armor. Someone just told me about a tweet they read that pretty much confirms this. So arguing the merits for or against is pretty much a moot point now. I like her armor. You don’t. A lot of people like her armor. A lot of people don’t.

Hopefully she’ll be the same Ashley that we love. I know that I won’t let such a minor detail give me any annoyance as long as she remains the same character and I hope no one else will either. Sometimes people focus so much on the forest, they miss the trees.

Sorry if you disagree, and I hope you can still enjoy the game for what it is. I am really happy that she is keeping this armor, but sorry you'll be upset about it, Iakus. :-/

EDIT:

Here is the tweet:

http://twitter.com/#!/truffle/status/79379026254376962

"I love Ashley's new look in ME3, gonna be upset if all of the ****ers and complainers persuade Bioware to change her look"

"We don't compromise artistic vision"

Modifié par KBomb, 11 juin 2011 - 05:37 .

[-Skorpious-]

KBomb wrote...

Here is the tweet:

http://twitter.com/#!/truffle/status/79379026254376962

"I love Ashley's new look in ME3, gonna be upset if all of the ****ers and complainers persuade Bioware to change her look"

"We don't compromise artistic vision"

Although she hasn't responed yet, this is my response -

twitter.com/#!/kcstrzesynski/status/79407240360103936

Pretty reasonable, no?

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 11 juin 2011 - 05:39 .

[KBomb]

-Skorpious- wrote...


Although she hasn't responed yet, this is my response -

twitter.com/#!/kcstrzesynski/status/79407240360103936

Pretty reasonable, no?

I actually see no harm in creating two sets of armor. I think it’s a splendid idea. Whether or not they will is a different story, but I see no problem with presenting casual armor and heavier armor for any teammate, tbh.

[GodWood]

Noob451 wrote...
I don't get the negative feedback? so she let her hair down, big whoop. female soldiers don't ALWAYS have their hair in buns you know....

They do when they're in combat

[DomerPyle]

KBomb wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...


Although she hasn't responed yet, this is my response -

twitter.com/#!/kcstrzesynski/status/79407240360103936

Pretty reasonable, no?

I actually see no harm in creating two sets of armor. I think it’s a splendid idea. Whether or not they will is a different story, but I see no problem with presenting casual armor and heavier armor for any teammate, tbh.

./agree. also, her whole character was built around being a tough alliance marine and such. they even used the same/similar models for ME1 & 2, so why change it now? if it ain't broke, don't fix it...

or at the very least, give us some options for those who think skintight armor is stupid.

Modifié par DomerPyle, 11 juin 2011 - 06:02 .

[Samip430]

Why are we jumping to conclusions? shepard doesn't usually run around fighting baddies in his casual clothes does he? yet he does in here, because it was a surprise attack. Is it not plausible that ashley wasn't just caught by surprise in her casual wear as well? it's not like they keep an extra set of armor for her on the normandy, maybe she was just picked up. We don't know enough yet to jump to conclusions. Personally, I don't care.

EDIT: apparently it has been confirmed that it's her armor, so I guess my argument is invalid. Oh well.

Modifié par Samip430, 11 juin 2011 - 06:04 .

[Nexus Arcade]

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