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[Xeranx]

Bluko wrote...

Once again, referencing the pic above.

Nohvarr wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

You keep referencing this pic as if it means something for your argument.  You don't see how the chest appears to be covered by an ablative material? 

New armor has an ablative covering over the chest that's just as flexible looking as the armor in the picture.

Again, I'm not seeing the ablative covering on the chest.  I don't know where you see it.  Note the tension in the fabric near her right arm.  The picture referenced by Marshall shows no sign of that at all.  This is apparently a relaxed stance and there's tension in what people are calling armor?  That's unsuitable protection if it is armor.  

Nohvarr wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
What people are calling Ashley's armor in ME3 looks nothing like the image posted.  Just about every single armor piece follows that design in ME so please stop acting like the above image in any way shores up your argument.

So Ashley is using custom made Armor in ME 3? Hmmm plausible, since she's a Spectre I imagine she'd have the resources to design something she specifically wanted for her new job and all it entails.

marshalleck wrote...
And *more* around the shoulders, hips, and knees.

*Included Marshall's response because I want to answer both, not that the responses happened that way.

Believe me, I'm not actively looking for something to complain about.  It's there, it's visible, and it goes against what I believe the character would utilize if that is indeed armor.  

I want to, again, draw attention to the tension in the fabric.  The surfaces around the shoulder, knees, and hips may be ablative surfaces, but they are still woefully subpar protection if that's armor.  They look like if they in any way were able to stop bullets from moving they would cause a likely richochet that my injure her more than if the round were allowed to pass through unhindered.  Her hip is also largely exposed.  If she takes a round head on that ablative surface does nothing.  The knees are also unprotected.  They may, (and I really have to stress this because the surface is on the front of the knee and doesn't seem to be protecting the joint) may stop a frontal attack, but the sides are left completely vulnerable.  Edited to add:There is still the issue of that sliver of an opening in the front that leaves her trachea open to take a hit.

Again, if this is armor, Ashley is woefully underprotected.  Practicality doesn't fly out the window.  Especially for a soldier, and especially for someone who values practicality and talks about being a realist as Ashley does.

Modifié par Xeranx, 11 juin 2011 - 05:08 .

[Oblivious]

diskoh wrote...

In my opinion the issue is at rest. Bioware will not compromise their artistic vision on this, straight from their own mouth. It's either time to look at the positive in the new armor, or to crawl into a hole and stew about it. But continuing to escalate the rhetoric as I've seen over the last few pages makes you look absolutely terrible. It's getting out of hand over such a small thing.

Really? Can you provide a link? Not meant in a bad way, just hopeful that Bioware has finally said something on the issue and we can lay this topic to rest^_^

[marshalleck]

Oblivious wrote...

diskoh wrote...

In my opinion the issue is at rest. Bioware will not compromise their artistic vision on this, straight from their own mouth. It's either time to look at the positive in the new armor, or to crawl into a hole and stew about it. But continuing to escalate the rhetoric as I've seen over the last few pages makes you look absolutely terrible. It's getting out of hand over such a small thing.

Really? Can you provide a link? Not meant in a bad way, just hopeful that Bioware has finally said something on the issue and we can lay this topic to rest^_^

Christina Norman tweeted it...in almost exactly the same words. 

[Nohvarr]

eldav wrote...

LOL as i have stated before BSN is the second most hatefull social site on the web, so dont expect good nmanners here. lol

If you're going to claim to be holding Bioware up to some kind of standard, then I and others have every right to hold people's posts to a higher standard. I didn't stand for it when another poster accused the Biodevs of encouraging floozy-like behaviour during teh run up to ME 2, and I'm not going to sit still for inslts during the run up to ME 3

character growth hhmmm......didnt know that included bigger breast,

Since in ME 1 all females used the same body model this isn't all that valid. In fact if anything we're finally seeing her actual size. Though i do find it interesting that the people who are most vocally opposed to this new look bring up her bust size a lot.

Curious

ethnicity change,

From what to what?

career change.

So she helps save the galaxy and isn't supposed to get a promotion?

[eldav]

I will not rest untill the day ME3 ships out.
Please Bio, you have this one change to please both fans of the mass effect saga.

[Oblivious]

Ah, don't have a twitter so that explains why I missed it

[eldav]

Dont inpose your morality into others, thanks.

[Nohvarr]

eldav wrote...

Dont inpose your morality into others, thanks.

But you're imposing your views on Bioware, and telling me what to do?

[Iakus]

marshalleck wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

New armor has an ablative covering over the chest that's just as flexible looking as the armor in the picture.

And *more* around the shoulders, hips, and knees.

And if we were talking about Liara, "old school"" Kaidan, Miranda, Kasumi, Thane, or other light armor wearing characters, that would be fine.

But this is Ashley.  Gung-ho marine.  The babe with a boomstick.  Soldier to the core.  Putting her in light armor is like putting Grunt in that armor.  Or Sten in leather armor.  Mandalore in a Jedi robe.  Could it happen?  Maybe, but there better be a frakking good reason for it.  "It looks good" is not enough.  What can possibly possess Bioware to redefine her so much?  Besides the fact that she's an attractive human female, that is.

That is why my challenge.  I want to know the why behind this decision.  Something that says there's more to this than Mass Appeal.

Bioware doesn't "compromise their artistic vision?"  Show me it hasn't happened already!

[Oblivious]

Nohvarr wrote...

eldav wrote...

Dont inpose your morality into others, thanks.

But you're imposing your views on Bioware, and telling me what to do?

Hypocricy is common in this thread, you should know that by now:P

[diskoh]

Oblivious wrote...

diskoh wrote...

In my opinion the issue is at rest. Bioware will not compromise their artistic vision on this, straight from their own mouth. It's either time to look at the positive in the new armor, or to crawl into a hole and stew about it. But continuing to escalate the rhetoric as I've seen over the last few pages makes you look absolutely terrible. It's getting out of hand over such a small thing.

Really? Can you provide a link? Not meant in a bad way, just hopeful that Bioware has finally said something on the issue and we can lay this topic to rest^_^

http://www.twitter.com/truffle

tfk777
tfk777
@truffle I love Ashley's new look in ME3, gonna be upset if all of the ****ers and complainers persuade Bioware to change her look

truffle
Christina Norman
@tfk777 we don't compromise artistic vision

kcstrzesynski
Kyle Strzesynski
@truffle
I meant that lore-wise Ash relies on armor more for protection than
Kaidan, who has barrier+shields. Why downgrade to light armor?

truffle
Christina Norman
@kcstrzesynski You are making some assumptions in your lore tweet that are not correct

truffle
Christina Norman
I am less impressed by
arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect
the artistic vision of our artists

As you can see, she has spent the last 2 days getting harrassed about this, and she has smacked down everyone who has been yelling at her about it. Ashley's look is set. Period. You're only making yourselves look like ****s by continuing.

Modifié par diskoh, 11 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[trobbins777]

eldav wrote...

I will not rest untill the day ME3 ships out.
Please Bio, you have this one change to please both fans of the mass effect saga.

That's a common misconception. Fans can never be pleased. 

Although they probably have a more armored alternate outfit and you guys are just making a huge deal over nothing.

[Oblivious]

Nice to see Christina taking a stand. A ton of respect for that

[Mister Mida]

Okay, I guess giving my opinion on the matter who don't do that much harm.

Her armour looks at least better than the catsuit Lawson was wearing. And for someone who was really not that into Miranda's outfit, I can accept this as a reasonable compromise between realism and coolness/hotness/going for horny men/whatever.
I may change my mind one way or the other when the game's out and I can actually see it properly.

EDIT: after reading iakus' post I have to agree that this look doesn't really suit Williams' character. It could be a more realistic evolution of Lawson's outfit.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 11 juin 2011 - 05:30 .

[Eski.Moe]

@diskoh -  I thought the point of a forum was to have discussions about things. People are free to voice their concerns, get off your high horse plz.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 11 juin 2011 - 05:27 .

[Iakus]

Xeranx wrote...

Bluko wrote...

Once again, referencing the pic above.

Nohvarr wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

You keep referencing this pic as if it means something for your argument.  You don't see how the chest appears to be covered by an ablative material? 

New armor has an ablative covering over the chest that's just as flexible looking as the armor in the picture.

Again, I'm not seeing the ablative covering on the chest.  I don't know where you see it.  Note the tension in the fabric near her right arm.  The picture referenced by Marshall shows no sign of that at all.  This is apparently a relaxed stance and there's tension in what people are calling armor?  That's unsuitable protection if it is armor.  

I also note that Kaidan's armor has a massive breastplate fastened in place and a metal collar upon which a sealable helmet can be attatched.

But Ash sure looked pretty, so it's all good.  Must be part of the artistic vision...:innocent:

[VelvetStraitjacket]

I'm so happy they aren't listening to all this whining. I hope all the females get high heels and big ****** with cleavages just to see how many asses will go up in flames over it

Modifié par PsychoHitsPeach, 11 juin 2011 - 05:30 .

[Xeranx]

diskoh wrote...

As you can see, she has spent the last 2 days getting harrassed about this, and she has smacked down everyone who has been yelling at her about it. Ashley's look is set. Period. You're only making yourselves look like ****s by continuing.

Not that this is in any way productive, but I'm glad you edited your last statement because I would have had a field day with any discussion of civility had it not been pointed out.

[eldav]

F you diskoh, we are calling them out for making a strong female character a "metal bikini bimbo"
Just as little children where calling out M.Night shyamalan for racism.

[diskoh]

Nyoka wrote...

iakus wrote...

But this is Ashley.  Gung-ho marine.  The babe with a boomstick.  Soldier to the core.  Putting her in light armor is like putting Grunt in that armor.  Or Sten in leather armor.  Mandalore in a Jedi robe.  Could it happen?  Maybe, but there better be a frakking good reason for it.  "It looks good" is not enough.  What can possibly possess Bioware to redefine her so much?

You don't get it. It's because of ART!

...yeah.

There's a reason you aren't a game designer.

[marshalleck]

iakus wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

New armor has an ablative covering over the chest that's just as flexible looking as the armor in the picture.

And *more* around the shoulders, hips, and knees.

And if we were talking about Liara, "old school"" Kaidan, Miranda, Kasumi, Thane, or other light armor wearing characters, that would be fine.

But this is Ashley.  Gung-ho marine.  The babe with a boomstick.  Soldier to the core.  Putting her in light armor is like putting Grunt in that armor.  Or Sten in leather armor.  Mandalore in a Jedi robe.  Could it happen?  Maybe, but there better be a frakking good reason for it.  "It looks good" is not enough.  What can possibly possess Bioware to redefine her so much?  Besides the fact that she's an attractive human female, that is.

That is why my challenge.  I want to know the why behind this decision.  Something that says there's more to this than Mass Appeal.

Bioware doesn't "compromise their artistic vision?"  Show me it hasn't happened already!

And you might be surprised to read that I agree with you. I expect some sort of explanation, although it's clear Ashley has changed a bit in the years since Shepard last worked with her...she'd have to, to be functioning as a Spectre. 

Whether that change is more akin to pre-LOTSB Liara than post, remains to be seen. Maybe they'll spoil it, but I'm not holding my breath. 

That doesn't change my opinion of the absurd "cleavage and high heels" hyperbole however. She's not showing cleavage and it's not obvious to me from blurry, distorted, blown-up images of her foot that she's wearing high-heels. Repeating these vacuous statements is inviting the developers to ignore you*, since neither premise seems to be true. 

* in the general sense, not you specifically iakus

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 juin 2011 - 05:37 .

[diskoh]

eldav wrote...

F you diskoh, we are calling them out for making a strong female character a "metal bikini bimbo"
Just as little children where calling out M.Night shyamalan for racism.

And you're making yourself look incredibley ignorant in the process to the point where nobody is going to take you seriously, especially not the devs. Just trying to help. I'll back off and let you self destruct. The vitriol will continue to escalate until this thread is locked.

[Iakus]

trobbins777 wrote...

That's a common misconception. Fans can never be pleased. 

Although they probably have a more armored alternate outfit and you guys are just making a huge deal over nothing.

When DA2 first demoed, it was pointed out (loudly) that Aveline, a warrior, was in just a tunic and trousers.  How is she supposed to go toe-to-toe with enemies in that getup?  The developers quickly pointed out that she was still a refugee in that demo, that she would soon get armor proper for her role.  Indeed she did.

So where's the reassurance here?  Who is saying "Squadmates will have several types of armors to choose from"?  Or "Certain mods will give characters a more armored look"  Or even "We'll have free Day One DLC to give Ash heavier armor"  All we have is a virtual certainty that, no, Ash is not Aveline and caught unawares.