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[Noob451]

GodWood wrote...

Noob451 wrote...
I don't get the negative feedback? so she let her hair down, big whoop. female soldiers don't ALWAYS have their hair in buns you know....

They do when they're in combat

true, but what if there wasn't time?

Ashley: "oh wait everyone stop shooting for a sec, let me tie my hair up and run and grab some armor."
Shepard: "we don't have time for that Ash!"
Ashley: "****, please."


EDIT: aww David Gaider's quote is censored. 

Modifié par Noob451, 11 juin 2011 - 05:38 .

[eldav]

hehe it is you that have taked a huge emotional step by comming here and bashing us, of course you get flamed. 1d10t

[Iakus]

marshalleck wrote...

And you might be surprised to read that I agree with you. I expect some sort of explanation, although it's clear Ashley has changed a bit in the years since Shepard last worked with her...she'd have to, to be functioning as a Spectre. 

Whether that change is more akin to pre-LOTSB Liara than post, remains to be seen. Maybe they'll spoil it, but I'm not holding my breath. 

That doesn't change my opinion of the absurd "cleavage and high heels" hyperbole however. She's not showing cleavage and it's not obvious to me from blurry, distorted, blown-up images of her foot that she's wearing high-heels. Repeating these vacuous statements is an inviting the developers to ignore you, since neither premise seems to be true. 

I agree with the cleavage thing.  That accusation is over the top.  he V-neck on the armor is alarmingly bad all by itself though (Note Kaidan's goes all the way to the neck)
I'm doing a wait and see on the heels.  None of the scenes really show enough to judge

But light armor.  On Ash.  Sorry, I need a reason before I'll think that's anything but a colossal blunder.  I hope she got dinner before they put her in those thigh-highs...

[sissysouthpaw]

iakus wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

New armor has an ablative covering over the chest that's just as flexible looking as the armor in the picture.

And *more* around the shoulders, hips, and knees.

And if we were talking about Liara, "old school"" Kaidan, Miranda, Kasumi, Thane, or other light armor wearing characters, that would be fine.

But this is Ashley.  Gung-ho marine.  The babe with a boomstick.  Soldier to the core.  Putting her in light armor is like putting Grunt in that armor.  Or Sten in leather armor.  Mandalore in a Jedi robe.  Could it happen?  Maybe, but there better be a frakking good reason for it.  "It looks good" is not enough.  What can possibly possess Bioware to redefine her so much?  Besides the fact that she's an attractive human female, that is.

That is why my challenge.  I want to know the why behind this decision.  Something that says there's more to this than Mass Appeal.

Bioware doesn't "compromise their artistic vision?"  Show me it hasn't happened already!

I think a standing ovation is in order. *clap clap*

[trobbins777]

iakus wrote...


I also note that Kaidan's armor has a massive breastplate fastened in place and a metal collar upon which a sealable helmet can be attatched.

But Ash sure looked pretty, so it's all good.  Must be part of the artistic vision...:innocent:

I love how everyone is using the earliest screenshot we got of ash and not the model from E3. Which will most likely be updated further before release.:innocent:

http://fc00.devianta...yan-d3i832v.png

Modifié par trobbins777, 11 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Nyoka wrote...

Apparently, people who are exposed to enemy fire the most are the ones who must wear lighter armor. Because if you wear light armor, you become a superhero who can dodge bullets.

Those in support roles who fight at the rearguard and can cast biotic barriers upon themselves on the other hand should wear heavy armor because the bullets they won't receive anyway would be even less likely to do damage.

Now it all makes sense! Comic superheroes! In space!


... or more like topsy-turvy-land.

[sissysouthpaw]

trobbins777 wrote...

iakus wrote...


I also note that Kaidan's armor has a massive breastplate fastened in place and a metal collar upon which a sealable helmet can be attatched.

But Ash sure looked pretty, so it's all good.  Must be part of the artistic vision...:innocent:

I love how everyone is using the earliest screenshot we got of ash and not the model from E3. Which will most likely be updated further before release.:innocent:

http://fc00.devianta...yan-d3i832v.png

No. Because then the artistic vision would be compromised and stuff.

[TheAzureVanguard]

Don't get me wrong....I HATE that racist rhymes with witch.....but she looks HAWT in ME3 based on that avatar pic....

[Oblivious]

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

You all seem to be confused about why this and why that.
Let me explain...
The reason Ashley is wearing tight clothing and almost nothing that can actualy protect her person in battle, is because Bioware is trying to make her look as sexy as possible, so they can make a couple more 100 dollars off of the video game.
Simple as that you guys.
What do you think?

I'm starting to think that you're not even taking a serious stance on this anymore and are now posting just to anger one side or the other

[diskoh]

As Christina Norman explained, you guys are mistaken in your ideas about the lore of armor/shields. Shields are the primary battlefield protection. With faster than light projectiles, ceramic plating isn't going to hold up very much. I've heard "nuh uh!" about a million times, but that doesn't change the fact.

[Nohvarr]

Xeranx wrote...

Bluko wrote...

*snip*

Once again, referencing the pic above.

Nohvarr wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

You keep referencing this pic as if it means something for your argument.  You don't see how the chest appears to be covered by an ablative material? 

New armor has an ablative covering over the chest that's just as flexible looking as the armor in the picture.

Again, I'm not seeing the ablative covering on the chest.  I don't know where you see it.  



Notice that the blue portion rises a bit away from the black, as if it's sitting atop, similar to the ablative armor Shepard is also wearing in that shot, which is why I included it.

Note the tension in the fabric near her right arm.  The picture referenced by Marshall shows no sign of that at all.  This is apparently a relaxed stance and there's tension in what people are calling armor?  That's unsuitable protection if it is armor. 

The image you used is also differnt from the armor seen in the gameplay vid. For example it dosen't have the Spectre symbol on the chest, and the undersuit is blue in your shot not black like it is in the gameplay vid. The one your are referncing is obviously an earlier work up, and the more recent suit a modification on what was originally created



The top circle shows the armor around ashley's shoulders which is a different color and harder than what was seen in the picture you referenced. The bottom circles shows that the material of her boots seems to be stretched up over some kind of black leg armor.

Xeranx wrote...
 The knees are also unprotected.  They may, (and I really have to stress this because the surface is on the front of the knee and doesn't seem to be protecting the joint) may stop a frontal attack, but the sides are left completely vulnerable.  

Not so much, that looks like armor encasing her leg from the thigh down at least


And her neck is better protected than the light armor of ME 1. That stuff ended at about the collar bone. Ash's new armor goes up her neck and can be closed.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 11 juin 2011 - 05:51 .

[Noob451]

diskoh wrote...

As Christina Norman explained, you guys are mistaken in your ideas about the lore of armor/shields. Shields are the primary battlefield protection. With faster than light projectiles, ceramic plating isn't going to hold up very much. I've heard "nuh uh!" about a million times, but that doesn't change the fact.

aggreed

[Xeranx]

trobbins777 wrote...

I love how everyone is using the earliest screenshot we got of ash and not the model from E3. Which will most likely be updated further before release.:innocent:

http://fc00.devianta...yan-d3i832v.png

Please illustrate the difference between the early shot and the model in ME3.  

People aren't pulling this stuff out of nowhere.  Iakus is probably one of the most reasonable people on the board, but people think he's overreacting.  This is not because we're on the same side of the argument though we seem to agree on many things around here, but his history is enough to back up the idea that he's not in it for the lulz.

Edit: Nohvarr, one of the pics you posted isn't showing up.  I tried opening it in a new tab, but it doesn't give me anything.  Please repost it or edit the url so I can see it.  Thanks.

Modifié par Xeranx, 11 juin 2011 - 05:56 .

[Iakus]

Primary, but not only. And there are attacks where shields do nothing.

[eldav]

The fact is this, Bio dosent respect well established rules set in ME1, ergo it is in our hands that the basic rules are followed.
and KaidanWilliamsShepard, you are correct.

[sissysouthpaw]

diskoh wrote...

As Christina Norman explained, you guys are mistaken in your ideas about the lore of armor/shields. Shields are the primary battlefield protection. With faster than light projectiles, ceramic plating isn't going to hold up very much. I've heard "nuh uh!" about a million times, but that doesn't change the fact.

But why are the men still in heavy armor then, if it serves no purpose?

[sissysouthpaw]

Nyoka wrote...

trobbins777 wrote...

I love how everyone is using the earliest screenshot we got of ash and not the model from E3. Which will most likely be updated further before release.:innocent:

http://fc00.devianta...yan-d3i832v.png

Curved spine to enhance chest and butt. Niccccce. I totally think that is exactly how soldiers are taught to fire their assault rifles at the military academy. I see male soldiers doing that all the time.

I love you.

Modifié par Liisi, 11 juin 2011 - 05:54 .

[Iakus]

Xeranx wrote...

Please illustrate the difference between the early shot and the model in ME3.  

People aren't pulling this stuff out of nowhere.  Iakus is probably one of the most reasonable people on the board, but people think he's overreacting.  This is not because we're on the same side of the argument though we seem to agree on many things around here, but his history is enough to back up the idea that he's not in it for the lulz.

Believe me, Ash is one of my favorite character in the entire ME universe.  I'd like nothing more than to bask in the knowledge that she's back a  a permanent squadmate in ME3.  But they've reworked Ash and Kaidan's appearance  far more than any other former squaddie.  This has me extremely worried that they compromised the characters to draw more people.  And given the sheer number of "hurhurhur, I'd du her nao" posts I've seen, Worry turns to fear, and fear leads to anger...