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[Mr. MannlyMan]

KBomb wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Curved spine to enhance chest and butt. Niccccce. I totally think that is exactly how soldiers are taught to fire their assault rifles at the military academy. I see male soldiers doing that all the time.

I am just recalling from memory, but isn’t that pose taken from when she began to run up to help Shepard in? You can’t take a screen that was taken mid-pose and draw up a conclusion that she was posing for Playboy instead of what she was actually doing. Unless you’re grasping at straws to help build an argument that now she must be a cat-woman, stripper type who puts on light armor and now forgets how to use an assault rifle because stereotypes are a hoot!--then by all means.

This.

I really dislike Ash's new appearance, but you can tell that the pose she takes is the same one as Shep takes when he's watching Anderson's back at the radio console (near the end of the Earth demo). It's just a strange animation; nothing to get worked up about there.

I do think that this whole debate is deteriorating fairly quickly. People are starting to look very hard for things that they might deem as even mildly "sexualizing the character," but the only thing that really matters in this thread is Ash's new look.

Let's stick to that, please.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 11 juin 2011 - 06:31 .

[Nohvarr]

iakus wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

eldav wrote...

..and what ? we learned that women looks hotter in skimpy outfits ?

That body armor, of the type seen in ME 1, is not as effective as first thought.

Or that developers would rather forget ME 1 ever happened.

Which is why Ashley, Kaiden, Tali, and Garrus are not on your....oh wait....

Well that's why they got rid of the Avenger Assault Rifle from.....oh wait...

Well weapon customization has.....oh wait...

Ah Shepard is no longer working with the Alliance so....Oh wait...

The Rachni have nothing to....oh wait....

Hmmm I think that your statement might be a tad flawed.

[Sylvianus]

diskoh wrote...

Oblivious wrote...

diskoh wrote...

In my opinion the issue is at rest. Bioware will not compromise their artistic vision on this, straight from their own mouth. It's either time to look at the positive in the new armor, or to crawl into a hole and stew about it. But continuing to escalate the rhetoric as I've seen over the last few pages makes you look absolutely terrible. It's getting out of hand over such a small thing.

Really? Can you provide a link? Not meant in a bad way, just hopeful that Bioware has finally said something on the issue and we can lay this topic to rest^_^

http://www.twitter.com/truffle

tfk777
tfk777
@truffle I love Ashley's new look in ME3, gonna be upset if all of the ****ers and complainers persuade Bioware to change her look

truffle
Christina Norman
@tfk777 we don't compromise artistic vision

kcstrzesynski
Kyle Strzesynski
@truffle
I meant that lore-wise Ash relies on armor more for protection than
Kaidan, who has barrier+shields. Why downgrade to light armor?

truffle
Christina Norman
@kcstrzesynski You are making some assumptions in your lore tweet that are not correct

truffle
Christina Norman
I am less impressed by
arguments about how they must where this, or must where that, I respect
the artistic vision of our artists

As you can see, she has spent the last 2 days getting harrassed about this, and she has smacked down everyone who has been yelling at her about it. Ashley's look is set. Period. You're only making yourselves look like ****s by continuing.

Christina ! :wub:

[Iakus]

marshalleck wrote...

TheAzureVanguard wrote...
She didn't look that great in ME1 (at least to me) but now I can honestly say she's ridiculously hot.  To the pont where I'd go straight for her if I could haha....

You have to realize this reaction to her new look is exactly what has people grating their teeth, and reinforces their belief that Ashley has changed from a gung-ho, no frills, srs bizness marine to a feisty, sexed-up, space babe.

If you're trying to get people to calm down and keep an open mind about Ashley's new look, saying things like this is the worst way to do it. You're going to accomplish the opposite.

Iakus approves +5

[Wolf]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Curved spine to enhance chest and butt. Niccccce. I totally think that is exactly how soldiers are taught to fire their assault rifles at the military academy. I see male soldiers doing that all the time.

I am just recalling from memory, but isn’t that pose taken from when she began to run up to help Shepard in? You can’t take a screen that was taken mid-pose and draw up a conclusion that she was posing for Playboy instead of what she was actually doing. Unless you’re grasping at straws to help build an argument that now she must be a cat-woman, stripper type who puts on light armor and now forgets how to use an assault rifle because stereotypes are a hoot!--then by all means.

This.

I really dislike Ash's new appearance, but you can tell that the pose she takes is the same one as Shep takes when he's watching Anderson's back at the radio console (near the end of the Earth demo). It's just a strange animation; nothing to get worked up about there.

I do think that this whole debate is deteriorating fairly quickly. People are starting to look very hard for things that they might deem as even mildly "sexualizing the character," but the only thing that really matters in this thread is Ash's new look.

Let's stick to that, please.

Overall I think Ash's new look gives her more personality than before.
She felt a bit bland (look-wise anyway) compared to ME1/2 but as long as she's still capable of handling a weapon and wearing armor I'm cool with it.<3

[mopotter]

True Zarken wrote...

You're kidding me this is still going?

I am with Christina Norman on this one. If they change he look just because a few haters are upset then I am going to be pissed.

I love her new look, Ash was my first romance (like many others on here) and she's tied for first for me when it comes to favourite romance (not including the Horizon incident here =P).

Please Bioware have integrity and not give into the haters! Please keep it for the people who like her look but don't post! Please!

What part of our concern don't you get?  I like the way Ash looks.  I want Kate Shepard to have an outfit available that looks as good.  To wear around the Normandy or to go clubing in, or to go shopping in.  Not to fight in.  

She is also my male Shepards romance, and no one else can take her place.  He loves her becuase she is smart, capable, looks good in her fatigues, he wants her to fight along side him in the same kind of armor he wears, not in something that looks like hot pants and thigh high boots a go go dancer would wear.  

They can easily take care of this by giving us more armor choices.  You can have her fight in sexy armor and I'll have her fight in sensible armor. Has nothing to do with "integrity and hate".  It has to do with playing the game as a fantasy sexy soldier or as a practical GI Jane.  

[TheAzureVanguard]

Lol I just gained NEWFOUND RESPECT for Christina Norman....

And there's NOTHING that says a woman cannot be a bad**** and sexy at the SAME TIME!

For Christs sakes people get over yourselves...there I'm done.

[Iakus]

Nohvarr wrote...

Which is why Ashley, Kaiden, Tali, and Garrus are not on your....oh wait....

Well that's why they got rid of the Avenger Assault Rifle from.....oh wait...

Well weapon customization has.....oh wait...

Ah Shepard is no longer working with the Alliance so....Oh wait...

The Rachni have nothing to....oh wait....

Hmmm I think that your statement might be a tad flawed.

Part of this whole debate is "Is Ash still Ash?  Is Kaidan still Kaidan?"

Modding was removed.  And brought back when people complained (guess that wasn't part of the artistic vision)

Who does Shepard work for in ME 3 anyway?  If it is the Alliance, I'm betting another thread at least as long will form complaining about that.

Rachni, well, like I said, they'd only like to pretend ME 1 never happened.  Some things you just can't wriggle out of 

[A.N.A.N]

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I've been mulling over this for a while now, and I come to the conclusion that Ashley is wearing a skirt. I think the above images demonstrate this pretty well. I not sure how this effects the 'it's civvies' vs. 'only costume' debate but I found it interesting and hadn't seen it mentioned.

[marshalleck]

Honestly, I am more concerned about what the Council said to her to convince her to become a Spectre, than I am concerned about her choice in armor. Going with light armor I can easily believe; maybe she wants more mobility, less weight, whatever. She's an experience soldier, she should know what sort of armor to wear and when to wear it.

Becoming a Spectre though? That's...a big development for her. Like, huge.

[KBomb]

marshalleck wrote...

 You have to realize this reaction to her new look is exactly what has people grating their teeth, and reinforces their belief that Ashley has changed from a gung-ho, no frills, srs bizness marine to a feisty, sexed-up, space babe.

If you're trying to get people to calm down and keep an open mind about Ashley's new look, saying things like this is the worst way to do it. You're going to accomplish the opposite.

^ This, so much.

[diskoh]

Liisi wrote...

diskoh wrote...

As Christina Norman explained, you guys are mistaken in your ideas about the lore of armor/shields. Shields are the primary battlefield protection. With faster than light projectiles, ceramic plating isn't going to hold up very much. I've heard "nuh uh!" about a million times, but that doesn't change the fact.

But why are the men still in heavy armor then, if it serves no purpose?

[Mr. MannlyMan]

TheAzureVanguard wrote...

I mean come on folks its just a GAME. LOL. The amount of hysteria and panic that you guys are devoting to a characters outfit would make me cry tears of shame for the human race if it weren't so hilarious to begin with. She didn't look that great in ME1 (at least to me) but now I can honestly say she's ridiculously hot.  To the pont where I'd go straight for her if I could haha....

Heh...

I know that many people will look at her new design and go, "Well, it's just a videogame, and she's sexy now, so I might just romance her, lolol!" but, tbh, most of the people b****ing about it couldn't care less whether or not she looks hot in combat.

Would we like this as casual wear? YES; especially when the convos on the Normandy will probably focus in on the character. This suit will pay dividends in those cases; in combat, though? It just looks ridiculous.

I was really hoping that we'd actually get different casual and combat outfits for the squadmates this time around, but the devs' responses don't really support that hope. Is Shepard the only one who's allowed to step out of his armor between missions?

[eldav]

Bioware kind of made an promise to unite the fans of ME, as previously stated people would buy ME3 no matter how Ashley looked, that sayd was it wise to upset with this new trivious outfitt ?
We are mad at Bioware who let us down once again, and we are calling them out to right this wrong.
Concluson: let us not fight each other, ME2 fans wouldnt care how Ashley looked, but us the ME1 fans would, so why is the question, and that question is directed to Bioware.

[Sylvianus]

iakus wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

TheAzureVanguard wrote...
She didn't look that great in ME1 (at least to me) but now I can honestly say she's ridiculously hot.  To the pont where I'd go straight for her if I could haha....

You have to realize this reaction to her new look is exactly what has people grating their teeth, and reinforces their belief that Ashley has changed from a gung-ho, no frills, srs bizness marine to a feisty, sexed-up, space babe.

If you're trying to get people to calm down and keep an open mind about Ashley's new look, saying things like this is the worst way to do it. You're going to accomplish the opposite.

Iakus approves +5

Nobody will change his mind, whatever the other says. Everyone is focused on his own thoughts, not at all open to what the other said. So no matter what he says, it will not change anything.

More than eight subjects on Ashley and still the same kind of sterile discussion. At least this one looks more intelligent and relevant.

Myself, I want an armor for Ashley. But that doesn't mean I want to spit on the work of Bioware. I've never understood this strategy. This is the best way not to be listened to. Bioware will not let the artistic side. Instead of requiring to withdraw the outfit, rather calmly ask at least one armor.

I know it's already been done, but now we must wait. scream today, nine months before leaving the game, is not very useful. You speculate on a fear for the moment, nothing concrete.

In case you didn't understand, Bioware has heard your concerns, so it is no longer bother to scream. It is not sure it will improve your position.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 juin 2011 - 06:45 .

[Nohvarr]

Part of this whole debate is "Is Ash still Ash?  Is Kaidan still Kaidan?"

Most likely yes, but you'll have to wait for further information

Modding was removed.  And brought back when people complained (guess that wasn't part of the artistic vision)

It was changed, to be researchable upgrades, that didn't work so they altered it back. Besides artistic vision seems to have more to do with visual design than mechanics, at least when Mrs. Norman used the phrase.

Who does Shepard work for in ME 3 anyway?  If it is the Alliance, I'm betting another thread at least as long will form complaining about that.

Already formed, as some people want to keep working for Cerberus

I've been mulling over this for a while now, and I come to the conclusion that Ashley is wearing a skirt. I think the above images demonstrate this pretty well. I not sure how this effects the 'it's civvies' vs. 'only costume' debate but I found it interesting and hadn't seen it mentioned.

The suits in multiple pieces, and there's some kind of holster lights on the back so I doubt that is a skirt.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 11 juin 2011 - 06:49 .

[TheAzureVanguard]

If people's minds are gonna explode because Ashley looks good and I dared to say it then so be it. Its really not my concern nor do I care.

Its not a big detail. Like I said people will need to come to grips with reality here. She looks freaking hot and she's Ashley. So she'll probably still massacre the enemy like there's no tomorrow.

I see no problem with her looking damn sexy while killing the Reapers. And furthermore as others have pointed out multiple times Bioware reps have said that its not the armor that deflects bullets etc....

And the armor in Mass Effect 1 looked pretty much made out of rubber at certain points.

Again this is a non issue. But continue to freak out over it and yell at Christina. As lead designer she's hearing all your concerns but at the end of the day she's not going to do a single thing to change them....NOR should she have to. Its their game. Their vision.

I'm more concerned with making sure that ME3 has a balanced approach between being a shooter and an RPG. That and that my favorite characters are able to get some happiness and closure.

[diskoh]

eldav wrote...

Bioware kind of made an promise to unite the fans of ME, as previously stated people would buy ME3 no matter how Ashley looked, that sayd was it wise to upset with this new trivious outfitt ?
We are mad at Bioware who let us down once again, and we are calling them out to right this wrong.
Concluson: let us not fight each other, ME2 fans wouldnt care how Ashley looked, but us the ME1 fans would, so why is the question, and that question is directed to Bioware.

You overestimate how many people are upset by this. This forum is the only place I've ever heard of anyone being upset about it, and this forum whines about everything. Everyone else I've heard from on other forums and in person love it.

Modifié par diskoh, 11 juin 2011 - 06:45 .

[Massadonious1]

Bluko wrote...
So I should instead make the assumption that everything will be fine?

Until you see otherwise, yes. I don't think it's a gigantic leap of faith to wait for more than cursory information.

Also I think we have plenty of information to indicate this will be Ashley's new look. We saw an early concept of her in Game Informer wearing the outfit. We've seen her in-game wearing the same outfit.

You've seen her for 5 seconds in game wearing that outfit. You have NO idea that is what she's going to wear into space/vaccum and other areas of the game that is not on Earth and in situations where she looked like she had hardly any time to change into anything than what she had on. But, I'm thinking now they should of had her play simon says with an armor locker to change into an equally form fitting armor from ME1 to appease people who apparently think "skin tight" is alright just as long as it doesn't look like something Miranda would wear.

I don't care about Game Informer either because it's still limited and very early information regardless. They could show off Kaidan's or anyone elses "casual" outfit or introductory look a couple of months from now or whenever squadmates start getting revealed so it honestly doesn't prove much.

cause it honestly barely changed at all.

Yes, it really did.

Look if you think Ashley looks sexier now and don't really care what she's wearing, that's fine. But don't begrudge those of who think it's tacky because of that. 

I have done nor thought any of that of that so I would kindly ask you to not stick words in my mouth. What I have aruged with people about for close to 30 pages now is the same thing others have said but is apparently ignored every damn time because all the irrational anger apparenty stifles reading comprehension is the simple fact that we honestly don't know if this is anything more than just a casual/dress outfit that she wore to Shepard's trial, or even if it has the ability to function in space or a vaccum which was apparently a big deal of ANY article of clothing in ME2 because of all those silly rebreathers. That's it.

If we find out that this is actually what she is going to wear the entire game and if her personality is radically changed because of it, then come look me up and we can hopefully have a rational conversation about it, but, again, based on limited information, I don't see her becoming BFFs with Miranda and talking about the firmness of their breasts and what hair conditioner each uses anytime soon.

But, I'm sure this is going to get ignored or be interpreted as another "begruding" attack, so I'm not sure why I bothered to come back in the first place. Feel free to make snide remarks about me being all about "teh boobiez" and how terrible of a person I am for "liking" her new look when I have made no such opinion known because I'm not sure if I can or how many times I can repeat my actual thoughts.

[mopotter]

RPGamer13 wrote...

I got a point:

Casey Hudson said in one of the E3 videos on Bioware Pulse that you will meet characters as they were when the trial started.

It could possibly be that for that part of the game, Ashely wears the outfit because of a mission she just got done with or possibly for the trial, like someone said before in this thread.

This would make sense and I hope this is what they are doing.  I'd like to see all of them in casual wear when they visit an area not seen as a specific mission, and then having something unexpected happen, making them use a small weapon until they can take heavier ones from someone who no longer needs it.

We don't know how her outift might possibly change afterwards. It could also be that she changes how she wears it based on whether she's going casual/needs to seduce or get someone's attention for one reason or another or even if she's getting ready for battle.

 Personally I hope they don't plan on using her to -seduce the enemy to distract them - unless she gets to complain about it.

I know no one wants to hear it, but in a world with shield technology I fail to see the purpose for "proper battle attire".  

I just checked Christina Norman's tweet wall, and she says that shield technology is the primary defense in the world of Mass Effect.

 

In this case, no one should be in "heavy battle attire" male or female.  If it's not necessary because the shield technology is so much improved, Shepard, Kaidan, and any of the other human soliders, should not have to wear it.  

edit quote problem.

Modifié par mopotter, 11 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Overall I think Ash's new look gives her more personality than before.
She felt a bit bland (look-wise anyway) compared to ME1/2 but as long as she's still capable of handling a weapon and wearing armor I'm cool with it.<3

You can give a character's appearance more personality without resorting to gender stereotypes.

[diskoh]

TheAzureVanguard wrote...

But continue to freak out over it and yell at Christina. As lead designer she's hearing all your concerns but at the end of the day she's not going to do a single thing to change them....NOR should she have to. Its their game. Their vision.

It should be added that she is lead gameplay designer, not character/costume/artistic designer. She has no bearing on character design and the people harrassing her over it are terrible for doing such. The amount of vitriole and hate she's getting from these "fans" is ridiculous.

[TheAzureVanguard]

LOL...I have a 360 slim and for the record I don't like ME being on the playstation 3 but thats a whole nother argument.

Suffice to say this. I bought Mass Effect 1 on DAY 1. Collectors Edition.

I bought Mass Effect 2 CE at the midnight opening.

I love this universe and I love the characters within. As a fan of both games I see no problem with how Ashley Williams looks in ME3.

As another person said screaming and crying like a banshee more than half a year before the game comes out will not amount to anything. If anything it will make Bioware more determined to stick their decisions.

I'd worry more about

1) Plot Conclusion
2) Game bugs
3) Balance of game genres (RPB elements?)

But no this thread will probably go on day and night for the next 1,000 haha.

[Eski.Moe]

@AzureVanguard - You keep saying that you don't care, that it's not your concern and that you're done and yet you keep posting?
Understand that people feel differently to you. People who actually cared about Ash from the get go and don't have the sentiment of "She so sexy, I would pounce on her now!"

It's isn't a vital issue but the fact is, people can and should be allowed to voice their opinions if they aren't too pleased. As you can see ITT.

[Sylvianus]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

Overall I think Ash's new look gives her more personality than before.
She felt a bit bland (look-wise anyway) compared to ME1/2 but as long as she's still capable of handling a weapon and wearing armor I'm cool with it.<3

You can give a character's appearance more personality without resorting to gender stereotypes.

Stereostype for who ? You and some in this thread I think. Your point of view isn't universal.